ONLY ON 3: Occupy Wilmington’s media blackout leaves many questions


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Submitted: Fri, 10/07/2011 - 3:55am
Updated: Fri, 10/07/2011 - 12:59pm
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WILMINGTON, NC (WWAY) — The Occupy Wall Street movement is spreading across the country and making its way to the Cape Fear.

If its purpose is the same here as it is in the Big Apple, then the mission of the event is to end what protestors call the greed and corruption of the wealthiest one percent of the country.

We tried to catch up with an organizer of Occupy Wilmington, but without much luck. As we tried to find out more about this popular movement today, we were shot down in a very strange way.

Based on the Occupy Wilmington NC Facebook page, Jim Natale is one of the movement’s local organizers. We called him and even visited his Hampstead home, but he did not answer.

As the Occupy Together movement continues to sweep across the nation, there is a growing interest in its cause. We simply wanted to talk with Natale or anyone involved in our area about the movement and get more information about an event planned Saturday at Greenfield Lake in Wilmington.

Natale posted on the Occupy Wilmington NC Facebook page that we were outside his home, but that he would not talk. Members of the group posted comments saying he should stay strong.

One comment from a member of the page says: “We can’t allow the media to dominate the message. It’s our message and it’s not tidy, and it’s not in sound bites.”

Protests in other states have turned into sometimes violent clashes with police. Although Wilmington’s movement shows no signs of that, it does not indicate much of anything.

In a Facebook conversation between Natale and WWAY’s Kevin Wuzzardo, Natale said Occupy Wilmington NC is “a leaderless movement,” and that there would be no communication with the media until Saturday’s event.

On a separate page he goes on to say that “main stream media will always portray things into there own light. We the 99% are not disorganized…….”

At this point we still do not know what Occupy Wilmington NC is doing, if it will protest in the city or what its true purpose is.

We have tried to let the group know if anyone wants to talk about the movement, we’d love to hear from them.

115 Comments

  • Guest121 says:

    Because it IS a leaderless movement, it would not be fair for one member to speak for the movement before people had even convened. That’s hardly a media “blackout,” WWAY – it seems you’re already trying to force this into your narrative.

  • Briam says:

    I don’t blame him. The media in general, and especially WWAY, seems to want to take a negative and contrary position to whatever is happening. Why would someone want to grant a media interview, only to have their statements twisted and presented in a negative light?

    As for the movement, all I have to say to them is stop whining. If you’re broke and homeless, it’s your own fault. The opportunities in the USA are the same for everyone – if you didn’t learn how, or are unwilling to play the game, then you’re not allowed to whine about the success of those who worked hard to get where they are.

  • JAGS says:

    Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_System

    “According to the Board of Governors, the Federal Reserve is independent within government in that “its decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branch of government.” However, its authority is derived from the U.S. Congress and is subject to congressional oversight. Additionally, the members of the Board of Governors, including its chairman and vice-chairman, are chosen by the President and confirmed by Congress.”

  • Diane says:

    Wow ! That was terrific….thanks. By the way I saw several people decades older than you who, I know, agree completely with you as I do.

  • QuietOne says:

    you know who makes me mad? Those brainy people who study really hard and get straight A’s. I think we should force them to give up one point on every test to each of those less fortunate people in the class who don’t have time to study because they are exercising their right to party and hang out with their friends. Everyone is equal, so we should all get the same grade regardless of how hard they work. That will make life fair!

  • Guest10 says:

    “We were shot down in a very strange way… Protests in other states have turned into sometimes violent clashes with police.”

    This is balanced reporting? Sounds like editorial bias to me. Anyone reading this, please question the motives of this news agency – and seek the facts for yourself.

  • soundguy says:

    we are NOT blacking out the media. the local movement cannot be defined until we have met on saturday for our general assembly, where everyone gets to voice their concerns and an agreement can be made regarding what we stand for, until then we have nothing to say besides when and where the open meeting where ANYONE can speak is happening.

    saturday 1:30-4 greenfield lake, by the pedal boats.

  • Commonsensenotcommontoday says:

    …and even more punitive taxes on people who dare to be successful. What else do you need to say?

    Let’s go over this again: In FY2008, the top one-percentile of taxpayers paid 38% of all the personal income taxes in this country.

    So the minute you or one of your speakers claims that they aren’t paying their fair share, YOU’RE LYING.

  • Keenen Altic says:

    So your answer to the problem is to ensure that this happens over and over again by deregulated the stock market? You do realize that is what caused the mess? You do realize that the bankers panic of 1907 happened in an unregulated market and JP Morgan ran away with other peoples money? Then he used his crime to set up the Fed as a fake regulatory agency he could use to bail himself out. Enron pulled the same stunt in 2001.

  • privatisation is deprivation says:

    The answer to the problem is to ensure that this happens over and over again by deregulating the stock market? You do realize that is what caused the mess? You do realize that the bankers panic of 1907 happened in an unregulated market and JP Morgan ran away with other peoples money? Then he used his crime to set up the Fed as a fake regulatory agency he could use to bail himself out. Enron pulled the same stunt in 2001. Just because Steve Jobs died doesn’t mean I’ll let him off the hook. Apple, Google and Cisco have been using their money to make the government take yours. They are lobbying congress for a tax holiday that would allow them to pull tax deferred money from the Cayman Islands without paying tax on it. People talk about double taxes. For every “double tax” corporations have a loop hole that triples their tax return.

  • guesty says:

    Your group seems to go for higher education in fields that don’t pay more than $14k a year. So you have a bachelors degree in liberal arts and wonder why the only job you can qualify for is McDonald’s? It doesn’t matter what GPA you have if you earned it in a low paying or unneeded field. Want to earn some money, get a degree in a technical field.
    Otherwise you are no smarter then paying $100k for $5k car and then bitching you are now in debt for $100k.

  • Progress is Possible says:

    North Carolina has a proud progressive history. Think of our role in flight and the Greensboro lunch counters. We still however have the angry and fearful TEA Party idealigurs who who wish blacks were on the back of the bus, gay people should hide in the shadows their entire lives, their wives should shut up and get back to cooking and cleaning and that kept their children in fear of them, and a world where a non-white/ non-Protestant was inconceivable. This is the world they want to go back to. Guess what, we are going forward. Progressives push our country and the world forward and it is always with the resistance of folks who ” want their country back” as soon as it finally starts to look the melting pot that we have always bragged it to be. Wake up, for almost the history of the country the very top layer of wealth has pitted one race, ethnicity and religion against the other to distract you while they lone their pickets at your/ our expense. Again wake up, YOU ARE the 99% wether you like it or not… And so am I and so are we. Stop helping by providing them with a distraction they created you for.

  • JAGS says:

    Facts:

    1. Look at your tax dollars spent here:
    http://projects.propublica.org/tables/treasury-facilities-loans

    2. President Nixon abolished the obligation of U.S. dollars to pay in gold.

    4. The Fed’s answer to recession/depression is to print more paper money.

    5. Your stock market investments and bank account balances have an equity comparable to the intangible web page your reading now.

    6. If you think the “housing bubble” is headlines, wait until the “default on student loans” comes to surface.

    7. Have you wondered why one out of three TV commercials is insurance related? Everyone knows “Flo” by now.

    8. Banks are legal robbers, the stock market is legal gambling, and the insurance companies own it all.

    9. One who receives monthly government assistance other than SSI would be “right at home” in a socialist/communist society.

    10. The #1 entity hiring is the US Government. http://www.usajobs.gov/

    11. Half of four billion in federal funds disbursed this year to small-business lending by banks was spent to repay bailout funds that the banks received under the government’s Troubled Asset Relief Program.

    12. If a large percentage of the cable/digital TV subscribers cancelled, it may be provided for free. Why do we pay for corporate American to advertise to us?

    13. Where do the NC Educational Lottery Dollars really go?: Quote “Perdue said last week that she would use $87.6 million in lottery profits to ensure that there is money available in the state’s day-to-day operating accounts to pay the bills through mid-April. Legislators who voted for the lottery law say they are frustrated by the decision, even though they know she made it while facing the state’s worst fiscal emergency in a generation.” End Quote

    14. Look at the ILM budget forecast shortfalls on the below document: http://www.wilmingtonnc.gov/finance/budget/fy_11-12_adopted_budget.aspx
    NOTE figures in parentheses denote a SHORTFALL such as (11,577,848):

    Conclusion:

    1. It is my hope everyone arguing at one another in the comments of this article will ask themselves “What positive contribution did I make today”? “Were my comments to this article positive or negative”? Did I assist in enlightening others reading this article OR did I argue at others via my comments”?

    2. For the comments above bashing WWAYTV3 reporting, ask yourself “Why am I visiting this site”? Obviously you have an interest in the news article.

  • CaughtSaddam says:

    Its the fact a CEO can make well over 6 figures a year and possibly even above 7 figures yet justify laying off 10’s of thousands of workers to appease the shareholders. Its the fact we currently have funding for some form of military operations in over 70 countries on any given day yet cant afford to help out the less fortunate. Its our for profit health care system. The millions of dollars we give away to other countries while public education fails our children and the roads around us collapse. And when the top 1% controls over 40% of the wealth in a nation I would say 38% of all income taxes taken in sounds about right. OPEN YOUR EYES. Becase if you have time to comment on a lowly news thread you are certainly being screwed over just like the rest of us.

  • Bocephus says:

    Hey everyone, don’t get so hysterical. The nightmare (that started in 2000)is almost over. In 2012 we can go back to the way the real America is supposed to be. Just look to the horizon and you will see the lone ranger riding into town. An ignorant, mumbling, bumbling know-nothing hick with the Texas swagger to get America back on track with its moral compass. Wait a minute… maybe we have seen this movie before???

  • John Osmar says:

    These groups are always the people who don’t do anything constructive with their lives, but have plenty of time to throw childish tantrums whenever someone else accomplishes something. They want to be called Progressive, without ever showing any progress. Like two-year-olds who cannot stack their blocks, they just want to tear down someone else’s. Go home, grow up, and come back when you have something to show for your life.

  • MarchingVoice says:

    Sure, some protesters are just that: professional protesters and students with no jobs and nothing better to do. But do you really think THAT MANY people would come out for no reason?

    The problem is on Wall Street AND the problem stems from Federal policy. The American elite has never been so removed from the rules of ordinary citizens.

    I worked my way through college, working 40 hour weeks and got a Bachelors a few years ago. I have worked two and three jobs simultaneously, full-time, contract, left the state, moved to areas I didn’t really want to go to get by. The fact is that I and MANY others in this generation work, and work hard. We don’t take the time we should to go out and get involved in politics and social issues. We’re busy and we’re tired, so we just let our frustration build… well now its boiling over.

    We worked hard to get degrees, and now we are drowning in Federal-controlled loans. The cost of education has risen disproportionately with wages (which I might add get garnished if you don’t pay, reducing many to less than living wages…). The cost of housing when I bought mine was more than double what my parents paid ten years earlier, and 500 ft smaller. My wages are low, my job prospects are fought for against tough competition, my taxes increase every year…

    And so many others I know– smart people– 3.8 GPA, part-time work through college… aren’t willing or can’t move like I did to scratch by. They can’t find work. Not because they aren’t willing, but because of the pressures (many stemming from Federal policy) that have driven hiring into nothing. I work for a small business– we are afraid to hire. Big business is afraid to hire (hire contract at best!). The country is in a state of limbo waiting to see what is going to happen with the economy, and its like everyone has stilled to slow motion waiting for the ball to drop.

    I’ve never gone out to a protest in my life, in fact I’ve always been a little on the conservative side. This time though, I think people like me— NORMAL, HARDWORKING young people are coming out and joining in this protest. We are saying that we didn’t make these policies, we didn’t have a say in this. We didn’t allow the banks and large corporations to reach this level of corruption over the past decades (and again I agree with many that say this stemmed from federal involvement in corporations).

    The fact is though, we didn’t make this bed. It’s only been in recent years that we’ve been able to vote, to speak and be heard in policy (and even still we’re young enough to be sneered at when we stand up at commissioners meetings!–and that’s only the local level). Its not just the young though, its also the displaced workers, those that are willing to work at all ages and can’t, or can’t unless they are willing to leave their homes and families behind!

    This generation of young professionals is weighted with more debt, a higher cost of living, and very few promises that the future will be brighter. Those in mid-career are losing the potential to build up for retirement and provide for their own children.

    Its not just the ‘hippy’ protesters this time. I believe that many young adults–many professionals, college grads, recently separated military members, displaced workers who are desperately seeking new training–are hearing the message that this is sending, and we are responding.

    We are frustrated that we spend our time working overtime just to get by, and that things are getting worse. We are frustrated that so many of our worthy hardworking friends have lost houses and jobs, delayed having families, been forced to move away from their families.

    We care about the political and corporate situation in America, and we care about what policy made by those 2, 3, 4 decades older than us– or simply those with more connections–are doing. Is anybody really looking at the long run? Are corporate America or our Federal (or state/local for that matter) representatives really out to serve the long run, our are CEOs and politicians in it for their term’s haul?

    Its time that this generation stood up, and took the time to voice our concerns– even when its not easy to squeeze the time between work, and freelance work on the side to make ends meet. We need to be heard, we are invested in the coming half-century or more. WE will feel the ongoing ripples of today’s financial and economic crisis long after our current representatives and the current CEOs of these corporations have retired to their beach homes.

    This is an outpouring of frustration. We feel like we aren’t being heard or served. Is it a shock that the protests are growing exponentially? I for one am willing to come out for this, and I’ve never protested before–and I’m not alone. I’m so frustrated its all about to boil over.

    I’m not saying I share all the opinions of this group– in fact, thats part of the group’s strength and purpose: it conveys many concerns and beliefs that are UNHEARD, UNREPRESENTED, and UNSERVED. I think that I– and they– deserve to be heard. In fact, our country was founded with that as one of its core principles.

    If nothing else, I am happy to see people in my basic demographic standing united and finding a voice–finally.

    That being said, the ‘leadership’ in Wilmington should have said just that, that this is about a huge segment of the population being underrepresented. Its not about the rich vs the poor. Its about the American elite being able to use and brutalize the system with complete disregard for the long-term good of our society.

    It’s about those that have used the system being rewarded– or at minimum relieved from the consequence of their own negligence– and those that are blameless (in the case of the younger generation of adults, those who didn’t even have a say when this downhill slide started) being forced to foot the bill for decades to come, probably to rest of our lives.

    I know others may have other opinions, but, as I said, I for one am glad to see someone voicing this mounting frustration that I know many of us are feeling.

    marchingvoice@gmail.com

  • privatisation is deprivation says:

    Apples and oranges. Is it fair for somebody to break into your house and steal? As long as we are making generalisations and comparing apples and oranges, how is that any different than granting tax holidays for profits that have been tax deferred while you don’t get that same tax holiday because you arn’t a corporation. The 99% pays for the 1% to do their lobbying. In 2009 BCBSNC spent 23 mil on lobbying against health care reform. That was part of our premiums.

  • Guest678 says:

    The “Facts on Semen” and “What Does Semen Contain?” sections were interesting and tie in nicely with another recent WWAY story.
    http://www.wwaytv3.com/2011/10/06/new-mexico-man-pleads-guilty-to-offering-semen-tainted-yogurt#comments

    These anti-capitalism folks have some interesting business ventures!

  • JO says:

    The system keeps us occupied with Democrats vs. Republicans, blacks vs whites, liberal vs conservative, whatever vs whatever. That way we fight amongst ourselves over pointless drivel. Anything to keep us from focusing on the real issue, corporations rule America. Corporations run the politicians, the media, everything.
    I say good for you Occupy Wallstreet, its about time.

  • guesty says:

    And I imagine you wear a neon hat saying “I love the NY Times, CNN & Huffington Post” because you clearly know nothing about working for a living.

  • Reginald Denny says:

    Anyone care to wonder why this guy can not set off his little revolt in his own town of Hampstead? I did, What a nasty and vial individual.

    https://www.jandtstoychest.com/

    You are sick dude, really sick.

  • Guest22885 says:

    You’re guaranteed the pursuit of happiness in America..Actual happiness may require work. See below for some of these protesters ramblings.
    http://i.imgur.com/qxqBu.jpg

  • Commonsensenotcommontoday says:

    It’s a staged movement that is being paid for. There are rumblings coming out of New York that George Soros’ is paying big bucks to fund this.

    In Sacramento today, rally organizers admitted that some attendees were being paid to show up.

    This is the Obama camp’s answer to the Tea Party, and it’s going to fail. You cannot spearhead a movement that is totally opposed to American values and expect it to succeed.

  • nonassociated says:

    It’s amazing how you blanket an entire group with accusations that are unfounded. You speak of them with the same disdain you think they have for minorities and gays. When dealing with someone like you, there is no reasoning and I understand that. I just wanted to call you out on your though process, or lack thereof. That “Tea Party are racist bigots” arguments is a little played out. This country in the hand of progressive liberals like you would quickly sink from it’s lack of foundation your kind is trying to destroy through your misguided frustration. March on Washington instead of Wall Street. They set the regulations and allow the big banks to do what they’re doing. The liberals you vote in have you engaging in class warfare and you don’t even notice it. How sad.

  • Guest26 says:

    I am pretty sure I saw the job listings in the obituary section…

  • guesty says:

    That is a priceless website. All the saps crying because they are having to work to pay for school. That just breaks my heart. Maybe I should give them my houses, my vehicles and everything else I own. After all, if I have more vehicles than I can drive at one time, I’m greedy. If I have more properties than I can occupy at one time, I’m greedy.
    What a crock of losers.

  • Pedantic Pete says:

    Well I doubt that any of these people would use the third person singular with the word “jobs” but I’m sure that your prejudice doesn’t exceed your intelligence.

    Could be wrong though . . .

  • Fouche says:


    1. The Occupy Wall St. protest and the coinciding protests being planned or underway in over eight-hundred cities across the globe to stand in Solidarity with OWS have in no way, shape or form made an official declaration advocating for the redistribution of wealth or for raising taxes on “those who dare to be successful.” (http://www.occupywallst.org, http://www.occupytogether.org)

    2. Let’s examine the phrase you used, “those who dare to be successful” a little closer. Making the inference that the aforementioned quotation applies to the top 1% of tax payers, it is not an entirely accurate statement. In fact, 32% of the 400 wealthiest Americans did not even earn their fortune as the entirety of it came from inheritance. (http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/1019/forbes-400-rich-list-09-net-worth-statistics-recipe-for-riches.html) One cannot exercise daring in being successful when it is dumped into their lap irrespective of their efforts.

    3. You also mention that the top one percentile of taxpayers were responsible for paying 38% of our country’s cumulative personal income tax. While this certainly paints a rather majestic picture of these individuals as inveritable saints, it doesn’t actually equivocate to their having paid an absurdly larger portion of their earnings in taxes compared to the lower 99%. One also has to consider the fact that the heads of 500 largest companies had a collective income of $5,100,000,000.00 in 2005.(http://www.forbes.com/2005/04/20/05ceoland.html) I’ll assume you are capable of basic mathematics and can thus understand that a small percentage of a very large number is quite often greater than a considerably higher percentage of a very small number (unless one were to irrationally take either percentage to an extreme in an attempt to use logical fallacies to counter-argue.) Thus, stating that the top one percentile of taxpayers payed 38% the total income tax collected does not do anything to advance the argument of the same top one percentile paying their “fair share.”
    3.A. Regardless of who payed their fair share of taxes or not (what authority decides what constitutes a fair share with 100% certainty anyway?), the Occupy Wall St. protest and its companion protests have never even raised that issue. Why then are you attributing this political stance to the movement? At best this is a logical fallacy called a Red Herring; an attempt to divert attention from the original issue with irrelevant facts.
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    4. Though I can, I don’t think I need to go into the tax giveaways of which 40% flow right back into the hands of the wealthy. And please don’t argue this created jobs as only $.32 of every dollar went back into the economy.

    Its generally best to fully research your facts before forming an opinion.


  • Robert Green says:

    This is the face of the NEW AMERICAN SOCIALIST MOVEMENT! Your hostilities need to be directed towards this dysfunctional Obama regime.You think things are bad now.Give this clown four more years and I will consider these people to be a glutton for punishment.

  • Guest5150 says:

    progress. I was waiting for it. The racist word….. We North Carolina natives hate the gays and blacks. We hate having a black president. We all want our women barefoot and pregnant. Thank you for clearing that up. You have defined this movement for what it is. A rally cry for the most useless president we have ever had and the most dangerous movement that our great republic has ever faced. The liberal/progressive movement. BTW I am a black american with a wife who works and two children. What is your argument now? Am I an Uncle Tom? Oreo? Take your hate filled anger elsewhere.

  • thegiant says:

    do they need or have permission / permit
    to conduct this progressive agenda gathering ?

    will this movement really be receptive to counter ideas or will any speach other than theirs be shouted down?
    i guess we will see, i will have video

  • Guest7969 says:

    for the MAJORITY…we all know what the word “progressive” means…and you can go to China or Russia for that if you want! As far as your Tea Party comments…it’s apparent you are a left wing NUT JOB!

  • Guest7969 says:

    Common..it’s USELESS to try to put out facts to these idiots…just listen to some of their drivel from yesterday! They have NO REAL grasp of what drives capitalism…it’s all flowers and puppies to them!

  • Commonsensenotcommontoday says:

    This has nothing to do with race, sexual orientation, or women’s rights. This has everything to do worthless, lazy bums thinking they are entitled to the earnings of others.

    You’re not entitled to it and you’re not getting it. We will not surrender and become an Eastern-Europe styled Socialist nightmare.

    Last weekend, your cultural icon, Michael Moore, stated that it was “…not time for violent action against the wealthy – yet.” I disagree. If we’re heading for civil war, then bring it on now. You’ll be in for a rude awakening to how most people still feel about this nation.

  • Fotursmnedbt says:

    This is the most stupidest movement I have ever seen. Go get a job. Don’t reply with “there isn’t any jobs”. How come the newspaper has want ads? These people are being duped big time.

  • American says:

    For a bunch of over educated, do nothing, professional protestors, they sure have created quite the conversation in America. Anyone wonder if that is what this is really for? Is this just to wake up Americans of any and all political, religious and economic beliefs to start talking and get involved in your government, in your life? How many people actually vote these days? We, the people, have to be involved to make the changes. Maybe if we all cared more in the past, we wouldn’t have to depend on “professional” protestors to get us to speak.

  • Commonsensenotcommontoday says:

    Even if they inherited their money, IT’S THEIR MONEY.

    In a country founded upon the equality of man and possessing a Constitition that guarantees “equal treatment of law,” how can anyone legitimately argue that we should tax Mister Smith at 39% and Mister Jones at 10%?

    If OccupyWallStreet is not advocating raising taxes on the rich, then just about everyone being interviewed on the news is out of touch with your goals. You’d better tell them to shut up and stop talking to the press. (The guy interviewed on CNN, who didn’t know about the bank bailouts being already paid back with interest was quite impressive, too!)

    Face it – it’s a staged movement with one intent: To re-elect Obama.

  • Commonsensenotcommontoday says:

    ..any knowledge at all, you would allow the TRILLIONS in offshore money to return to the United States on a one-time tax-exempt or tax-reduced basis.

    Once here and put to use it would result in billions of property taxes, inventory taxes, and income taxes within a year.

    You people really don’t know much about economics, do you?

  • SurfCityTom says:

    As head of the SEC, that’s the Securities Exchange Commission, Joe Kennedy saw the coming stock market crash; used that “insider” information to liquidate his stock holdings; and then after the economy tanked, really built the Kennedy fortune by purchasing distressed real estate and a movie studio for literally pennies on the dollar.

    But liberal blowhards don’t want to face that reality do they?

  • he said it says:

    I think one of “their own”- former Goldman Sachs partner and current chairman of the commodity futures trading commission Gary Gensler said it best of his time on wall st:

    “I am not smarter than other people, I didn’t invent anything or build anything or create lots of good jobs in America…There are lots of people who are hurting across the country and to say that “no one knew” or “no one is responsible” is not right. The people who helped create the game, and I am one of them, should say “I’m sorry.” and start making amends.”

    hear, hear

  • Guest123 says:

    Believe it or not readers you are the 99%… and these people are 99% fighting for you not matter your race, religion, or political preference. That’s what this movements about.

  • Guest7969 says:

    LET me get this straight…you want the GOVERNMENT..you know those Republicans and Democrats….to TAKE more money from the EVVVvvviiil corporations..in taxes I suspect….you want the GOVERNMENT…the ones who got us 15 TRILLION DOLLARS in DEBT…to do this?…and you think YOU will benefit from this!?..PLEASE…WHATEVER YOU DO…DON’T SHOW UP TO VOTE 2012!!!

  • Guest7969 says:

    HAVE A SOLUTION…YOU…YES YOU…are providing those EVIL corporations ammunition…in order to stop them…you MUST stop driving your car, stop buying gas, stop buying clothes and food and stop using electricity and water…basically you need to become Mountain Family Robinson and move into the wilderness….OTHERWISE YOU ARE CAUSING WHAT YOU HATE…YOU…YES YOU are complaining about the VERY THINGS YOU USE! So STOP supporting what you hate…if you are SINCERE in what you are saying you believe…you will do it…OTHERWISE…your a big fat HYPOCRITE!!!

  • Guest7969 says:

    The shareholders are YOU AND ME…IDIOT!…OMG..the socialists have REALLY WON..they have succeeded in making us STUPID! If you believe in this EVIL CORPORATION thing…I apologize for my parents not stopping the socialist movement into our schools hard enough by putting bullets in their heads in the 60’s and 70s!

  • Guest3654789 says:

    Hey geniuses, if you raise taxes on the rich, who do you think will suffer? The person buying their products, you. All the companies will do is raise the price of their goods to recoup their tax money. Think about it. They are going to make their money somehow.

  • Guest7969 says:

    NOW YOUR GETTING IT!…Corporations and small companies DO NOT PAY TAXES…go ahead..RAISE em..TAKE EM….they will just raise the costs of goods to adjust…You know…it’s SAD when something THIS simple goes over these peoples heads…SHEEEWwwwwww..right over it!

  • Guest7969 says:

    YOU don’t get is that you are .01% of the 99%…PLEASE DO NOT FIGHT FOR ME OR TRY TO HELP ME! I LOVE CAPITALISM!!!

  • 1ofmany says:

    Brian, you really need to do some homework. Some of us are PhDs, Social Workers, teachers, police and firefighters, graduating students who played the game and are now five figures in debt with no job to begin the pay back. Please, don’t dismiss what you clearly don’t understand. If you’re not concerned that government is now for sale, that we are now plutocracy instead of a democracy, that families with two working parents are being foreclosed upon because both were laid off, then don’t bother commenting on what others are doing to address the problems.

  • 28472 says:

    Let them do their thing, their passionate about it – just like your passionate against it.

  • robo says:

    While I agree with many of your frustrations, it would be better if you vented them toward Washington, DC, in the next election. Creating chaos is not making progress.

  • MarchingVoice says:

    You know, speaking from experience as a young adult, I think its:

    A) We’re busy just earning a a living, and

    B) We’re all scared to talk about the political and economic situation with each other, we feel isolated.

    One of this movements successes is that it has opened the dialog and let many struggling people know that they are not the only ones that feel the way they do. I think that’s valuable.

  • Tim Moyle says:

    I need a job. Where do I apply for “professional protester”?

  • robo says:

    The Progressive movement advances to Socialism, and ends in Marxism/Communism. Study history.

  • Tim Moyle says:

    The greatest irony in America today is; non-millionaire conservatives fighting like crazy to support those whose only goal is to financially rape them. Talk about suckers and fools, omg!

  • Tim Moyle says:

    How would you know who these protesters are? You may as put on a hat with a neon sign saying “I’m a Fox News puppet” because you clearly know nothing about the real world.

  • BOOM BOOM says:

    I like to think me self a guru in some matter for instance, mom and dad worked hard and earned a living, not enough to send me to school so the easy road was to not work and save money and then go to school, it was to go straight to college get an education off of someone elses’ dime and then get a job and pay it back.

    Nice concept, but that is in fact the most backwards thinking ever invented. Maybe if you had gotten a PHD in post hole digging first and then went to college times wouldn’t be so bleak.

    If Americans would quite buying things they cant afford, but earn those things and then buy them we wouldnt have so much discontent.

    My oldest sister worked everyday in the summer to pay for her education and it didnt cost our family a nickel or a bank or the goverment. she’s not whining. Instead she was willing to work for an education (literally) not borrow it for the future. she got her PHD in working in a restaurant first.

  • Guest3 says:

    While I can sympathize with everyone’s plight, and I, myself, have not had a salary increase for 3 years now, I have to wonder if some of these folks were living well above their means. It seems to be the order of the day in this country to charge, spend, and overextend. Not just “Keeping up with the Jones’s”, but “Far surpassing the Jones’s” has become a national pastime.

    Most of the groups you mentioned make good money, but if they don’t know how to budget it, they are one step away from disaster. A millionaire could become a pauper in short order if he overextends himself.

    Life happens. People get laid off, or they may develop an unexpected serious illness or have an unexpected emergency. If they don’t have something in savings, it will wipe them out.

    Americans are now being forced to cut back and live within their means. That doesn’t go down very well in today’s society of big cars, big houses, and big TV’s. But it’s a lesson we all need to learn. And learn it we will, one way or the other.

  • Guest7969 says:

    as a young adult…you don’t know SQUAT! Your still in your STUPID stage of life…what your saying is…I want what other people have and HEY…I have that in common with the guys on welfare..they want the same thing I want…OTHER PEOPLES STUFF…

    Go look up COVET….THAT is what you are doing here…I wouldn’t call the movement a SUCCESS…your a VERY VERY small percentage of the 99% you claim to be!

  • Guest7969 says:

    When NANCY PELOSI comes out in praise of a movement…

    1. You KNOW you should be against it!
    2. You should pay attention to both hands…cause one is hiding something!

  • Guest7969 says:

    what I have seen on TV…the people in your little movement couldn’t form a coherent sentence, much less a paragraph…they can’t even wipe their own rear ends without government toilet paper!

  • zipper says:

    preach on brother.

  • john says:

    Nobody is protesting that people are too rich. What they are protesting is that 1% of the population has gotten rich from a counterfeiting scheme called the Federal Reserve. They create money with a click of a computer key and then charge interest on money that they just created. Nothing backs that money except for the labor of the 99%. So when the Fed sells a bond, they are selling you! They are selling your labor! Now isn’t that the definition of slavery? You bet it is so keep waving your little flags and pumping your chests about how “free” you are in this country when in reality, you have been sold on the block many times over, slave.

  • Commonsensenotcommontoday says:

    I’m quite comfortable because of Wall Street. I do my own research and invest based upon my own understanding and predictions of world markets.

    You don’t get it, do you? A CEO is ONLY obligated to the shareholders. He has an obligation to maximize their profit and if laying off 5,000 workers makes the stock go up a dollar, THAT’S WHAT IT’S ALL ABOUT. A corporation is not created to be a social welfare program – it’s created to maximize profit for the owners.

    How can you people be so ignirant and/or naive and expect to run the world? You don’t even know why a corporation is created!

  • Betony says:

    Lighten up! From what I heard, it was explained to the media that Saturday afternoon would be the first time information would be available. Channel 6 indicates it has a reporter at the Sat. afternoon meeting. Doesn’t sound like a media blackout to me.

  • Pedantic Pete says:

    Not my movement, sunshine.

    Not even my country.

  • Commonsensenotcommontoday says:

    …the collapse of the Soviet Union and global Communism, which proved their naive, childish ideas simply don’t work.

    They are bums who produce nothing, but simply feel entitled to the success and wealth of others.

  • Guest:guest says:

    Commonsense, I agree. When I saw Van Jones, a self proclaiming Communist heading up the group on Wall Street, it didn’t take much to figure out the agenda. There is an effort in this country to overthrow our government. They will not be happy until they do. One has to question why President Obama had him as one of his czars if he didn’t feel comfortable with his agenda. They are seeking total government control over our lives. In order for this to happen, they have to destroy the free market.

  • openarms says:

    We welcome everybody to come join from all spectrums! From Tea Party conservatives to Marxist socialists, we’d like everybody to join. Everyone has their own voice of why they’d come down to join and we think everybody’s voice has a right to be heard. Something has to be done to fix things and we think everybody can get involved to do so!

  • Guest5678 says:

    privilege who are so ashamed of the massive carbon footprint of their pampered upbringing that they feel like the must half halfheartedly atone in some way. The ones in NY are hysterical. “We’re stickin’ it to da man! Take that…dad! Oh by the way dad, when you leave your Wall Street investment bank for lunch, can I have some money from my trust fund to buy Starbucks coffees and Che Guevara t-shirts for me and my anti-establishment friends?” It’s funny these anti-wealth protesters are using Facebook – a multi-billion dollar company which charges money for advertising. I guess when you’ve had it ridiculously easy for your entire life, you have to invent things to gripe about.

  • SMG says:

    At 53, I’m not a trust fund kid. Thanks for not even bothering to read the documents put out by OccupyWallStreet. I am a tax payer, employee, parent, offspring, middle-class member (but not for long, probably!), who refuses to stand by while the corporations purchase the country right out from under my feet.
    It’s so nice of you to point fingers when you know not of what you speak.

  • Keenen Altic says:

    Are you saying that greed is a necessity to produce goods and services? If so, then maybe you should reconsider the thought that global food and gas prices have shot up due to “high taxes”. Ya know the ones that don’t exist. Tell me what you know about Wall Street and the Bolshevik revolution? Anything? Let’s see who’s the naive one.

  • Not_Impressed says:

    So, Saturday there will be a group of trust fund kids out at Greenfield Park……

    I’m sure none of them will be out there with their iPhones and iPads, wearing name brand clothing, while denouncing greed and capitalism. That would never happen right?

    Oh yeah, I forgot. It’s happening right now in NYC. Great job.

  • robo says:

    At age 53, you should be able to see that the problem is in Washington, not on Wall Street.

  • guesty says:

    Yes, we should take away from those that worked to earn money and just give it to those that didn’t lift a finger to earn anything. These losers expect to be paid because they mastered the ability to take up space and breathe.

  • SMG says:

    Obviously, from the comments and the reporting, you aren’t reading the documents provided by OccupyWallStreet. Try again, please.
    Signed…a 53 year old, who is NOT a college student, NOT unemployed, IS a taxpayer and IS one of the 99%.

    ps. Education is a good thing. You should use it.

  • Guest7969 says:

    just as I thought..against the EVIL CORPORATIONS..blah blah blah…

  • Guest99x says:

    Hey SMG, you’re missing an important point here. There are folks who really think that shuffling paper on Wall Street is in fact investing… When these “investors” make money, they expect to pay taxes at a discount rate on these trading profits. Some of them even believe that they should pay no taxes at all on these profits. Talk about “entitlements”….

  • Commonsensenotcommontoday says:

    Hoping to find some young Marxist chick to help you regain your youth? (Hint: They don’t know who the Jefferson Airplane is, and they don’t say, “Groovy” any more.)

    Don’t forget the Cialis, pot, and condoms. Whatever you do, don’t forget the condoms! They’re cute, but they’re like little Petri dishes.

    Now, on a serious note, if you’re fifty-three and truly believe the we need to get rid of Capitalism and confiscate wealth to redistribute it, I can only imagine what a financial disaster your life has been.

  • bsmit71 says:

    You are seriously retarded. Of that 50% 25% of them are on social security and retiree benefits. The whole 50% of them own a total of 1.4 trillion in assets…which would barely be enough to settle 1 years deficit if we took EVERYTHING they own.

    Rich people don’t create jobs… entrepreneurs create jobs..most are middle class.

    Companies/Corporations are already sitting on record profits and cash reserves and aren’t making jobs anyway.

    If you want to not sound stupid… try some facts

  • Guest7969 says:

    bunch of misguided IDIOTS in this group….OH MY the EVIL RICH!! All the while 50% of Americans pay NO TAXES AT ALL!!!…so WHO are the evil here…the people MOOCHING off the system thinking the government OWES them…or the rich out there creating JOBS….

    Its called COVETING people…

    If you want to be rich…here’s an idea…WORK FOR IT!!!

  • robo says:

    Companies are not making jobs because our tax structure is so high we can’t compete in the world economy. And where do you think entrepreneurs get their money, from rich venture capitalists or the banks. You sound uneducated.

  • Guest: guest says:

    If this wasn’t so serious an issue, your comment would be laughable. You stated that rich people don’t create jobs, entrepreneurs create jobs. Most “rich” people are entrepreneurs. Most started small and worked hard and became rich because of it. The same people who are chiding Wall Street are the very ones who use computers, cell phones, etc. The same people who are demonized by politicans are the very people who started small and were suscessful. Steve Jobs, Bill Gates just to name a few. They were entrepreneurs with an idea and you people hate them because they were suscessful. How very sad. Think of how many people Steve Jobs and Bill Gates have employed….how did they become evil? I am ashamed of what our country has become. Guess what…..YOU DON’T HAVE TO BE RICH TO BE GREEDY! God help me NEVER to COVET anything I haven’t earned thru the sweat of my own brow!!

  • Guest7969 says:

    you proved my point…first you can be on SS and be mooching the system…I won’t touch retirement because they earned that…WHO do you think owns companies and invests in new enterprise…HINT..it ISN’T the 50% on the federal system. I heard a representative of this group say…and this is almost exactly what she said…Is it money that drives entrepreneurship or is it because you want to feel good…I can tell you that ANYONE that invests in a new product isn’t doing it because they want to feel good….do you HONESTLY think Steve Jobs would have kept busting his hump to move Apple forward to FEEL GOOD about himself?

    You know why companies are making money…BECAUSE THEY SHOULD! You know who is REAPING the benefits that those EVIL corporations….people with 401K accounts and investments!

    YOU SIR are the moron…please take yourself out of the gene pool IMMEDIATELY! Your part of the PROBLEM and certainly not part of the solution!

    ITS CALLED CAPITALISM…if you want a different system..BUY A PLANE TICKET!

  • Guest7969 says:

    one last thing…your assertion that the EVIL corporations aren’t making jobs…ever hear of GE…they are hiring…how about that evil corporation known as…MARVEL AND PARAMOUNT…the ones getting ready to hire TONS of help and spend MILLIONS of dollars in Wilmington…go climb back in you hole and for GOD’s SAKE DON’T VOTE IN 2012!

  • Commonsensenotcommontoday says:

    The corporations sitting on those record profits made that money legitimately and it’s THEIRS.

    Got it? It’s THEIRS, NOT YOURS. NOT THE GOVERNMENT’S.

    For FY 2008, the top one percentile of taxpayers in this country pay 38% of all personal income taxes…..so much for that lying bast**d saying that they aren’t paying their fair share, and all you foolish little children who believe him.

  • Guest99x says:

    Common, where’d you get that statistic? The top 1 percent pays 30.8% of personal taxes. They also control 49.7% of total investment assets….

    If you happen to be one of them, a top one percenter, Common, GOOD for YOU!!! Otherwise, you are doing a great job cheering for their interests.

    The rich aren’t paying their proportionate share of taxes, corporate interests are gouging the American public, politicians are self absorbed and ineffectual to solve problems and you are none better than a petulant child. If there were the slightest ring of creativity in your name-calling it could be entertaining.

  • Keenen Altic says:

    It is very sad that you don’t realize corporations spend so much money, that could otherwise go towards hiring workers, on lobbying politicians for more subsidies and tax holidays which is our money. They are using “legal” channels to steal our money. The only reason it is legal is because people like you don’t realize what is going on.

  • Guest2020 says:

    And it’s not just the people that Bill Gates and Steve Jobs have hired. You have the companies that make the components for computers. You have the companies that have made the software for those computers. And think of all those businesses who exist because of the internet–Amazon, E-bay, Google, just to name a few. That’s one thing about capitalism is we are all connected to each other and thrive because of each other.

  • Guest7969 says:

    BUY THEIR PRODUCTS AND SERVICES MORON!!! If you don’t like it…go wilderness and PROVE you mean what you say..until then..get in the back seat!

  • Commonsensenotcommontoday says:

    “The rich aren’t paying their proportionate share of taxes”

    That’s nothing more than your class-warfare ranting. I think they’re being raked over the coals in a country where we promise “equal treatment of law” in our constitution.

    Also, I’m very sorry of ytou find my calling Obama a lying bast**d unoriginal and uncreative, but the good old reliables are often best when they’re precisely accurate.

  • robo says:

    You welcome Marxists. No thanks, I’ll pass. Have you visited the Soviet Union lately?

  • Commonsensenotcommontoday says:

    This obviously contrived protest movement is simply a desperate attempt to deflect attention from the real problem in this country; a president who wants to destroy America and its way of life, and the foolish, naive little Sesame Street graduates who think we all need to share the cookies.

    I EARNED mine. Go earn yours.

  • Keenen Altic says:

    It isn’t called the Soviet Union anymore.

  • Reginald Denny says:

    Where is the “like” button on this comment???

  • Guest7969 says:

    you STUPID!? There is NOTHING a red blooded TAX PAYING American has in common, EVEN REMOTELY, with a Marxists….in my book..the Socialists and Marxists…can EXIT STAGE LEFT! This is a republic built on freedom and capitalism…we the people…the ones who ACTUALLY PAY THE BILLS…like it the way it is…I EARNED every penny I have…and the moochers STEAL from my children every pay check!

  • Commonsensenotcommontoday says:

    They built their economic system around the ideals espoused by these ignorant little leeches and it blew up in their face.

  • SMG says:

    Too bad you have no clue on what this movement is about, but go ahead and continue to spread your incorrect information…those who spend a few minutes reading the documents from OccupyWallStreet will understand. We are the 99%. YOU are the 99%. You are raging against yourself. Join us on Saturday.
    Signed, a 53 year old “kid” (not) of privilege.

  • Guest7969 says:

    When you guys say that Marxist socialist have a voice…you’ve LOST ME…they want to DESTROY this country…so I have NOTHING in common with them…second…you guys thing that a sense of feeling good moves innovation forward…do you think Steve Jobs would have taken Apple as far as he did for a sense of feeling GOOD…if you say yes…YOUR AN IDIOT! People work hard to BETTER THEIR LIVES…and that takes CASH!

  • Hopeful says:

    I support the protesters. For those of you who do not believe in a large protest movement, you may stay home and remain apathetic. No one is asking you to leave the comfort of your arm chair, so you need not feel threatened by the possibility of change that may benefit you. The First Amendment of the Constitution gives citizens the right to protest and redress the government, and the 99% are simply exercising their right. There is a huge majority that consists of a variety of educated and skilled individuals who are hurting and jobless through no fault of their own, feeling disenfranchised and unheard. They have no one representing their interests — you have no one representing your interests, either, from what I have witnessed. I believe their goal is to make their presence known and speak intelligently, without vitriol and soundbites and without the media deciding what is to be heard by the general public, and then telling them what to think. If you, the apathetic and against protest movements, who criticize in a vitriolic manner others with whom you do not agree, it will not help you to criticize from a position of ignorance. State your case with some facts and intelligence, otherwise, you are just making noise that is mean-spirited. Part of the protest includes a desire to be treated with respect, not just during the protest, but as a matter of regular practice; I know I am weary of the name calling and mean spirit towards the protesters, liberals, progressives. Can’t we have a constructive conversation without stereotype, i.e., calling people bums and losers and even worse than that? Yes, you are exercising your First Amendment Right to free speech, and I would fight for you to do that. But, please, before you make these knee jerk statements, actually READ the Mission Statement from OccupyWallStreet, then tell me you find common ground in that statement. I’m glad that people are getting into the streets. Normally, change only happens with an occupation, a soldier and a gun. Perhaps, it might happen now through peaceful action of us occupying our own streets. Hopeful.

  • Commonsensenotcommontoday says:

    The reason that sane people say mean, bad things about liberals is because we hate you. All you want to do is TAKE what is not yours. You expect the successful members of society to carry the lazy and the incompetent. You picture life as some great big Barney show where we all love each other and share everything. Even if you don’t work the government should ensure that your life is wonderful.

    Meanwhile, people with their feet planted firmly on the ground reject your notion of the government playing Robin Hood. Those of us who have studied history and economics know that wealth redistribution invariably leads to economic collapse because everybody stops trying to better themselves.

    So if I treat you with no respect it’s because I don’t respect you. You are thieves who want to take what is mine, but don’t have the intestinal fortitude to approach me with a gun. You want the government to do the muscle work.

    Basically, you ARE all bums and losers….or total suckers…and I’m sure a few of you sincerely believe that Communism will work if we only give it a bit longer than the Soviet Union’s seventy-five years.

  • Guest7969 says:

    NOT 99%…maybe .01% of the 99% are spewing out crap they don’t know anything about…please don’t include me in your drivel!

  • Guest5150 says:

    talk all about the “greed” of Wall Street and the elite “rich”. Let me get this straight. As long as you haven’t worked as hard as those evil, filthy, rich people and you want their hard earned money it’s not considered greed. I am placing a challenge here and now to the occupy wall street crowd. First of all I want you to define for me what amount of money makes a person “rich” and/or “poor”. Secondly I want you to find me a “poor” person that is capable of starting a successful business and hiring several employees. Finally I want you to research the names of the richest people in America at this very moment. Don’t think it will suprise you much to find the majority of them are registered Democrats……. PS. This is coming from a “middle class” person as you would define it……..

  • Keenen Altic says:

    Hard earned money? They sit in their board rooms think tanking about how they can lobby the government for higher tax returns and produce more or the same amount of goods with less employees. Corporations are laying people off right and left while their profits soar and you’re saying these folks without jobs are lazy?

  • Homer Simpson says:

    Too bad they don’t know the real cause of America’s collapse.

    When Barney Frank decided Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac would give loans to millions of people that could not pay back money lent to them thru Banks and Mortgage companies, the economy stumbled.

    Yes, the evil banks lent the money. They were required to. You see, everybody wanted twice what they could actually afford, and thus the downfall of home values.”We’ll flip it in a year”. All that was needed to get a home loan was a pulse.

    This “movement” stands for nothing. This “movement” stands for everything. That’s why no one is talking. “Nobody loves me, everybody hates me, I’m gonna eat some worms. Quit bellyaching and work to fix it. But, alas, that takes WORK, not a light class schedule.

    Look closely at the signs protestors are holding in NYC. Everything from save the whale, to don’t add anything to my sugar pops.

    Many are students that, instead of protesting the grossly overpaid college professors, they want Joe Taxpayer to pay for their college education.

    That’s OK. If I pay for your education, you pay for my house and car.
    Oh wait, that’s not a deal for you is it. The reason college is so expensive is that Uncle Sam pays the bills.

    They want the nanny state.

    They voted for Hope and Change. Now that it’s here, they have to blame anyone other than the Congressmen and policies that have put us there.

    What really gripes me is that “Stars” show up to show solidarity with them. These “Stars” have promoted the policies that have caused the mess we’re in. “We are one of you”, as they get on the private jet going to their home in Monaco.

    They say the crowd in NYC will be there during the winter. I hope so.

    This is the slow season for watching idiots on tv. They will have a successful mini-series.

    They know it all, all being how to make a “double-decaffeinated half-cafe latte” with a percodan jelly filled doughnut.

    So bring all the i-pads, i-phones, and all the i-stoops you can find to the lake.

    I hope no one falls in, that would be water pollution.

  • Keenen Altic says:

    So your answer to the problem is to ensure that this happens over and over again by deregulated the stock market? You do realize that is what caused the mess? You do realize that the bankers panic of 1907 happened in an unregulated market and JP Morgan ran away with other peoples money? Then he used his crime to set up the Fed as a fake regulatory agency he could use to bail himself out. Enron pulled the same stunt in 2001.

  • Keenen Altic says:

    If Wall Street is communist then why are you supporting it?

  • Guest5150 says:

    You have the typical liberal response to my questions. You change the subject. Where in my post did I mention anything about being lazy? Your response is typical of the wealth envy crowd. You and your ilk are the greedy ones. You want to determine how much a company can or cannot make. Instead of a gun you use the goverment to take the business hostage and steal from them. How is that different than walking up to someone and demand them to hand over their wallet? What is stopping these protesters from getting a better education, working harder and taking risks to start up a business? See that is where the lazy part comes into play. Personal motivation and sacrifice usually yields rewards. When the goverment steps into the mix to take those rewards it is legalized theft…

  • guesty says:

    Just because you have never held a job where you were paid by what you can do with your mind vs paid by what manual labor you can do. Want more money in your pocket, get smarter and work smarter.

  • Guest7969 says:

    they are laying of people for SURVIVAL of the company idiot! Guess who PROFITS from those soaring profits?!!! ANYBODY with a 401K or stocks…if you covet what they make…GET OFF YOUR ARSE and work your way up to take their spot! You are trying to make corporations sound like a single evil invididual…corporations are owned by their share holders and run by boards and CEO’s that are appointed…buy some stock and profit for yourself…NOW is the time to buy into the market if you aren’t in now!

  • Guestsomeskills says:

    like someone is jealous b/c they did not study hard enough to get a good education and job skills that were relavent to the surrounding environment. If unemployment benefits were cut off, I would be willing to be that people would develop a new business or gain skills that would make them viable in todays society. We would then be able to see who the lazy unemployed are.

  • It's Fouche Again says:


    I, Fouche, formally extend an invitation to engage in intellectual discourse to Guest5150, Guestsomeskills, Guest7969 and guesty in regards to the subjects established within this sub-thread. As you have referred to the crowd of people I whole-heartedly represent as “ilk”, “liberal”, “lazy”, “jealous” and referred to us as supporters of theft (“…you use the government to take the business hostage and steal from them.[sic]”) it should not be all that difficult to prove your superior intellect and knowledge of economics, politics and the general functioning of the world. As I desire for this to be discussion with some degree of intelligence behind it, it will of course be necessary to back arguments with sources and refrain from name calling.

    1. (Guest5150) The first problem lies in the fact that you have somehow managed to pull the Liberal political view into this. On its own this wouldn’t be a problem but, you issue a challenge to the “occupy wall street crowd” a few sentences later within the same paragraph. If you simply forgot to start a new paragraph when you changed subject matter then you have attempted to use a non-sequitur to support your assertion and therefore nullified its validity.(Public Speaking Handbook, 3rd Edition. Allyn & Bacon, 2010) If you did not intend to start a new paragraph and thus were remaining on the same subject when challenging the Occupy Wall Street members then you attempted to use a hasty generalization fallacy to endorse your point and therefore rendered it moot.(Allyn & Bacon, 2010)

    2. In terms of your initial challenge to define, in terms of income, what constitutes rich and poor, I can only give you the government’s legal definition of the poverty threshold. In 2010, a single individual under the age of 65 was considered living in poverty if they had an income below $11,139.00. (http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/data/incpovhlth/2010/tables.html) As far as determining what income level constitutes being rich, my best quantification would be at a level higher than the 2010 median salary for full-time, year-round workers. Men made an average of $47,715.00 a year and women made an average of $36,931.00 a year, so it would have to be above those levels.(http://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/p60-239.pdf) I cannot further refine the definition as that is drifting dangerously into the arena of opinion.

    3. Asking me to find a poor person who is capable of starting a business and then hiring several employees to staff it doesn’t accomplish much as a sentence. If you’re trying to assert they don’t have a lot of money…well, yeah, an overwhelming majority of the US population understands the definition of the word poor. If, though hopefully improbably, you are implying that a poor person lacks the ability to to profitably manage a business than you are demonstrating classissm. (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/classissm) Whether or not I did find a person of low income who could run a business capable of hiring multiple employees it doesn’t prove a point at all. At best you are engaging in use of use of the bandwagon fallacy which would render any point you were trying to make obsolete.(Allyn & Bacon, 2010)

    I’ll stop for now and allow any of the aforementioned individuals respond or for someone else to respond in their defense. But, before you automatically try to point to me as any of the labels you’ve previously used I’m going to head that one off. I work full-time on third shift as a shift supervisor and have done so for over 2.5 years. I do so to put myself through college where I am finishing up earning my Degree in Middle Grades Education with a Minor in History. Oh yeah, on top of that, I live below the poverty line for New Hanover County and I do not receive food stamps nor welfare assistance.


  • Wade griffis says:

    It is funny that right wingers complain that CH-3 is Liberal and left wingers wingers complain that they are Conservative.

    I do not own any stock in this company.

    Maybe they are just reporting the follies of the Right and the Left.

  • Guest121183 says:

    or maybe it’s because he doesn’t like WWAY and the station’s right wing, tabloid agenda and its leadership. that’s why i would never do an interview with your station.

  • Guest7969 says:

    matter…I don’t care what the left wing liberal nut job has to say anyway!

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