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Goolsby says bill would help clarify NC concealed weapon law

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WILMINGTON, NC (WWAY) -- State law prohibits guns at schools, but a state senator from our area wants to make a slight change that law.

No guns in school is a no brainer, but what happens when your school is also a church? Sen. Thom Goolsby (R-9th District) hopes a new bill will help clarify.

"What this bill does is says you can have a gun at church which also serves as a school during worship services, as long as it does not coincide with a school function," Goolsby said.

Concealed weapons are already allowed on church grounds. Goolsby created the bill after a church in New Hanover County told him members do not feel safe and wanted to make sure all their bases were covered so no one got in trouble.

The group North Carolinians Against Gun Violence says this bill is unnecessary.

"I always thought you had to trust in the lord, not on your gun," activist Gail Neely said.

Neely says by allowing this, the problem may actually get worse.

"Fear perpetuates violence," she said. "There are a lot of underlying causes that make people act in a way that is violent, and there are a lot of things that make people act in a way when they are fearful."

The bill is still in committee in Raleigh. Goolsby says he thinks the bill will pass easily during the current legislative session.

We wanted to know which church inspired Senate Bill 924, but Sen. Goolsby did not want to share that information for privacy concerns.

We also tried to talk with Wilmington Police Chief Ralph Evangelous about expanding the law. He did not want to comment on pending legislation.

We could not reach Sheriff Ed McMahon for comment.

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What everyone for got was

What everyone for got was the seperation of curch and state, the church schools do not fall under the state statutes for education, so there for they do not fall under any other. You can't have it both ways.

Gail Neeley is a paid anti gun shill

Keep in mind that when Gail Neely talks about guns, she's a paid anti-gun shill. She works for NCGV and gets paid $35K a year to fight against your right to keep and bear arms.

Luckily NCGV is almost broke. They spent $42K more last year than they received, and they lost their Executive Director, probably because they didn't have the money to pay her $40K a year any more.

As for trusting in the Lord, the good Lord gave me good sense. He gave me the ability to take care of myself in most situations. My plan is to handle all of the situations that I can so that He doesn't have to miracle me out of something that I should have handled myself.

Guns in Church

"I always thought you had to trust in the lord, not on your gun," activist Gail Neely said."

WELL YA THOUGHT WRONG GAIL.

Jesus told His disciplines to carry two knives on the night the Roman soldiers came to seize Him in the garden.

It also says not to put the Lord to the test.

Thanks Tom, God knows the most mentally deranged individuals have come into churches to attack Christians.

Thanks for defending a Christian's right to self protection from those who wish to persecute believers.

Maybe he should be more

Maybe he should be more worried about the taxes the church is not paying to the county when they have a child care business as they put tax paying small businesses out of business because they cant compete with a non tax paying business.

Pistols on church grounds.

As usual, there is misunderstanding about this proposed law for some. This is not about packing the pews with pistols. Many churches across NC have schools and also hold mid-week services and Bible studies. If a man/woman comes straight from work to church and has a legally concealed weapon in his/her car but is on church/school grounds, they are in violation of the law even if it is summer time or well after school hours. The law is clear...it can not be a school function. In addition, many churches are becoming proactive about protecting their members and pastors. When you preach the gospel, you're gonna make some enemies and unfortunately, recent history has shown us that there are nutheads out there that will come on church grounds and take aim at the pastor and members or continue a domestic dispute at church.
There is nothing confrontational about this law. The NC Against Gun Violence group doesn't want any gun anywhere, period. The statistics are clear...guns in the hands of law abiding citizens are safe. No increased gun violence and no innocent accidental shooting deaths.

The JOBS Senator is clearly

The JOBS Senator is clearly focused on livermush, butterflies, and packing a piece in church. I wish he had managed to get me a job at either Caterpillar or Continental Tire.

Anyone remember?

Does anyone remember all the anti-gun nuts that were against the law allowing concealed weapons into state parks? Now that it is passed, have the parks turned into the Wild West as some libs predicted? No.

Remember liberals, when seconds count, the police are only a few minutes away.

http://www.wwaytv3.com/2011/06/24/big-changes-coming-to-gun-laws-nc

http://www.wwaytv3.com/2011/03/09/bill-would-allow-concealed-guns-parks-...

http://www.wwaytv3.com/2011/12/27/nc-gun-rights-group-pushes-back-local-...

The Baretta Neos in the

The Baretta Neos in the photo is an awesome gun. A bit too bulky for the church but still a great gun. I'd encourage any fellow Tea Party Patriot to check these out.

Concealed carry

I love when people use arguments such as this, "I always thought you had to trust in the lord, not on your gun," activist Gail Neely said.

Yet these folks fail to have any theological basis for the comment. It's like saying, "test the Lord, go stand in front of that truck on 40....got will protect you."

The Bible shows many times that weapons were necessary for personal defense.
"He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”"
—Luke 22:36, NIV

Comments like miss Neely's attempt to make Christians appear in a light that they do not actually exists in. It divorces the fact that if you believe in God, you also must believe in Satan, who does have influence on this planet.

Jesus assumed the right of a man to defend him family by the use of his arms in this quotation
from Him in Luke 11:21-22: "When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in
peace: But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him
all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils."

Peace in a man's palace, a school, a church or home is the result of being armed, not disarmed.

Law abiding citizens, trained in the proper use of firearms, can only enhance the peace of our
communities. Armed homes are a deterrent to violent crime.

Jesus did not prohibit his disciples from having lethal weapons, but instead made sure that at
least some of His disciples had them. He even suggested the method of funding for the purchase
of weapons. "Sell your garment" implies the fairly basic necessity of them being armed during
their travels. This cannot refer to a "spiritual" sword since a "spiritual" money bag and
knapsack and garment would seem to be stretching an interpretation to fit a preconceived idea.

So, Ms Neeley, I would suggest your theology be on mark before you attempt to discredit Christians who honor and support the second amendment and the right to self-defense.

Well said! Well said!

Well said! Well said!

This

is just one of those FEEL GOOD LAWS that do NOTHING but to punish the innocent and law abiding citizens...if I am a CRIMINAL..by nature your laws mean NOTHING and I will carry on as I wish...ridiculous!

Unbelievable!

Have we hit rock bottom yet? Oh yea, where are the jobs, Thom?

worried about the lack of jobs

Why dont you ask your almighty annointed one Barack Obama who wants to stick it to small business owners who create a large majority of jobs in this country not the government, or that idiot Governor Bev Perdue who blew not one but 2 deals which would have brought jobs to the state recently.

rock Bottom?

rock Bottom?

Once again, misplaced priorities

Just as we ignored the outrage of Kelo v. New London and instead focused on the gay marriage amendment, the Senate should be amending the law to allow carrying concealed weapons into restaurants that serve alcohol, as Virginia has done.

I'm not saying bars, but restaurants that derive the majority of their revenue from food sales.

The simple reason is that far more firearms are stolen from vehicles in restaurant parking lots than off the hips of permitees. They would not be allowed to consume alcohol, but at least know that their piece was safe and accounted for, and we'd reduce the number of illegal guns on the street.

WAKE UP

Really are you people that afraid of every little thing or are you that stupid? I do not have a problem with people protecting their families or themselves, what bothers me is why in the name of God would anyone want to take a gun to church or to a bar. You people that think its ok what happens when those guns go off by accident because someone is showing them to someone and a child dies there is no reset button for that. Those people with their right to bare arms nothing wrong with that. I wonder how many of them could go right now and fight in a real war where people die everyday so we can have freedoms? Most people think they can handle a small drink and drive well we know what those results are every weekend. When people start getting shot in bars because they get upset and they have had 1 to many drinks let those people that say its ok to have guns in bars pay the doctor bills and tell those remaining family memmbers that their fathers, mothers, daughters, sons,brothers or sisters won't be coming home ever again because some was drinking and decided he or she would use his or her gun and they got caught in the cross fire

BAR'S TOO!!

Robert T. Willis.....I agree with you 100% BUT I would say bar's too! I am not a drinker but I could be a DD for the night. I have a CCW, as a DD I could not carry in the bar, drink coke and watch the idiots get drunk while carrying my weapon! OR, as a hired bodyguard, follow my employer into a bar with my weapon. NC law already prohibits anyone who is in possession of a gun to drink under the NC GUN CONTROL ACT so, why can I not carry my weapon in the bar of restaurant as long as I an not drinking adult beverages???

Pastor Worley and others

Pastor Worley and others like him would love for his congregation to bring guns in, I'm certain! This is not meaningful legislation; just the Tea-Party pulling his strings.

I don't think that there

I don't think that there should be a law to prohibit guns from schools. If there had been one adult at Chardon High School, at Columbine or at Virginia Tech there probably would have been fewer, if any, innocents who were killed or injured. Outlawing guns on school campuses means that only outlaws will carry guns onto school campuses and the innocents are at the mercy of the shooter.

The shootings at Fort Hood

The shootings at Fort Hood disprove this theory.
Sorry

Vog

Actually, you are wrong. The

Actually, you are wrong. The shooter at Ft. Hood was a trained military man. The people that shoot up the schools aren't and are more likely to be deterred from shooting up a place if they know that someone there may be armed.

Wrong

Really? They disprove it how? You obviously have never been in the military or else you wouldn't be stupid enough to believe that the soldiers on Ft. Hood had access to firearms and ammo. They don't. It's one of the cruel ironies of military life. You almost never see ammunition unless you are being sent into combat or you're on the qualification range. The guns are kept in armored vaults.

The people murdered at Ft. Hood were unarmed and helpless. The people they relied upon to stop the killing were actually civilian police.

Not so fast there.

A US Military installation is just like any city in the US. The vast majority of personnel are not armed. The MPs, Criminal Investigators, and certain secure sites have weapons with ammunition ready to use. Otherwise only on the firing range will you find weapons and ammunition together. The only guns in the Ft Hood facility that day were Hassan, the shooter and the Department of Defense Police that responded. Your theory is the flawed one. Or show your facts.

really????

You obviously never served, do a little research. Military installations are Federal property, no concealed guns allowed, period. All those soldiers, no loaded weapons ever unless on the firing line, except for the Military Police. So no, your snide little remark about Fort Hood is incorrect.

Ft. Hood was a "Gun-Free" zone

For some reason the commander of Ft. Hood saw fit to disarm his soldiers on base. Hassan knew this and took advantage of the large numbers of disarmed victims in waiting for his Islamoterrorist mass murder.

It never would have happened at a Marine Corps base.

Think about where mass murders have occurred. They're all "Gun-Free". "Gun-Free" cities like Chicago and DC have the highest levels of violent crime in the country. It isn't guns causing the violence. Its the lack of self-defense attracting the violence.

Didn't serve?

Sorry to disappoint all of you people who INSIST they know I didn't serve
(20 years - Korean and Vietnam Vet)
Let me explain something that all military personnel DO know.
Anyone who is active military in Texas can purchase a gun, and get a concealed weapon permit.
Hassam did this by asking the gun store clerk for the most sophisticated handgun with the biggest magazine available. He did this in Kileen the town in which Hood is located. If a civilian tried to do that here a sharp clerk would flag that request immediately.
He brought the gun on base and was not challenged in any way, shape, or form. He was not searched when he came on base with that gun. Why? He had a military ID.
Anyone who thinks that ban by President Clinton was effective needs to get their head examined. The Provost Marshall at Hood had very few personally owned firearms registered or under his control.

Getting, and possessing firearms is very easy for military personnel and should be. They are trained on how to use them. Being in a state like Texas which allows concealed carry makes it even easier. I have a CWP and know of many military personnel that have them. In Texas you can get a CWP with a military ID and know of many Vets who did just this. This CWP is accepted in, I think, 20 other states
It is assumed by most military services that once you get that ID you have been, jabbed, stabbed, checked and re-checked and are "safe". You are not routinely challenged when you go off, or come back on that base.(Unless under an alert)
Please do not assume that Hood was or is a gun free zone. A law does not make it so.

Best Regards
Vog