Sen. Hagan disappointed by DAK Americas closure
 

WASHINGTON, DC (WWAY) -- From Capitol Hill, North Carolina's Democratic senator reacted to the plant closure in Brunswick County.

Sen. Kay Hagan (D-North Carolina) said Thursday she's disappointed to see that 600 workers will lose their jobs when DAK Americas shuts down in Navassa come fall.

It's one of many reasons she said she's focused on creating jobs by encouraging small business growth and promoting job-specific education in Southeastern North Carolina through her America Works Act.

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"It works closely with our community colleges. We've got Cape Fear. We've got a number of community colleges in the area that really are doing a great job. We need to be sure they have the funds for training, they have the funds for the equipment so they can teach the programs that are really available for the jobs that are at hand right now and do away with that mismatch of skill sets."

Hagan said she's also pushing congress to keep student loan interest rates at 3.4 percent so more people can learn those skills. If congress doesn't act, those interest rates would double to 6.8 percent July 1.

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Not so sure why everyone thinks there are no jobs to be had. There are plenty of jobs to be had if you are not lazy and are willing to truly "work" for a living. With so few folks left that take pride in doing a good job (mainly because the new generation's parents spoiled their children handing them everything on a silver platter), the children think they should graduate from high school and/or college and make more than a million dollars the first year AND "do nothing".
The reason we have so many LAZY workers is MOSTLY because of the way the PARENTS RAISED THEIR CHILDREN. If parents would teach their children a sense of responsibility, those folks (now teenagers or older) would be out there working 2 to 3 jobs at once to make ends meet. Instead those lazy folks sit at home enjoying FREE GOVERNMENT handouts while all of the hard working folks support them. I'm not talking about the TRUE "disabled" folks (although a doctor told me once that he thinks anybody can work unless they are on a ventilator, UNLESS the person really has no desire to work hard or in many cases, has no desire to work at all. Free govenment handouts for the lazy is what those adults were taught by their parents growing up so they think that's normal I guess.

Why is it eh ONLY comment we get is from a U,S. Senator?
No comment from Thom Goolsby
Susie Hamilton
Bill Rabon
Ted Davis
or Iler?

No, someone in WASHINGTON comments.
And some here criticize her?
Where's the local politicians on this subject?

Vog

While continued education or retraining is always a great idea there still has to be jobs for people to go to once they are trained. There are people graduating every year from community colleges as well as 4 year Universities that are struggling to find jobs. It's hard to imagine 600 more graduates will make a difference. Why does the Senator think this is the solution? Is she really that out of touch with what is going on.

One thing is for certain, we are not nearly diversified enough in SE NC and have had all our eggs in one basket for far too long. We need something to replace the thousands of construction jobs that were lost during the recession as well as the hundreds of others, not to mention the 600 just lost at DAK. Until then, this area will not fully recover.

The million dollar question is: "Who is responsible for bring in jobs to NC and specifically SE NC"? Is it the state, county or city politicians? They certainly campaign on that promise but yet fail to deliver year after year. Their solution is to use tax incentives to lure business here. By doing that we are now in a bidding war against other states as to who is willing to give up the most tax dollars. That may work as a short term solution but as soon as the deal expires the business will be looking for additional money or threaten to pull the jobs out. So are tax incentives really a long term solution? Are tax incentives the only answer?

What about an Economic Development Committee like other states have? That seems to be working well in states like Mississippi and Louisiana. It seems like this has been tried in the past but what happened? Poor leadership? Where does the area Chamber of Commerce come into the picture? What should their role be and what have they done in the past? Where is the leadership at the state, county and city level? The state seems to be consumed by everything other than bringing jobs to the area. The county seems to be consumed by themselves and Brian Berger. The city spent most of the last 2 years focusing on minor league baseball which at the end of the day wasn't going to create but a handful of full time jobs and burden the tax payers with an additional expense. Heck the city can't even afford to put on a fireworks display for July 4th without taking money from a private citizen. Will our current leadership ever get their heads out of the backsides and focus on what is truly needed in this area, jobs? Do they understand that with more people working the higher the tax base will be and the more money they will have to spend? Anyone can be a politician, that's been proven, but it takes a special person to be a leader. At what point will someone actually step up a lead or is it that we just don't have any leaders anymore?

Food for thought. ???

Food for thought?
"What about an Economic Development Committee like other states have? That seems to be working well in states like Mississippi and Louisiana"

Currently the unemployment rate in Mississippi is much worse then NC's is. Louisiana's is better than NC's but they have a vibrant oil industry there.
Here in NC we get campaign promises like
"I'll create the jobs"
But we get vaginal wand legislation

"I'll make NC employer friendly"
Then we get new sex trafficking laws, for crimes that aren't documented to exist.

"I'll be known as your education representative"
And we get cuts to higher education (but KEEP overpaid AD's and coaches)

I don't know what the answer is...........

Vog

if you were in NC when the textile industries started going down the commode, you may remember former Governor Jim Hunt was very proactive in recruiting new businesses, for many of the small towns throughout NC, to replace the closing mills.

He brought them in from Germany, Japan, and several other foriegn nations. He did not stand around; wringing his hands; waiting for some government underling to get off his keister.

He recruited industries; he coordinated community colleges and saw they could provide needed training for the jobs being recruited; and the results were present. There were some incentives; but not nearly on a par with what has been dispensed and promised during the past 5 or 6 years.

And they did not need big incentives to get Dino DeLaurentis to build a studio in Wilmington. Anyone here in the 80s when Arnold filmed Raw Deal; Julia Roberts made Sleeping with the Enemy; Hopper made Blue Velvet? Those are 3 which come to mind; of course let's not forget Firestarter with George C Scott.

You're right about 1 thing. It just takes one or 2 leaders who can take charge and get out and do the job.

For the past 4 years, we had Smiley and a Commerce Secretary who had everyone convinced he and his team were really working hard in Paris every summer at teh International Air Show while they were swilling $200 bottles of wine and forgetting they has a per diem to comply with.

Keep in mind that Hunt was Governor during the Clinton years which were the years of highest job creation in history.
Recruiting industries during boom times is easier and there's no desperation.
During those times you get a sense of what a state really "has" that makes it attractive to businesses. In many ways Hunt's record is a BETTER positive for NC than anyone else's because he attracted businesses NOT with incentives but with a great education system, low cost of living, and an available workforce.
Incentives are like Democratic spending policies you can cure everything by just "throwing money at it".
Of course its OK for Republicans to throw money at corporations.
It's entitlements when Dems throw money at the poor.
In fact, incentives are corporate entitlements - which is why I oppose them.

Vog

if you check, Hunt had two seperate terms as Governor. In his first, he was limited to a single term; I believe late 70's into early 80s. His neice lived down the street from us in Raleigh & we met him a couple of times; I'm thinking 76 to 80 or 78 to 82. That was when he made his name by getting out of the state and doing some hands on recruiting.

At that time there was a very strong sense of doom as many smaller towns were losing the mills which were the prime employers in most of those town.

In a sense he was under the gun to perform. And you are right; he did it without much in the way of incentives. If I recall correctly, the state spent money to expand comunity college abilities to provide focused training on the skills required.

I would be the LAST person to defend Smiley or Sleazely but Smiley was dealing with a recession that was far deeper than anyone originally thought and affected NC more so than even I expected.
That said, even today, McCrory has his work cut out for him in the regard as well.
The trip to Europe while losing a potentially great employer was a mistake - one of many but there was no guarantee that we would have won that employer or others.
We are now in a situation where corporations can and are extorting huge sums of money from states when they dangle factories and jobs in front of Governors. This corporate entitlements has reached extreme proportions when you think that the ball park would cost $488,000 per job in incentives and MetLife is costing $82,000 per job (If I remember correctly). Then we have movie incentives which are part time temporary jobs......(sand which Gov Jindal has now capped saying they may not be worth it)
Long term we do need to cut corporate taxes as a continuous means of attracting companies here but I'm against incentives.
But that seems to be the direction in which we're going.
BTW - I was NOT the one that said we need 1 or 2 leaders who can take charge and do the job..........
Vog

Vog

We both understand how unemployment numbers are calculated so it's difficult for me to give much credit to those. What I do give credit to are the economic investment numbers. I'm speaking of the billions of dollars in investments several non oil related companies have made to build factories and assembly plants in those states over the last few years. These are factories and plants that could have just as easily been built here if we had leadership that was aggressively seeking out those opportunities.

My concern here is the lack of leadership at the state and local level. I don't think it's a Democrat or Republican issue it's a person issue. I feel most, if not all, politicians are truly out of touch with realality. An example are the comments Kay Hagan made recently about the DAK plant closing. How do those people pay their bills while they are being retrained over the next couple of years? Government assistance? Let's say they can hold on long enough to get through training then what? They still will need a job to go to. Are we to believe that while they are retraining, our politicains like Kay Hagan, will be out recruiting companies to come to NC? If so why isn't she doing that now? What is she waiting for and why isn't she speaking about her goals and accomplishments? I can answer that, she doesn't have a clue as to what she is even saying. The sad part is neither do any of the other politicians.

The bottom line is that technology has allowed companies to do more work with less employees. Downsizing is becoming the norm. The number of jobs are shrinking while the labor force is growing. The competition with other states for these companies/jobs is only going to get tougher as everyone is looking for the same thing. The states that are organized and have a good plan will prosper while the others will simply become irrelevent.

"My concern here is the lack of leadership at the state and local level. I don't think it's a Democrat or Republican issue it's a person issue. I feel most, if not all, politicians are truly out of touch with realality."

Really? I happen to agree with you but then you skewered your own argument read on....

" An example are the comments Kay Hagan made recently about the DAK plant closing. How do those people pay their bills while they are being retrained over the next couple of years? Government assistance? Let's say they can hold on long enough to get through training then what? They still will need a job to go to. Are we to believe that while they are retraining, our politicains like Kay Hagan, will be out recruiting companies to come to NC? If so why isn't she doing that now? What is she waiting for and why isn't she speaking about her goals and accomplishments? I can answer that, she doesn't have a clue as to what she is even saying.'

OK go back to your quoted statement - ON THE STATE AND LOCAL LEVEL
So why then are you blaming a U.S. Senator - you know a Senator for the FEDERAL government? So should we blame Thom Goolsby - yes we should. Bill Rabon too. Along with Ted Davis, and Susis Hamilton. These folks have done nothing absolutely NOTHING to promote jobs.

" The competition with other states for these companies/jobs is only going to get tougher as everyone is looking for the same thing. The states that are organized and have a good plan will prosper while the others will simply become irrelevent."

Um......maybe. The problem here is the corporations KNOW with certainty that if they dangle 1500 jobs out there that every damned Governor in the country will try to buy them with incentives. They are now in a position of being able to extort money from us in exchange for jobs - and the bad news is, it works. Corporate entitlement programs are alive and well and living among us. Just look at MetLife, the baseball stadium incentives, and the movie industry incentives.

So does it boil down to which state has the biggest wallet? If so Texas and Louisiana win as their oil industry gives them a lot of money to play with.
I for one don't believe NC should play this game as it's essentially the government propping up it's own economy through incentives which starve the rest of the government operations for funds, but I'm also no fool.
So I agree that incentives probably need to be used, but not for ballpark jobs, or part time movie jobs.
I want to believe that NC offers more than other states but I wonder just what we have that is so much better?

Vog

Vog,

I am fully aware Kay Hagan is a US Senator but she was "elected by the people of NC to represent NC" at the federal level. Thom Goolsby, Bill Rabon and the others you mentioned were elected by their districts to represent their districts at the state level. I view this as each politician is responsible for representing the people that voted them into office. I can see where my statement before may have been confusing. Hopefully this clarifies it.

It does clarify but why leave out Sen Burr?
You were the one that said local and state politicians not me.
The problem is that the state does have to set policy that encourages businesses to come here - but we are choosing to "pay them off" with incentives. Senator Hagan nor Sen Burr have any say in state incentives.
There is and always has been a connection between national economic policies and state economic performance. If the national economy is perking along states have no problem attracting businesses UNLESS they have shortcomings then they resort to payoffs called incentives.
I don't think NC is at that point. We DO have a great educational system here and a good work force. Our amenities are really good here as well.
But Hagan/Burr have less to do with NC's economy than Goolsby/Rabon do - on that point you were correct, it is a state and local issue.

Vog

OK, people now is the time for Brunswick County to sue DAK cleans up the area before they leave. If not the tax payer will be trying to get Super Fund money to do it. The EPA should be there looking at this before DAK runs.

You can cut the big "corporate evil" let's leave the area and stick it to the taxpayer attitude. It bugs the hell out of me when people like you spew out the same old tired lines. YOU are giving a VERY lazy and uninformed answer which speaks of your ignorance. You have no idea what you are talking about. Hey JJ, let me clue you in! I happen to be on the inside of this. First of all, every environmental agency has visited the site for the past 6 months taking water samples, soil samples and concrete samples within the facility. Prior to that, DAK and DuPont (DuPont still owns much of the land by the way and has a stake in the clean up) have been taking soil and water samples from the 70's to present. The Cape Fear site is safe and clean!

Now, to ease your tiny little brain, the clean up will be under the management of a third party. DAK does not have influence over this third party and cannot tell them what to do. Both DAK, DuPont and the third party take instruction from the local, state and federal environmental agencies.

Be informed JJ!

Relax JJ. DAK and DuPont both have stake in cleaning up the site. Multiple environmental entities have visited the site in the last 5 months. DuPont which still owns much of the land has been taking regular soil and water samples to measure for compliance since the site opened for business back in the 70's. So ease your tree-hugging mind, believe me, I have first hand knowledge. The site WILL BE CLEANED UP. DAK and DuPont will be spending millions to make this happen.

Senator Hagan, The community colleges have enough money already and more than enough equipment. You need to tell your boss, President Obama to stop spending money this country doesnt have. Reduce the cost of doing business in North Carolina and then the hiring of workers can begin. Not really that hard to understand.

Now, now. Don't be so hard on the good Senator. She's only saying what she is programmed to say by good ole Harry and P Bo and the other puppet masters. (Hope she didn't leave anything out!!!)