Marines in urinating video from Lejeune; USMC commandant responds


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Submitted: Fri, 01/13/2012 - 4:49am
Updated: Fri, 01/13/2012 - 3:29pm
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JACKSONVILLE, NC (WWAY) — An official has told the Associated Press that the Marine Corps has identified at least two of the four Marines in an internet video that purports to depict them urinating on Taliban corpses in Afghanistan.

The Marine official told the AP that the four were members of the 3rd Battalion, 2nd Marines, which returned to their home base at Camp Lejeune last fall after a tour in Afghanistan. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because a criminal investigation is under way.

In a statement, Gen. James F. Amos, commandant of the Marine Corps said he has reviewed the video.

“I want to be clear and unambiguous, the behavior depicted in the video is wholly inconsistent with the high standards of conduct and warrior ethos that we have demonstrated throughout our history,” Gen. Amos said. “Accordingly, late yesterday I requested that the Naval Criminal Investigative Service pull together a team of their very best agents and immediately assign them responsibility to thoroughly investigate every aspect of the filmed event. Additionally, I am assigning a Marine General Officer and senior attorney, both with extensive combat experience, to head up an internal Preliminary Inquiry into the matter. Once the investigation and Preliminary Inquiry are complete and the facts have been determined, then the Marine Corps will take the appropriate next steps. Rest assured that the institution of the Marine Corps will not rest until the allegations and the events surrounding them have been resolved. We remain fully committed to upholding the Geneva Convention, the Laws of War, and our own core values.”

The official who spoke to the AP said that at least some of the four Marines are no longer in that battalion. He provided no other details.

59 Comments

  • Guest127896254 says:

    Took their very lives, sent them into eternity, removed them from existence and what people find so horrifying is that they peed on them after shredding their vital organs with bullets! LOL! When I’m dead, pee all over me. I promise I won’t care. If it’s a beautiful woman, all the better.

  • Guest west L.A. says:

    Did someone mention Snooki Pantano on here? The same guy who mentions he was in the Marines every time he opens his mouth?The one who got his butt beat in 2010?He needs to go back to the Jersey Shore and run for something.But everyone up there knows hes a know it all piece of crap. Thats why he ran down here on his wifes coat tails and checkbook!

  • Black says:

    This is no honor in this. Fallen soldiers or enemies in any battle should be treated with more respect considering they are no longer alive and entering some sort of afterlife.

  • Integrity says:

    The United States Marines are one of the most respected well-trained fighting forces on the face of the earth. We, as Americans, choke up with pride when we see them. The Marines are the ones who are called upon for the toughest of assignments. They stand for honor, for dignity, for morality….what these men did; even in war is not the behavior of a United States Marine. We cannot allow them to tarnish the reputation of the Marine Corps.

  • Guest CommonTater says:

    I think it’s interesting we are stressing over peeing on them but putting a bullet in them doesn’t draw such ire? I wonder which the victims would rather be, urinated on or shot dead! Forum entities… lmao…

    I don’t have a problem with either myself….

  • dittos says:

    …pissing on the bad guys….sooooooo what’s the big deal? Love me some marines!OORAH!!

  • Robert Green says:

    Do not be naive enought to think in the history of all U.S theatres of war,that this is the first time poor judgement has been used by American soldiers.While it is a unprofessional act,when engaged in combat you have to give them some leniency.Combat is a stressful environment that clouds judgement from time to time but overall these young men get the job done that they were asked to do.That is kill the enemy.Once you flip the switch to this mentality, it is game on until it is time to assimilate back into the “civilized’ world.You are either the hunted or the hunter in combat, therefore it is a sense of relief to survive another day.These young men were venting their relief, although an immature act.You have to let it go.The PC media ,government officials and military brass will let it be a big dog and pony show because from the comfort of their homes it is easy to play armchair QB. Put a weapon in their hands and on occasion in a high stress environment they would act irrational and irresponsible.The high tech gadgets that are now mainstream make it much easier to disseminate images that have no business leaving the theatre of operation.

  • Grimaldy says:

    So you and General James Amos, the Marine Corp Commandant have different ideas about this.

    Maybe that is why he is Commandant and you are not?

  • Chuco says:

    My first question is where is the leadership? I am sure some of our younger leaders are asking themselves what they would have done in that situation. It is a tough dilemma for any leader, this enemy is treacherous. As leaders we know our personal beliefs and philsophies and we know and are guided by the Corps Values.
    We also know how to train Marines to fight aggressively and win; and we know our leadership responsibility.

    Any person that wants to be a leader bears along with that authority, the ultimate and heaviest responsibility. As leaders, it is up to us to inculcate our Marines with a fighting spirit and the values that guide our Corps and country. As leaders it is our duty to lead, guide, and mentor our Marines. We set the moral compass toward the Corps Values. We must put those ideals into action by our own example, and setting a strong leadership climate.

  • Dennis Latham says:

    Semper Fi, this is war. You can’t train men to kill and then listen to yuppie paintball media people on how to fight a war. I get so tired of seeing America bend to the whims of these terrorists. Urinating on a dead enemy isn’t something that should have even made the news. Now they will blame all failed policy in this war on those Marines. What a joke.

  • John says:

    We have seen our dead servicemen dragged behind trucks with signs around their necks, we have seen them put up against the wall and AK 47’s emptied into their dead bodies. We have watched videos of marine corp barracks blown apart and bodies laying all over the area and we watched on television as people from that place dancing in the street on 9-11. Now we send these young men into harms way and don’t expect an emotional response after a fire fight. I wish I was young enough to have been there with them, to tell these nice people to have a nice day. Anyone, politicians or bureaucrat’s that berate our troops for this act are traitors and un-AMERICAN. I for one think they are hero’s fighting a war that most politicians and bureaucrat’s have not and would not tread.
    SEMPER FI

  • Das Weibstück says:

    Maybe its just me but I watched that video 5 times (small & full screen) and I did not see any urine. It looked to me as if they were all faking taking a leak. I didnt see any “pink” where a penis should be if being held to urinate. Looks like a bit of joking around over some dead guys.

    Hey… at least the Marines didn’t CUT their heads off while they were still alive like the sand-fleas do to Americans !

  • Guest578737 says:

    I have been where they were and I’ll tell you what, the actions of these marines were deplorable! You say that they should not be punished for their WAR CRIMES you are absolutely wrong. They decreased our Uniform and our Country. They need to be Court Marshaled and kicked out of the Marine Corps and then Indicted for committing war crimes. Especially since this is exactly the type of material that the Taliban use to recruit thousands more to their cause. So all of you that think that this is not a big deal but those thoughts on the backs of the sons and daughter that won’t becoming home due to this video.

  • william says:

    I do not have a problem with it, look at what they do to our dead soldiers, it is alot worse than what our guys did. So will the neg commets, if it was our soldiers there dead I guess it would be ok.

  • Patrick DeMent says:

    It goes without saying that the video recorded urination by Marines on enemy corpses cannot be tolerated..for some very good reasons..not the least of which is the necessity of maintaining good order and discipline..Unit cohesion depends on it..If we lose that, we lose everything..absolutely everything.

    That said, I think the leadership should show a little “good order and discipline” themselves…Clearly, these Marines actions deserve an investigation..and likely a low level field grade punishment..Loss of rank, pay….That’s it!!

    To those who insist on publicly stripping these men down and trashing them for political motives (or any other reason) please, first, strip them of their combat awards, Purple Hearts, Silver Stars etc..

    After all, we don’t want anyone to know that they actually sacrificed everything so our children could sleep safely at night and so women, little girls and boys of Afghanistan could have a decent shot at growing up, attending school and having a chance to build a nation free of the unspeakable tyranny of the Taliban and Al Quaida..

    Then let’em get back to their work..Obviously, they’re damn good at it.

    Semper Fi
    from Vietnam, 1968/69

  • Guest14589 says:

    We can blow people of questionable identify to kingdom come with drones. We can send Navy SEALs from DevGru on what was essentially an assassination mission to put a bullet in the heads of mostly unarmed people, steal the corpse of one of them and dump it in the ocean. We can send these specific Marines to kill these Taliban but peeing on a corpse after they filled it with bullets is such an atrocious act? Somehow I don’t think the urine was the worst thing to happen to the former occupant of that corpse that day.

  • If it were you or a family member over there and you saw them pissing on the Taliban I am quite sure you would cheer and root them on as they are risking their lives for us while they are serving. What a WASTE of money to investigate just who it was when you can plainly see their faces and know what squad they are serving in. Of course, it is a sign of their frustration at being there in the 1st place, but I am sure they are not the 1st soldiers to ever piss on a body while serving their country. What about all the Muslims over there that do worse to our soldiers when they kill or capture them and film just what they do and send it out over the internet for the whole world to see. Of course, we Americans are supposed to be perfect while the rest of the world is not?

  • Guest 5600 says:

    This video will get more Americans killed. As a former Marine, I hope their actions do not put the remainder of their unit (still deployed…) in harm’s way. As with Abu Grabe, it will serve as a recruiting tool and fundraising vehicle for insurgents and undermine all the good the unit – and the Marine Corps – and our Armed Forces – and the United States – and our tax dollars – and our Allies – has done over there.

  • Truthseeker says:

    Who gives a damn about some dead enemy terroist getting urinated on. I certainly do not and I am a disabled veteran. If still in I would use them as grease for my tank tracks. Only some liberal crybabies who have never worn a uniform get upset. To hell with them, give these Marines a medal!

  • RW48 says:

    I hope the grunts had go aim!

    Sgt Grit need a new bumper sticker to sell. ” Piss on em all”

    God Bless the grunts!

    RW
    Sgt USMC 1968-1970

  • N. KELLO says:

    THIS IS NOT THE BEST SUBJECT TO TALK ABOUT BUT, YOU ASK A MARINE TO PUT HIS LIFE ON THE LINE FOR YOU AND YOU WANT TO PUNISH TRHEM FOR THAT? WHAT IDIOT TOOK THE VIDEO? CHEW THEM OUT PUBLICLY AND PUT BACK TO WORK. I WOULD NOT HAVE DONE THIS IN MY TIME IN THE CORPS BUT, BACK OFF AND LET’S WIN SOMETHING FOR A CHANGE.

  • Guest_99x says:

    1165, let’s not let the secret out that Pantano is Mike McIntyre’s greatest campaign resource. It is amusing that whenever one of the local chickenhawks gets pinned they dig into their imagination and ask whether WE have been “on patrol” or “walked a post”….

    Desecrating corpses does not represent the moral ascendancy that many of us Americans believe in and have fought for.

  • Guest1165 says:

    I didn’t say they were Marines, I just said they must be good teachers. Can you comprehend past the 5th grade level?
    Your other answer: Yes, more than a few times.

  • SurfCityTom says:

    Calley & Medina were Army; not Marines.

    Calley’s troops took action against civilians who were in a village which had inflicted live round firing on the troops.

    Calley was charged and sentenced. Medina went on to a succesful career in business.

    Have you ever walked a post or gone on patrol?

  • Guest1165 says:

    They had a long line of good teachers; Lt. Calley, Cpt. Medina, and also POS Pantano.

  • Reginald Denny says:

    Who are you to say my “moral code is out of whack”… you dont even know me. I have never walked around looking to see what i can get away with, I choose right from wrong and have done so throughout my life. I just do not think they should have allowed it to be recorded and subsequently, released. Perhaps if you could show me in the bible where it says “Thall shall not urinate on thy fallen enemies after they tryeth to kill you” I might give a damn, but when when muslim extremist started this war and ever since, conducted operations consistantly outside of the Geneva Convention, All bets are off. Thank You for your service though.

  • John says:

    This act is deplorable period. It doesn’t matter if they made a video or not. It became deplorable the moment the act happened. These men chose to dishonor themselves, and the uniform they wear the moment they decided to engage in such an act. Your moral code is out of whack thinking you can do dispicable acts and it’s okay as long as you don’t get caught.

  • Guest777 says:

    Once more, I call on Pantano to have the guts to hold a press conference about this incident and endorse the actions of these unlawful Marines. When I was in Iraq (3 deployments-Army), we knew and obeyed the rules of engagement because we were winning minds as well as real estate. General Petraeus in all of his books never suggested pissing on your enemies or shooting them 60 times as part of the counterinsurgency fight..I assure you!
    I urge everyone to look up icasualties.org. Pantano’s shooting was in April 2004. Look at the alarming spike in American deaths in the months following April 2004. When we make the enemy mad through senseless acts, fellow Soldiers pay with their lives.
    By the way, we all know Pantano was going to be charged with conduct unbecoming an officer as well as other violations thus ending his Marine career, so he resigned in disgrace. This was all under President Bush’s administration, folks. This was not some liberal witchhunt.
    Let’s join together to praise great members of the service and prosecute members not meeting the standards and/or rules of engagement.
    HOOAH!

  • Grand Ole Party says:

    We checked your remarks on the deceased store robber, and it confirms that you are a blooming idiot.

  • Guest_99x says:

    Ohhhhh Rah, Grand old Geezer. You are another nothing living out your fantasies shot from another man’s gun. Are you a war hero too or are you just another loser thinking you are doing something of worth, being paid by your fellow taxpayers?

  • Guest461 says:

    …I would like to recommend that the harshest penalties are applied to two people (that may possibly be one and the same): The idiot that recorded the video and the idiot that exploited it!

  • Guest_99x says:

    Check my remarks in the thread on the deceased store robber…. this guy common is an imposter. He is a disgrace to any real man or woman who has served our country. A true “professional” would remain silent.

  • Commonsensenotcommontoday says:

    That’s my official position. Give me the charge sheets – I’ll write them up.

    Meanwhile, let’s not pretend this was some horrible war crime. The guy was already dead, but politically correct, rear echelon pansies will force us to sell those four grunts down the river after they went to war for this nation.

    They took a leak on a dead body….OH THE HORROR!

    My personal feeling is that their display is a fitting editorial commentary on ten years of ignoring the Principles of War, of sending men into harm’s way with no intention of actually achieving a victory, and simply refusing to destroy the enemy and his will to fight. They’re only doing what George Bush and Barack Obama have done to them for ten years.

    But heck, if people get this upset about a little pee, I can only imagine the outrage if we started wiping them out by the thousands, as we should have done non-stop until the Taliban was a bad memory.

  • Commonsensenotcommontoday says:

    …you’d have nothing to cry about. Your life would lose all meaning.

  • Guest_99x says:

    Congratulations 777! Great commentary. I see that you have attracted the ire of “461” though. You have really enraged him. I guess that we taxpayers will have to pay for a new set of dentures that he spewed out. Be more careful gramps.

  • Guest777 says:

    I wonder if Pantano will praise and defend these rogue Marines for this unspeakable act of urination on dead bodies? He obviously thinks his actions of shooting unarmed men 60 times (even if it is from the front) is perfectly fine as well as hanging a sign over their dead bodies. When will some people learn that we are fighting as much for a superior moral position in the world as a tactical military position. These unlawful actions by Pantano and his other buddies from Lejune are not winning us any friends in the world. By the way, I am a pro-military republican.

  • Guest757 says:

    oh and everything they do over there is OK with you.

    Lets get real war is HELL and given a chance they would have killed the Marines..

    I just wish the Marines didn’t put it on utube.

    I didn’t know we were looking for friends in war…

    God Bless the Marines and Pantano…

  • Guest461 says:

    HORSEHOOIE! Call yourself what you want, but you’re post describes you as hanging on a subterranean latrine ladder at least 2 rungs BELOW being a Jane Fonda supporter!

  • Commonsensenotcommontoday says:

    You OCD loons can ***LIE*** all you want to about it, but he was never charged with one single crime. Get some professional help and medication.

    BTW, perhaps we should forget about some vague, nebulous “moral position” and try winning a war for the first time since 1945.

    It’s getting absolutely embarrassing.

  • robo says:

    In your ramblings, did you stop to consider that Pantano is not involved in this at all? Pantano was not found guilty of the charge you make. You are very biased.

  • Guest461 says:

    …but they come with more valor and fact than your Jane Fonda imitations!

  • Guest1165 says:

    Anyone that defends POS Pantano is as big a sleazeball as POS Pantano.
    If you think this is right you should beat your mother’s and father’s a– for raising you with no better moral code than you have.

  • Guest_99x says:

    Hey Gramps, you really have to turn off the television. Your R. Lee Ermey imitations are becoming genuinely pathetic.

  • Guest1234 says:

    I think they should be commended

  • Guest757 says:

    I feel the same way you do…. way to go Marines !!!!!

  • Guest7655 says:

    Maybe they were in Pantano’s old platoon and learned it from him.

  • Guest757 says:

    You might be right and that would be why the Marines are alive today. They had a good teacher…

  • Guest461 says:

    ..but one fact is clear. Cowardly sympathizers like you and the rest of the Pantano bashers sure as hell weren’t! You would be too busy scraping the stinking sludge from your tightie-whities…and only then AFTER you quit convulsing with fear!

  • Commonsensenotcommontoday says:

    I’d suggest an Article 15 (NJP) and two weeks restriction for each of them! Urinating on the people who facilitated Al Qaeda’s attack that killed three-thousand innocent civilians on September Eleventh cannot be tolerated.

    (It’s too bad that MREs don’t contain lots of refried beans and greasey burritos.)

  • Guest1165 says:

    You talk like you are retired military, an officer even. You know this is not acceptable behavior yet you continue to act as if it OK.
    Did you counsel your troops to act this way? Are you Ilario Pantano’s dad? If you are then it would explain why he is the way he is.
    If you think this won’t come up and bite us in the a– then you are crazier than I thought. Which is, by the way, saying a lot.
    So were you a professional, or some wet behind the ears hothead who never thinks of the consequences and makes things worse?

  • Guest1022 says:

    I completely agree. But then maybe suspend the restiction.

  • GuestOooRahh says:

    I am so upset I wasn’t there to join them.
    Heres to our fallenand murdered brothers that were killed by the towel heads over in the suck.
    You’re stupid for video taping it but at the same time don’t listed about the outrage cause the majority of Americans widh they could have right there beside you with it whipped out letting the taliban and mirderers of Americans get their shower!
    SemperFi

  • taxpayer says:

    voiced by the White House when the Taliban mutilates the corpse of a dead American? But let our guys pi$$ on a Taliban and the whole world gets in an uproar!

  • John says:

    I completely do not condone this action. As a veteran I hold our military to a higher standard than the dirtbags who attacked us on 9/11. We are better than this. And these Marines absolutely should know that they overstepped there bounds.

  • GuestUmmm says:

    I agree with you on one hand. In an ideal world, our troops should never display this kind of disgusting behavior.

    On the other hand, if the Taliban can behead live Americans, I doubt a little peeing on them after they’re dead is worth raising a stink about.

  • Reginald Denny says:

    They did not over step their bounds in my book, The video poster did.

  • Erlkoenig says:

    Guest777, go do some research instead of regurgitating DNC talking points. And by the way, how disgusted have you been at atrocities committed by Al Qaeda?

    Now this happens and you libs are going to FAKE anger solely to make a pathetic point.

  • Missy says:

    The Marines are representing us, as Americans……and Americans are better than this.

  • Brian says:

    You’re right, Americans are better than this. Instead of politicians sending them to other countries to be killed, they need to be here in the US dealing with internal issues such as urban blight, poverty and political corruption. Other nations have the freedom and right to govern the way they choose, the US needs to stay out of it. Unless and until they attack the US itself.

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