Abortion restrictions become NC law after veto override


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Submitted: Thu, 07/28/2011 - 6:12pm
Updated: Fri, 07/29/2011 - 12:47pm
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RALEIGH, NC (AP) — Women seeking abortions in North Carolina will be required to wait 24 hours and receive state-mandated counseling and an ultrasound before a procedure.

The Republican-led Legislature completed its override Thursday of a measure vetoed by Democratic Gov. Beverly Perdue.

The Senate canceled the veto thanks in part to a Republican senator who was absent for the final vote. Sen. Stan Bingham of Davidson County had voted against the abortion restriction last month. His absence meant bill supporters got the votes necessary for the override.

The House agreed to the override earlier this week.

Perdue vetoed the bill because she said it obstructs needlessly the patient-doctor relationship.

Social conservatives praised the bill, which also requires a woman consider an offer to see the shape of the fetus and hear a heartbeat.

(Copyright 2011 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

60 Comments

  • J Gaston says:

    Men should be required to wait 24 hours and receive state-mandated counseling before taking Viagra.

  • Guest2020 says:

    Please point to the place in the Constitution that says that there is a separation of church and state.

  • Patrick says:

    The courts have held again and again that a separation of church and state is implicit in first amendment of the US Constitution. Somehow I think they understand the document better than you do. Their rulings go back well into the 19th century and carefully examine the intent of the drafters of the first amendment guarantee of religious liberty, Jefferson and Madison.

  • Sherry says:

    Finally! Something positive has been passed in N.C. Now, let’s stop paying for them as well! Maybe, just maybe couples will think about taking more precaution and being more responsible for their actions and not run for the quick fix when the UH-OH strikes.

  • Das Weibstück says:

    The fetal stage of a human begins 11 weeks after fertilization. Before that its a zygote then an embryo. So having it aborted before 11 weeks isn’t “killing” a FETUS at all.

  • Melissa T says:

    i think women should keep there legs closed and they wouldnt have any of this to worry about! use protection! i am against abortion i think if a women was to get pregnant on the pill or with other forms of protection the child is ment to be on here! no child is a unwanted! God loves all of them and all have a place! there have been MANY successful people in the world who was given up for adoption, and in foster homes! and yeah we do have welfare to help the unprepared mothers, and fathers. but i would rather it go to an unprepared mother then to a alcoholic or addict who has kids just to be able to not work…. and take advantage of the system! thats a shame not the women who didnt mean to get pregnant! but i support the 24hr and the ultrasound!

    SOrry if you disagree but this is just my opinion! and i do Believe in God and i am sorry for the ones who thing were “religious clowns” i just pray one day you see other wise and find God! :)

  • Guestgingergrant says:

    If the Republicans want to intrude into womens’ vaginas, they should also encourage men to get vasectomies when they get FREE Viagra from government health insurance. How else can you further eliminate the need for abortions? And, I wonder who is paying for the ultrasounds? The taxpayers, no doubt!

  • GuestLee says:

    It’s my belief that life begins at inception. There are different stages of life, but it’s still a developing human being. You may not agree with me, but that’s your right.

  • Guest2020 says:

    ABSOLUTELY AGREE!!!!!!

  • Guest2020 says:

    A lot of you talk about the woman’s rights and I know that you place dehumanizing terms such as zygote and fetus on unborn babies, but they are babies. Where are their rights? And I know that this is an old saying, but just remember that your mother chose life.

  • Sherry says:

    It is crazy how everyone wants this to be a republican/democrat issue. To most of us it is a moral issue. Take a look around at todays society. You argue that it is cheaper to abort than for the government to help raise the child. What ever happened to being responsible for your actions. You argue that it is a womans body and she should chose… well then why isn’t prostitution legal??? Why isn’t being a drug addict legal? It is HER body and she should be able to do as she wishes with it.

    Come on people! Where are your morals? That is right, I forgot you have none. Maybe that is why your children are out running the streets, probably getting knocked up right about now. Most likely you or someone close to you has had an abortion and that is why you feel as you do. You make it sound as if only low income poverished people have abortions! I would think it more is more likely the middle to upper class. They are usually the ones who would abort their inconvenience.

    Anyone who doesn’t realize that a beating heart is an alive creature needs some help. Everybody really needs to quit looking at this a monetary problem (which it is) and remember good values. You don’t want children… great, be abstinant or at least protect yourselves!!!

  • Charles Walters says:

    What gives the government or religious fools the right to dictate morals or what a woman can do with her own body? It seems you need to look at your own house, before you tell others how to run theirs. Yes I think education and the economy takes the lead over abortion. So you tell your preachers to get out of government because the seperation of church and state is there for a reason. IT IS NONE OF YOUR DA** Business.

  • WilmingtonMAJ says:

    Republicans are absolute hypocrites! They say they want less government, except when it comes to things like this. This is nothing short of the government telling a woman what she can and cannot do with her body. It should be a private matter between a woman and her Doctor and the government has NO place in the matter. I am ashamed of this state today!

  • Challengetheworld says:

    It’s not all Republicans, its the outrageously social conservatives. I truly believe, in time, they will become our third true political party, The little girls in pink dresses with plastic cups called the tea party.

    You are right, they want less government when its convienent but more when it comes to religious issues. It’s not about being left alone; its about being more like them.

    Abortion is a private matter between a woman and her unborn fetus. Perhaps even the father, should he want to be invovled with the approval of the mother. This is not a matter for Politicans, Republicans, Democrats, Independents or otherwise. Roe vs Wade happened a long time ago, why are we going backwards? Whats next? Introducing segregation again? This is crazy. Lets finally put this to rest and realize its a womans right to have an abortion.

    I am so wanting to move to Canada if these tea party right wing nutjobs continue to reproduce.

  • GuestVictory says:

    @absolutely disgusting, you are disgusting. Read the bill! This allows a woman to have a fully informed decision when it comes to an abortion. All too often women believe this is their only choice and it isn’t. This will not infringe upon the patient’s privacy with her physician and it certainly doesn’t abolish abortions. Abortions will still be an option to those that request one. It will, however, ensure that baby (and it is a living baby) has every fighting chance possible. Not to mention the teen, college student or woman who would have to live with the guilt of knowing they extinguished a life based on the ignorance of the status quo. Every living being with a pulse deserves to be fully informed and have a chance at life! This is a victory for women across this state, not an infringement of ideological agenda. Do your homework!

  • Guest461 says:

    …you may not be here today. There are definitely indiviuals on this earth that we would be better off without. Some posters too…

  • Guest461 says:

    ….they couldn’t override the veto requiring a valid form of identification to vote. I still cannot uncerstand what’s up with that. Now the illegals, the felons and those too lazy to get off their fat butts to register can vote this smiley clown back into the Govs office again! Geeeeeeez!

  • donna says:

    this saddens me greatly – – – who pays for the extra testing and counseling. and are they both offered in a timely manner.
    more BS and heartache for women. Do you think most women do this lightly and don’t think about the consequences.

  • Challengetheworld says:

    Pushing their damn religous righteousness right down the throats of North Carolinians. This is absurd; I don’t agree with public funding for abortions but this is a slap in the face of the freedom of women across the state. This is what happens when you let religion and state intermingle. It is a country and state based on separation of relgious beliefs and government. We have gone drastically in the wrong direction.

    I really dont want any state “pastors” in office any longer. This is sick. The best thing is that this law can be overturned when we have some more like minded people involved.

    More biblcial bullsh**.

  • GuestLee says:

    You’re the only one mentioning religion here. Falling back on the same old tired arguments.

    What’s wrong with a woman having an extra day to figure out if this is what she really wants? After all, she has to carry that burden with her the rest of her life.

  • WilmingtonMAJ says:

    As opposed to carrying a child around for life? Your stuck with the decision one way or another. Do you think twice or wait a day before taking antibiotics to kill an infection or virus? It’s little different than an early stage abortion. There is little difference between a newly formed fetus in terms of self awareness and ability. One may have potential to be more, but it isn’t that early on! In the end, the government has NO PLACE in telling a woman what to do or WHEN to do with her body!

  • Challengetheworld says:

    Lee:

    What gives any of us the right to tell the woman she should wait? We don’t have it, therefore we shouldn’t impose it. This law is a violation of the womans rights; I hope it is contested to the highest court.

    These same people, or hypocrites, that support this Pro-Life movement are also the same that attack Doctors, Nurses and the like for doing their jobs and providing a medical servi

    Pro-BS.

  • donna says:

    biblical again?
    and extra day??? you think she’ll get the counseling and the ultrasound in a day?????????? dream on.

  • Challengetheworld says:

    Its not about whether I think she will change her mind or not; its about not being ANY of my or YOUR business. It is her business. She has the right to an abortion and no one should have the right to have her wait.

    Do we have too many abortions running around on the streets or do we have too many children who cannot be cared for because their parents weren’t ready or many other issues such as rape, disease etc?
    It’s about respecting the decision and not forcing morality on anyone. Maybe we should start giving 24 waiting periods before people order a Pizza or maybe 24 hour waiting periods before we decide to have surgery.
    Conservative bullsh**.

    Should we give 24 hours “warining” for the morning after pill too? Or maybe a 24 hour warning before we sell condoms?
    You want less government interaction but more restrictions on abortion? That is a complete contradiction. Not one single social conservative has yet to address that issue. Maybe you can discuss it at your next tea party!

    Ooops? Less handouts? But what if she can’t pay for that damn ultrasound the law dictates!? Then what? We [Taxpayers] just paid so little Mary got a bedside chat from Dr. Morality because someone decided to carry their bible to the next state session.

    North Carolina will continue to live with backwards policies if this bible belt isn’t stopped from entering into our government.

  • Challengethewrld says:

    At the molecular level the virus is even more advanced then the zygote at certain stages. So if this is a battle over “life” the abortion and killing a virus is exactly the same thing. However, people have a difficult time looking at abortion on a scientific level and run right back the pews with it. Life is only precious when it is convienent for you right? I’m sure you can start off with that the animals were put here for us to do this to and that to but the people, well, that is different. Your wrong, science doesn’t care life is life.

    I doubt the “baby” as you put it wouldn’t even know what happened because its not a “baby” at all. You killed more “life” walking home today when you stepped on all those insects and single celled organisms. So don’t go getting all offended so quickly.

    Government and Beliefs do not mix.

  • GuestLee says:

    I could see your point if you were talking about women having to wait weeks or even months. But we are talking about a 24 hour period here. It sounds like you’re afraid they might change their mind about having an abortion.

    Pro-abortion…BS.

  • GuestLee says:

    A baby is not a virus. You are comparing a baby to a virus, and that’s absurd.

    I still believe that 24 hours isn’t that big a deal. You’re just trying to make it one.

  • GuestLee says:

    Your post is so full of liberal rantings that it’s hardly worth the effort of commenting. To go into each point you made would waste my time and wouldn’t accomplish anything with a closed, one-sided mind like yours. However, you do remind me of something President Truman once said, “If you can’t convince them, confuse them.”

  • leap mom says:

    This story was so biased it was barely reporting – “restrictions” is not accurate. Don’t worry your competitor did just as badly and even quoted an representative from Planned Parenthood.

    A more accurate description of the new law: Women are still allowed to have abortions on demand for no reason or for what they believe is a good reason. This new law merely allows them the time to fully understand what they are doing. The extra time (a day or two?) permits them the luxury of thorougly considering this life or death situation and the effects on their life and well as their unborn child.

    The only reason someone could be offended by this is the fact that the ultrasound will reveal a beating heart –a baby!! not a fetus.

    I guess that is what planned parenthood is afraid of.

  • Challengetheworld says:

    Why does the government, of any kind, have any right to force religious morality on a woman? I don’t belong to your church, and quite frankly, I don’t care what you believe. I respect you for your right to believe it, but you should respect others that do not as well.

    In the same respect; this “extra time” is nothing more then brow beating a woman who is in a difficult situation. This law could potentially create mental and psychological issues from the result of what is imposing.

    The good thing is, it will be overturned in time. Society, as a whole, is past this. However, the hyper-sensitive, radically conservative society is dying. Survival of the fittest, not survival of the most conservative.

  • Guestmo says:

    Are they forced to wait 24 hours or not? You are making it sound like it is optional.

  • Charles Walters says:

    I think by the time a woman decides to have an abortion she has already thought about what she is doing, so take your moral majority crap and shove it.

  • Charles Walters says:

    Right now their are more important issues to deal with now besides what a woman discusses with her doctor or if she sees an ultrasound picture of a fetus (not a baby) a fetus before an abortion. Republicans need to quit pushing their morals on everyone, because let’s face it none of you have any room to talk when it comes to morallity. People can not pay their bills and our economy is in the toilet and you fools are worried about something that is none of your business any way. Children who are already here are starving, our education system is crap,and the Republicans are worried that a woman should have forced counseling before a medical procedure. You are the ones who will be voted out of office, and laughed at like the jokes you really are.

  • Guest7969 says:

    if your wife is 7 months pregnant..and I take a baseball bat and bash her stomach in….it was JUST a fetus…RIGHT?

  • GuestLee says:

    So you’re more worried about the economy and the educational system (and Republicans) than you are a developing human life? Interesting choice of priorities…..

  • me says:

    AWESOME!!!!! If only we could do away with murdering babies altogether!

  • Das Weibstück says:

    For who? The unwanted child? The unprepared Mother? NO just YOU ! Until you are willing to adopt ALL the unwanted abused and neglected kids shut it. Oh but they got to be born right?

  • Guesto says:

    I thought conservatives wanted less people on welfare, not more.

  • Guestgustd says:

    Yea! Babis are cute! we loooove them. if babydaddy not around, so what? We gots the welfare, food stamps, and don’t need to work. LETS MAKE MORE BABIES!! Thankyou, jesus for giving us more babies!

  • Challengetheworld says:

    This law is offensive and a step in the wrong direction.

  • GuestLee says:

    How would you know how a woman thinks or feels about abortion? Your comments are always so abrasive, offensive, and totally over the top.

  • GuestLee says:

    That’s your opinion, which you are entitled to…I’m also entitled to mine, which is that it’s NOT offensive, and is a step in the RIGHT direction.

  • guest1127 says:

    thank god people in this state look as if there getting their stuff together if u do the action expect the consequence abortions shouldn’t be allowed unless there is a medical reason.

  • Commonsensenotcommontoday says:

    These requirements in no way, shape, or form restrict a woman’s right to kill her baby. (And that’s exactly what it is, though I can live with that) They simply require her to pause and think about it, to make sure that she really wants to end the pregnancy.

    I don’t think that’s any great inconvenience and I think the baby deserves that minimal consideration. Plus, I know more than one woman who regrets the long-ago decision to have an abortion. Had they given it greater thought at the time….

    It SHOULD be a very heavy decision, carefully thought out and with great consideration of the moral ramifications. There are cases where abortion is the only logical option, but many more cases when abortion is simply the easy, fast way out…

    …for the WOMAN, of course.

  • leapmom says:

    “Abortion is a private matter between a woman and her unborn fetus.” This is insulting–it is a baby, one whom isn’t really consulted! And “the father …with the approval of the mother”. If it is only a fetus is she the mother and why doesn’t the father had any rights?

    Silly, silly self-absorbed women who think they can just kill the consequences of their behavior.

    I personally believe that we are seeing more mothers killing their children because we have devalued life in this country. What is really the difference between killing your unborn child and your newborn child?

    Oh, for the record the woman in the Roe-v-Wade case gave birth to her child and became very anti-abortion.

  • Das Weibstück says:

    “What is really the difference between killing your unborn child and your newborn child?”

    Murder.

  • Challengetheworld says:

    This law infringes on the rights of the woman. How do you know every single situation was as a result of the consequences. You are right, we devalued life a long time ago when we started paying for all the children the mother’s couldn’t raise.

    This law is based on hyper-conservatives who say they want less government intervention BUT just asked for more. It will be overturned.

  • WilmingtonMAJ says:

    Tell me dear socially conservative republican…who will PAY for all these babies. I hear the religious wing nuts like yourself spout off about the evils of abortion ten minutes after they spout off about the evils of medicaid and well fare. Why don’t you go live in Iran or Saudi Arabia where religion is free to be involved in politics. Here we have Separation of Church and State quite thankfully.

    Social Conservative:
    Anti-Abortion
    Pro-Death Penalty

    Gotta love the hypocrisy!

  • Commonsensenotcommontoday says:

    You know my views. I’m totally in favor of providing free abortions (and mandatory birth control) to anyone on TANF or any other government assistance program. I believe any woman has an inherent right to terminate her pregnancy.

    That said,this law does nothing to endanger that right. It simply stacks the deck less heavily against the baby.

    Having an abortion should not be as easy a decision as what to have for breakfast or what color shirt to wear today. It should be a carefully thought-out decision based upon a woman’s needs AND she should consider the human life that is resident in her womb.

    If this law forces her to perform the latter, it’s GREAT in my book.

  • GuestLee says:

    I totally agree with you on this one, Common. You are 100% right.

  • leapmom says:

    Social liberal:

    Pro death for innocent babies and Pro life for animals and criminals. That isn’t hyprocisy?!

    Also, FYI separtion of church and state was designed to protect the church from the influence of the government! Read some history!

  • GuestLee says:

    Is it time for your medication or mine?

  • WilmingtonMAJ says:

    You are so right. These are the same people who want to do away with medicaid and well fare, but force women to carry unwanted children to term and then deal with them or drop them in the care of the state. It’s hypocrisy at it’s finest. When these da** religious clowns start adopting unwanted children instead of breeding I will be a happy camper. In my experience it’s generally those of a more liberal persuasion that adopt children, and the right-wing christians who want to breed 4, 5 and 6 children instead of taking in a child that needs a home.

  • OtherGuest says:

    Guest7969, I would like to congratulate you on your considered and intelligent contribution.

  • Charles Walters says:

    First of all you or anyone else would not get that close, because very bad things would happen to someone who tried. Second until a child is born it is a fetus. When a fetus is about seven months along, that is just about the time it could be born and maybe live if you are lucky. Medical science is wonderful but it can not do everything. Just another point if you are stupid enough to hit a pregnant woman and hurt the fetus then you would be charged for that and thrown in jail. Just from your comments you sound like a person who hits women and abuses animals.

  • GuestLee says:

    There have been many cases of children born at 6 months gestation period. They have a difficult time, but many survive and thrive.

  • GuestLee says:

    I agree with the point you are trying to make. Most people would not take your example literally. Unfortunately, some hard-headed, abrasive, arrogant a$$hole will probably disagree with you and respond as if you are attacking him personally.

  • Guest7969 says:

    You kind of prove my point…”if you are stupid enough to hit a pregnant woman and hurt the fetus then you would be charged for that and thrown in jail” IF it is a fetus and disposable…WHY would I be thrown in jail for hurting trash?

    You see…I made a VERY good example of where we are on this issue…if you WANT the baby at 5 months…its VERY different than if you DON’T want the baby at 5 months…WHY? It either IS or ISN’T a child…get off the fence! In my opinion…its murder…PERIOD. NOW..just to show you I’m not a hypocrite about it…if my wife was raped or the doctor said she would absolutely die if she carried the baby…I as a husband would be probably be very selfish and while the decision is something that would haunt me…would want her to have an abortion..HOWEVER, having an abortion just because…isn’t good enough in my book.

    For the record…I DON’T hit women…my father would jump out of his wheelchair and beat my rear end if I ever did.

  • Charles Walters says:

    It says they have to wait, they have no choice.

  • GuestLee says:

    Who says that believing that life begins at inception is “religious morality”? You?

    I’m not a particularly religious person, although I do believe in God, but I’m not what I would consider religious. However, I totally believe that it is a developing human being in that womb that shouldn’t be tossed like you would throw away an old worn out dishrag.

    I believe more in birth control and making sure you don’t get pregnant to begin with.

    Religious morality? No, I just believe it’s wrong.

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