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Bus routes to beaches may be too good to be true

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CAROLINA BEACH, NC (WWAY) -- To most, the idea of having bus routes that could drop you off a few yards from water's edge seems too good to be true, and it just might be. There may soon be bus routes to our area's southern beaches if Wave Transit gets its way.

The executive director for Wave, Albert Eby, spoke to the Carolina Beach Town Council tonight about a plan to get bus routes from Monkey Junction to Pleasure Island.

Right now, the closest bus stop from Carolina Beach is in Monkey Junction by the Lowes and Wal-Mart, which Mary Schackner says is not worth the trouble to get to Pleasure Island.

“There's people that can't get there at all or haven't been there in years because of the bus,” said Schackner. “If you're having people over you can't take them to the beach because who's going to want to walk in that kind of heat for maybe three miles, four miles.”

To foot the bill for the new routes Wave Transit wants to add a $7 registration fee to New Hanover County residents who own vehicles.

Eby says the fee would add up to more than $1 million.

“We've estimated that the plan is going to cost anywhere from a little over $100,00 for seasonal service to both Pleasure Island and Wrightsville Beach and a little over $200,000 for a year round service,” said Eby.

He says the extra money left over from the registration fees will be used to offset future capital purchases, like new hybrid buses.

However, Eby says right now the plan is just a plan. He says implementing it will mean getting the approval of several different people.

“That would be up to not only the town commissions as well as the school board and some of these other folks in supporting resolutions, but it would ultimately come down to New Hanover County Commissioners,” said Eby.

The Carolina Beach Town Council decided that a public hearing on the bus routes to Pleasure Island beaches would be held before any decisions are made. Eby says he plans to speak to the Wrightsville Beach Board of Aldermen on Thursday.

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Vehicle owners are already

Vehicle owners are already getting gouged to death on taxes and fees such as the joke Emissions Test for newer cars while a 1970's model can choke us to death. There is no reason we should have to foot that bill as well. If they want to go to the beach let them pay. Im sure it would be something the Freshmen at UNCW w/o cars would use, but have them pay for it! As far as the comments about inner city people and criminals ect. there is no boundary, criminals are every where. A Councilman from Kure Beach was just arrested for pot.

Tax

Tax Tax Tax...IM SICK OF IT..why in the world should I have to pay 7 bucks per vehicle I own...and be PUNISHED because I own them..so someone can get a ride to the beach!? Seriously..if your middle class...it seems like you must be punished for it....it's sickening. Want to go to the beach...PAY FOR IT YOURSELF! Nobody is filling my tank to go to the beach!

Amen

When we go to the beach we go to the North end of Carolina Beach. We buy our sticker early in the year before the price jumps to $100. We don't ask anybody else to help us pay for the sticker and don't see why we are responsible to help support the bus. Make all the fares enough to support the costs and get begging for tax money.

Wrightsville? Carolina?

Let's be real. You know as well as I do that, if this comes to be, the desination will be only Carolina Beach. Why, the elitist WB-ers would NEVER stand for a bus load of inner city people to be dropped of to roam around "their" island.

Buses

Okay, I agree, if you want to go to the beach, pay for it yourself. Secondly, what would all the people at the beach, who rode the bus, do when a big thunderstorm was upon them? Where would they go? What would they do? Have you seen the traffic at the beach when there is a thunderstorm? Just wondering.

Just another wealth distribution scheme

Why should I pay $7.00 per year to provide bus transportaion to the beach. This is just another attempt of wealth distribution. If this plan does go through - I hope the riders remember to bring their free cell phones w/them so they can call WAVE and complain the bus is 5 minutes late.

pay per zone

Not a bad idea and I would pay $10 round trip if I could strap my board somewhere and get dropped off at WB for the day. They should run it and one downtown till 3am...might keep the stupid drunks as well. That said make it pay for itself. When I lived in Philly if you took Septa, Patco or NJT, the further out you went, the more you paid. NJT would drop you off in Atlantic City or Asbury Park for around $15 round trip. Make downtown zone 1 Mayfair zone 2 WB zone 3 and CB zone 4 and it would pay for itself.

no, but maybe...

yes, I hate being nickel/dimed like the next person, it's something that will never end. That said, our public transportation system is terrible. Go to Europe, they did it right. This should have been implemented when WAVE began. Who didn't think of that? The beach is a major area/attraction, hello. Just another display of leadership's lack of forward thinking. Now go back to the drawing board and figure out a different way to pay for it.

It's a $1.2 million dollar tax increase....

What WAVE is proposing is actually $1.2 tax increase. Unbelieveable in these times that they would even consider proposing such a thing....

http://capefearpatriot.blogspot.com/2011/07/wave-pushes-12-million-dolla...

WAVE is a luxury, not a necessity. Probably a great place to start looking to cut our cost and lower the governments burden on our families. To many buses driving around town virtaully empty. My guess would be we can provide the same service at much lower cost.

Stay Away

PLEASE ship all the bus riders to Carolina Beach. STAY AWAY FROM WRIGHTSVILLE

No...send them all to Wrightsville!

Being on Wrightsville Beach already makes one think they are standing as a tourist on a beach in Mexico with all the illegals that visit there. Maybe that can be a new moniker for Wrightsville Beach. You DO need help you know?

"Come play at Wrightsville Beach, you'll feel just like you're in Cozumel!"

?????

That made no sense at all

Free buses for wave

I am so glad I moved out of NHC.

Really this is all a ruse for WAVE to make a million extra bucks a year.

Even worse Wrightsville Beach Barney's wont be able to read the license plates of criminals if they are all on a bus.

Anyone who wishes to get to the beach should save their pennies and get their own transportation and stop expecting TAX payers to give them something they didnt earn.

Why?

I'm not meaning this as a criticism, so please don't take it as such, but I'm curious. Since you moved out of NHC and are no longer a citizen here, why do you comment so much on what goes on in the city/county? It doesn't even affect you, so I'm just curious as to why you even care. Not interesting enough news in your current county? Or do just old habits die hard?

Lee

I spend a lot of time in NHC, my parents still live there as do friends. I do a lot of shopping there. I still have opinions as do the rest of the posters here.

NO NO NO!

NO MORE FREEBIES! IF someone wants to take the bus to the beach they have to PAY. I DO NOT WANT TO PAY FOR THEM TO GO TO THE BEACH!

This is right up there with the damn BBQ grills in the Housing Authority. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, right now we are bleeding money like it is water with an endless supply. Ideas like this one are how we got to where we are.

I sware, I want to stop paying taxes, save my money and buy a small shack on some private island somewhere just so the government can stop taking all my money for the wrong reasons!!!!!!!!

Insane

This is insane! Another way to nickel and dime citizens to death!

The only way to fight this is NOT on this forum. It's through attending any public meetings that may come up and, most importantly, through hundreds of phone calls from citizens protesting these bus routes. Call WAVE and speak with Albert Eby, and then call all the city council members as well. If you don't, you WILL be paying this $7.00 shortly. Call, call, call!!!!!

Not another tax

I sent an E-mail to all commissioners and Mr. Eby with a carbon copy going to both WWAY & WECT asking them to explain to me as a vehicle owner why is it my responsibility to pay for others to go to the beach. Jason Thompson was first to respond in his usual short manner. I had to reply to him to ask for clarification as to if he supported this measure and if the citizens would get to vote on it or if it would only be the commissioners. He said he doesn't support it and only commissioners would get to vote. Then Brian Berger responded and stated he was about 95% opposed to the additional tax but wants to hear from both sides before locking in against it. Mr. Eby also responded with documentation showing county commissioners had the power to implement this tax. Commissioners Ted Davis, Rick Catlin and Jonathan Barfield haven't responded yet.

Unless you want to pay for others to go to the beach, call or e-mail each commissioner.

Barfield: jbarfield@nhcgov.com 233-8780
Thompson: jthompson@nhcgov.com 798-7260
Davis: tdavis@nhcgov.com 313-0755
Berger: bberger@nhcgov.com 431-3115
Catlin: rcatlin@nhcgov.com 452-5861

Albert Eby
Executive Director WAVE: aeby@wavetransit.com 202-2035

I don't like the idea of

I don't like the idea of increasing vehicle registration fees to pay for this. In my opinion the revenue should come from the towns that are benefiting from the bus service and/or the people using the service. Finally, the money needed to purchase hybrids should come from the County budget, not from drivers that do not use the bus.

Let the plan

be self sufficent. Why should every vehicle registered in NH County be subject to an additional fee?

If that means a $20 fare, so be it. This subsidized living attitude needs to end. Going to the Beach is a want not a necessity.

Have they missed the news items on a possible second recession?

Buses

I agree 100% with you. I am tired of paying and subsidizing everyone who wants something they can't or won't pay for. Pay for it yourself if you want to go to the beach and I will not pack you a lunch. I'm sure that will be next, why not?

People, do not let this happen!!!

Attend your town and county commission meetings to voice your discord of this concept!!!

I'm sick and tired of the government constantly reaching into my pocket to pay for more entitlements! Having responsible drivers that don't even use the bus to pay another $7.00 to fund beach trips for the lazy and new busses for the WAVE system is another snatch, grab and run of OUR money. If a person wants to go to the beach, then pay your own way to go like the rest of society. This era of FREE S**T has got to come to an end. Next they will be funding limosine service to get the riders from the bus stop to the sand. You don't really think they will WALK do you?

They want to generate 1 million dollars of revenue to fund 100K, maybe 200K worth of annual service? That leaves $900,000.00 so that WAVE can "...offset capital purchases, like hybrid busses."

This is a bunch of HorseHooie! WAVE, if you can't seem to operate as a self-sustaining business, then raise your fares or close your damn doors! The Free-Ride is over!

In what kind of socialist paradise..

would this be too good to be true? No way should everyone have to pay an increase of $7 on their registration! Everything has gone up: water, sewer, trash, gas, groceries. Government is going to nickel and dime us to death. If this is too good to be true for most of us we're doomed.

People - if you want to go to the beach get there on your own! If a bus company wants a route to the beach let a PRIVATE company do it at its own expense. I am sick to death of constant government meddling and intrusion.

Eby is incorrect, it should

Eby is incorrect, it should ultimately come down to the voters of New Hanover County who will be footing the bill to expand his kingdom. Perhaps the ELECTED officials of this county should take notice the pockets of the citizenry are not some unending well which they can keep dipping into.

Implement the plan....

...and you will launch a backlash the likes of which you have never seen. It will be political suicide for any politician to sign onto this.

I first thought that this was simply more of the Robin Hood, wealth-redistribution nonsense....or possibly some sociological experiment to increase recreational opportunities to the ocean-deprived poor.

It appears, however, that I was wrong. With a revenue stream of $1 million but a cost of only $200k, this is nothing more than Wave wanting to steal your money to insure out-of-control salaries and the ability to purchase any new toy they want. CFPUA on wheels!

You have to wonder what possible benefit would accrue to the beach communities. Have any studies been done on the average Wave rider? Do we really believe they will be an economic boon to the beaches? How about the increased cost of policing the beach when thousands of people who don't have to worry about driving home get as drunk as they want to?

To Wave, here's the bottom line: Charge a "beach-fare" from Monkey Junction and your new depot off Ringo Drive, one that is adequate to fund the cost, and leave the non-Wave riders alone.

Our money is NOT your money.

Anybody with a grain of

Anybody with a grain of common sense knows that given the opportunity, any politician will choose to wring more money out of vehicle owners.

This

Any bus route to the beach needs to be supported 100% by the rider's fare. It's a horrible idea of adding a registration fee for vehicle owners.

$7 registration fee to fund beach bus route

I for one don't want to subsidize bus routes to the beaches. The riders need to fund that one. How is that not clear!

another reason Im glad I moved outta NHC

just tax people more and more. This is nothing but another cash grab right up there with the forced annexation to get more money from taxpayers..

Transit

Shouldn't a "road digest" study be done even before considering such a pill of having mass buses driving into Pleasure Island. And another thing, I don't need another tax increase on MY vehicle since I can drive to the beaches myself