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Bill would let permit holders take guns into restaurants with alcohol

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WILMINGTON, NC (WWAY) -- How well do guns and alcohol mix? A new bill in the General Assembly would allow people with concealed carry permits into restaurants where alcohol is served.

This is not the first time gun activists have pushed for this bill, but with recent debate on gun rights, not everyone thinks it's a good idea.

"I think that if a person is legally entitled to carry a concealed weapon, I don't think the location matters as much as a person with a weapon," said Ricci Wright, the store manager at Shooter's Choice in Wilmington.

The concern for many is if guns and alcohol should mix.

"As far as introducing alcohol in the situation, on the surface that sounds bad, but those same folks are driving back and forth to those restaurants, so assuming they have control of their intake of alcohol whether or not legally impaired for driving an automobile I'm assuming they have the same responsibility for their weapon," Ricci said.

Others disagree. They say just like having a designated driver, you should have a designated gun holder.

"As far as someone you know, someone being able to bring a loaded weapon into a restaurant where people are drinking, I don't think it's a very good idea," bartender Andrew Flynn said.

Many question if this will keep people safer. One supporter of the bill says it's OK only if the restaurant owner allows it.

"If you have the right to bear arms, I think it becomes upon the owner of the establishment whether he wants you in or out with a weapon," Thomas Russell said. "But you should have the right to carry a weapon all times, except where someone says you can't that owns the building."

Advocates argue that restaurants that serve alcohol are spots where law abiding gun owners are vulnerable to criminals.

The bill would also keep the names of concealed carry permit holders from being public information.

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Terrible idea

This is such a terrible idea. It's mind-numbing. When did Americans become so scared of their own shadows? What? Can't you just go out, have a few beers, and pop Viagra?

Restaurant/Weapons Bill

When you post news like this it would be very interesting to know exactly who sponsored the bill. I realize that the days of investigative reporting are prtty much dead, but it would also be good to know which group gives them money.

bjones

Here try this:
http://ncleg.net/gascripts/BillLookUp/BillLookUp.pl?Session=2013&BillID=...

Look at the primary sponsor - click on his name:

http://ncleg.net/gascripts/members/viewMember.pl?sChamber=H&nUserID=661

The internet is a dangerous thing......
Actually that's a pretty good link that everyone should know about.

Vog

CCP and alcohol

Who cares.. Its like a CDL license. The real danger is the dumb asses with 4 wheels drunk with guns. Dont understand with all the hype .. See it more on the Highway than at Pizza Hut or Tony Roma's

HEAVENS NO. I DON'T GO OUT

HEAVENS NO. I DON'T GO OUT TO EAT MUCH ANYMORE ANY WAY. ESPECIALLY AT NITE. GUESS IF THAT BILLS PASSED, IT WILL BE O.

ONLY IF!!!

Only if they have a designated shooter.

What if they are just going

What if they are just going to pick up a Take Out order? Does that count too?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX1qQ4j7GEY

Did they have, or have not, a license? Enough said.....

WAM

...nothing like going to a bar with a well armed militia!

I can't wait....

...to hear all of the rediculous, know-it-all comments that will arise from this article!

Vog, you're first (as usual).

SurfCityTom, next in line (used to always be first prior to Vog).

Nope

you made more ridiculous comments than either Vog or I are capable of.

If you're for or against the bill, have you contacted your local representative to let them know your position? Probably not as that would take an intelligent effort and communication skills of a 4th grader.

Keep up the good work. I have better things to do then educate the entitlement recipients.

I did not see you in Raleigh this week for the opening sessions of the Legislature.

You have a chance to make a difference; but creating a legible email for your state representatives is likely beyond you.

Tom, can't you write a

Tom, can't you write a single post without a disconnected reference to "entitlement recipients"? Your script is becoming tiresomely boring.

Can'nt you answer

clear questions?

But wait. IN another post you referred to Durham.

It seems one of the ballpark proponents referred numerous times to Durham achievements as the supporting basis on which the city of Wilnmington should have pledged millions in bond dollars to build an unneeded baseball diamond.

Are you that same person hiding under a new identity?

If my posts are so boring, you seem the only one with that opinion, why not do the intelligent thing and not read them. But that may be above your grade level.

Have a good day Chuckles

Guest-

I was first.
Of course we're talking CONCEALED carry here not a permit to own.
Vog

Yeah!!!!

Yeah!!!!

designated gun holder

People with a concealed carry permit are not allowed to consume alcohol, or take illegal drugs, or take more legal drugs than allowed by a doctor while carrying a firearm.

If someone is drinking in a bar, and carrying a weapon, he won't have that permit for very long. There are many rules regarding concealed carry, and 99% of permit holders follow them to the letter.

Designated

You see, it's that 1 per cent that should cause alarm. That's just what we need: a bunch of drunks with guns in bars. All it takes is just one person and then the rest of us are screwed.

Guns&Alcohol

We could just fund another 125 Deputies
To be posted in all the bars and restaurants when they're open for buisness. Who sponsored this nonsense?

Please be serious, and rational

Do you really think there are only 125 restaurants in Wilmington that serve alcohol? The number has to be closer to 500 or more. If you're going to participate in the gun control discussion, please be rational. Are you suggesting that the deputies would be necessary to oversee the concealed carry permit holders who are eating lunch or dinner? Are you projecting your fears upon those folks, thinking that they'd shoot somebody if their sandwich was missing a pickle?

Great News

I support this effort completely and will certainly carry my concealed weapon inside. If a person goes through a thorough background check, pays the required fees, demonstrates safety and knowledge of guns then only a very few places should be off limits. This is a right, not a priviledge given by our fore fathers and I intend to use that right!

I don't think the majority

I don't think the majority of people voting no and upset with allowing concealed carry in restaurants know much about having the license, point being with any alcohol in your system your permit is null and void and fixin to land the holder in some serious trouble, also the bill isn't aimed at "bars", it is talking about "restaurants" that serve alcohol, big difference.

Yes, they should be able to

Yes, they should be able to carry as long as their are not drinking any alcoholic beverages!

Businesses should take down their "no guns allowed" signs as this tells the criminals that no one can defend themselves on premise.

Right...Alcohol and Firearms Do Not Mix,

So that's why I always secure my weapon in my vehicle, go in for dinner etc, NOT DRINK and come back to my vehicle and holster my weapon. You see, I'm a LAW ABIDING CITIZEN that values my permit to carry. It is for the above scenario that I DO NOT patronize any establishments in downtown Wilmington. The law is clear. There is ZERO tolerance for alcohol when carrying a concealed weapon. Why is it so hard for people to understand that criminals actually do not follow the law? Am I missing something? So if allowed by law to carry in a place that serves alcohol, I STILL won't drink. Why? See above.

My wife and I both have a

My wife and I both have a CCP. I don't believe it is a good idea to consume alcohol and carry a handgun. I do believe it would be fine to carry concealed in a restaurant that serves alcohol as long as the permit holder was not consumeing alcohol himself.

I may have missed it in the

I may have missed it in the article, but you do know that the person carrying would NOT be allowed to consume any alcohol, right?

Do you know that under current law, a concealed permit holder may NOT have ANY alcohol in their system while carrying concealed.

You all did know that, right??

JSmith

I don't know if you were responding to me or the article in general.
If a criminal has no concept of "law" and obtains a gun - which is the MAIN argument by the NRA, do you think a restriction on alcoholic consumption would have any effect on them?
Another argument made by the NRA is mental illness and the treatment for these diseases. Mood altering drugs impair perception (which is one reason why the mentally ill are supposedly prevented from getting guns).
Alcohol does too.
As a person with a CCP I know that
Criminals get guns and
Criminals don't care about restrictions on alcohol

That said, I don't believe the risk is worth it.
Vog

Vog, square this up and stop your confusion.

First of all, this article has nothing to do with criminals. It soley about law abiding, mentally competent, rap sheet free, concealed carry permitted citizens and allowing certain additional permissions to them. That's it. Period. So why introduce the criminal element, the mental case element, illegal drug use and the NRA's argument against such? Those issues are in no way relative to this article or the proposed bill in any form or fashion.

We all know WHAT criminals are. We all know what criminals do. We all know that most criminals know the law better than most attorneys and we all know that criminals DO NOT obey the law (that's how they achieved this status: CRIMINAL).

CCP holders are confirmed "good guys" totally void of the criminal element and lacking of any known mental condition. CCP holders are not allowed to consume ANY alcohol while carrying a firearm. CCP holders are required to competently follow the defined rules and conditions of the use of deadly force. These CCP holders are the ONLY people this bill is introduced to allow. Not criminals.

I kinda figured

You'd be the one dispensing the NRA kool aid.
First and foremost as I said in my initial post (yeah the first one) I cringe at the thought of combining alcohol and guns in the same place.
Not because I fear the people carrying legally - for the most part they are just like me.
No arrests
No priors
No drugs
Don't drink in public and very little at home
Don't smoke except an occasional cigar
Basically your church goin, God Fearin, Bible reading, old timer.
Do I need a gun? Probably not - certainly not to protect me. I've lead a full life so dying later today isn't a big thing for me to worry about.
Gun violence is a useless thing in my mind - whether its to kill or rob. A gun gives a bad guy a false sense of "bravado". So - why tempt fate?
Do "no gun zones" tempt bad guys? Schools? NO shooters in schools tend to be mental cases - these are not typically bad guys they're sick guys.
So what tempts bad guys?
Money. What do restaurants have? Money. Do I need to defend THAT restaurant against a robber? Nope - not my job and I sure don't want to be caught in the cross fire between a bad guy and someone who believes it's his God given right to shoot back across MY table while I'm enjoying a darned good steak....
I'm glad they gave the business owner's the right to REFUSE to allow guns in their place of business. Thats a place I want to go eat at.
Vog

I'm not disagreeing with what you say here.

You and I sound quite similar. I am not an NRA member and haven't had their koolaid, but I am a qualified CCP holder, a gun collector and love to target shoot anytime I get the opportunity. I also promote the safe handling and use of firearms by law-abiding citizens and especially with women these days. I personally do not regularly carry a concealed weapon on my person and don't feel the need to. I do travel with one neatly and conveniently tucked away. My evening jaunts passing the "crime-free" downtown alleys will find me well prepared as well.
I don't have a need to carry a weapon into a restaurant here albeit Durham was quite different and somewhat necessary. I'm just not worried about it here. Money in restaraunts? Yeah, there's a little, but liquor stores, and banks have much more! We can't carry one in those places, it's illegal, except for the one's that don't care...the criminals!

Guesttenheimer

I am also not disagreeing with you - It's just that not all CCW permit holders are "good guys" JUST because they got their permit - to believe that is naive.
Lets say a good law abiding citizen decides to lock up his gun and smoke some pot. If that pot is detected in his/her system they would lose their CCW permit.
So if a CCW permit holder NEVER gets checked but continues to smoke pot or drink (the cops have to have a reason to check) is he still a good guy?
He may be but he is breaking the letter of the law.
My concern is that the general level of responsibility of most folks has dropped and many of us believe that we are somehow above the law (albeit slightly) because we have a CCW permit. It's this nagging suspicion that just because someone has a CCW they will stay on the straight and narrow that I find so unbelievable.
(I'm overly suspicious by nature)

Vog