Moral Monday meets opposition in Southport


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Submitted: Mon, 08/19/2013 - 7:35pm
Updated: Mon, 08/19/2013 - 9:30pm
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SOUTHPORT, NC (WWAY) — Some Moral Monday protestors had some unexpected company when when they showed up outside of Sen. Bill Rabon’s office today.

For weeks the Brunswick County NAACP has planned to bring Moral Monday protests to the doorstep of Sen. Rabon (R-8th District).

“He has voted, as has the majority of the North Carolina Senate, to reduce the ability of the people of this district to vote,” protestor Jim McNeil said.

Protestors claim Rabon’s support of the voter ID law is an attempt to suppress votes for seniors, students, low wealth people and people of color.

“By reducing the number of hours that the early voting is open it makes it more difficult for people to get from rural places particularly to polling places,” McNeil said.

But the NAACP protestors met a little friendly opposition on this Moral Monday, and their message was clear: Tap the brakes on the runaway criticism.

“It’s just amazing to me that anybody would not want to have people identified and that people might not want every vote to count as a valid vote,” Rabon supporter Elyse Brown said.

Rabon’s supporters claim there is no reason not to have an ID, because they are needed for so many other vital parts of everyday life.

“In my opinion, people are against it, because they want to have a fraudulent vote,” Brown said. “If you go to the airport, you need your ID. If you go to the doctor you need your ID. Without it you can vote 20 times. You could vote for dead people, and you hear all sorts of stories about people voting for other people because you don’t have to have an ID.”

While the protestors were along the road voicing their opinion Sen. Rabon’s veterinary clinic was closed for lunch.

92 Comments

  • OtherGuest says:

    To stand in the driveway, parking lot, or entrance to a fellow citizen’s place of business to protest specifically against that citizen’s political position (whether that citizen is holds political office or not) is inappropriate and unnecessary. Why potentially disrupt someone’s livelihood? Does anyone really believe that is an acceptable form of political protest? Or is it vindictive and judgmental behavior aimed at punishing the targeted citizen?

    To debate another person’s political view, whether on a specific subject or in general, is certainly within the rights of any American citizen.

    Too many responders to this article are angry and they are venting their anger in personal ways. When I think of America and the people of America, I think of people that have the grace and maturity to respect another person’s views whether they have been expressed in speech, by vote, or, as in this case, by voting to pass any law as an elected representative of the people. That is the very essence of the American democratic republic.

  • Unaffiliated. says:

    a reminder that the law will provide these ‘supporting’ documents for free for those that cannot afford them.

  • halo123 says:

    I understand where guest123456 is coming from. Happy your person can find a ride, but i understand that not everyone can. so the ones that dont have friends and family, that depend on strangers or people who donate their time may not be able to help them all get to vote in just a day. so with that cutting the voting days does take voting rights away from a person. elder people get sick…disabeled people get sick..most nursing homes can only hold just a few people in a bus at one time ( sometimes it takes an hr to get a few people ready for a trip) i know bc my sister works at a nursing home. if there is 50+ people wanting to vote, in one day they will not have time.

  • halo123 says:

    Agree with you guest123456. people keep saying *well i know someone who was sick and still was able to vote* but yet they do not understand that some people in homes do not have family or friends to pick them up. That most buses only hold just a few people and it take a long time to load them up ( i know bc my sister works at a nursing home ) i asked her if where she works could she get everyone where they need to be to vote in one day and she said no. dont let people bully you, they must live under a rock and know nothing outside of their life or better yet they are unwilling to think about anyone else other then themself. ~Carrie

  • 1ID1Vote says:

    I am glad you have that opinion. If you believe so strongly in that right will you please go to the overpasses and protect the Impeach Obama protesters from police? Based on your belief, this should be the front lines of your fight, or is it “every right to peacefully protest” only when it fits your opinion?

  • Guest123456 says:

    Wow crazy..Happy you only have to think about one person. Please in detail do tell me how in just one day I can take 14 people to vote? Last year I couldnt do it in just one day. Im happy you only have to worrie about one persons rights, sorry i consider them as humans. My mother is only one example in a home of 76 people. yes i consider her to be lucky because she is one of the few that has a family member to visit and help her. Many do not have ANY friends or family. But thank you for knowing all, very happy you have lived our experences also. oh wait you have not. I bet you take a day off to vote, I bet you get a chance to take a day off to vote. Do you live in Shallotte? Nobody came to my car to help me get her in or the others. But its easy to get it all done on a 30 min lunch.

  • Guest123456 says:

    Your comment that everyone in the Homes are required to have an ID is silly. My mother has not had one in years. New hanover placed her in the Home, not once did I ever have to show ID, just gave them her DOB,SSN and Name. The facility has an on staff doctor so there is no need for her to leave.

  • Frank says:

    You still have 10 days of early voting available. Add that to the actual election day and you have 11 days where you can vote. The change in the law also added more early voting places and increases the hours of operation.

    Not to mention absentee voting.

    For those who don’t drive an ID is available at DMV for NO CHARGE.

    Don’t believe me? Fine. Look it up for yourself.

  • Guest-o-matic says:

    …to require identification to do so. Just like the identification I have to have to rent a room, rent a car, buy an airline ticket, cash a check, buy a beer, drive a car, ride a motorcycle, get sudafed, etc.

    There is no voter suppression going on here. Anyone that doesn’t have a valid ID these days is either living in the dark ages or are an illegal alien. You people always portray yourselves as the victim. Get off your lazy asses, get a job, be productive in society and take control of your own lives. Stop allowing the gubb’ment to do it for you!

    If I didn’t know better, the democrats seem scared to death of this ID thing. It must mean that they’ll lose all of those illegal, cheating votes and won’t be able to maintain their fat pocket political seat. It is fully abhorrant to maintain a political position based on keeping people poor, in the dark and making them feel like they’re getting more free stuff…absolutely unbelievable!

  • 1id1vote says:

    The arguments back and forth are amusing. One side is honestly arguing the merits of their position while the other side is knowingly lying and putting up a false argument about theirs.
    Side A – Knows there is fraud and that fraud works to their advantage but puts up a false argument of restriction of rights. Side A knows there are mobile DMV units that go to areas where DMVs are scarce, knows that with a phone call any number of organizations can take you to the polls, knows that a free id can be provided and knows that the law does not prohibit early voting.
    Side B – Honestly believes in the merits of a voter id system and how it protects their vote by making sure another vote is not illegally cast canceling out their vote. Side B does not realize they are in an argument with someone who is lying about and does not really believe in their stated position, they only repeat it over in an attempt to cover their real position. Fraud. Side B is playing chess with a pigeon.

  • The Sheriff says:

    “SORRY. I do not have to produce an ID to write a check at Harris teeter”

    And because of this cavalier attitude is why, as a business owner, I can refuse service and payment till you produce a valid form of identification.

    Quit being lazy and have your ID out and ready so you don’t slow up the line.

  • Vicki Boyer says:

    I have NEVER been asked for an ID at a doctor’s office; insurance card, yes; photo ID, no.

    So many of us drive that we fail to realize that many do not. That is why all our towns have bus service. Low income folks cannot afford to buy a car and insurance. They take a bus. Low income folks are not likely to fly, either.

    Voting is a constitutionally granted right. Getting on a plane or buying sudafed is not.

    This requirement makes everyone guilty unless they can prove themselves innocent. That is very un-American. Cross-checking records between registered voters and NC drivers licenses shows that over 300,000 people are registered to vote but do not have a driver’s license. And guess what? Over 67,000 of them are Republicans.

    Some of our counties do not have a DMV office. Recent news stories have highlighted that the DMV ‘van’ used to service these counties is out of order and it may be some time before it is fixed. Meanwhile, people there cannot even renew licenses let alone get them. In other counties, DMV offices are not open 5 days a week and may not be serviced by bus lines, so those who cannot drive cannot get there.

    You say a driver’s license can be free for those who need them; but the supporting documents are not. It costs money to get copies of birth certificates, marriage or divorce documents, etc. And then, if your name is not exactly the same you are going to have trouble. My elderly aunt ordered a copy of her birth certificate; it did not give a first name but call her Baby Girl. How would she get a license with that, given the demands placed upon us by the NCGA???

  • GuestMan. says:

    Who cares about you, hero? I served where they told me to go and you can believe I wasn’t sitting over here on my butt. So get on with your life and quit bragging because there are millions of people like us who served. You should know you fought for all people to vote, not just the ones YOU think should. The USA has had an all volunteer army since just after I joined in 1972, so you probably joined because you couldn’t find a real job. So keep playing the martyr role; it seems to suit you.

  • Tarheel says:

    In order to vote, one must be registered. Anyone who has ever gone to the polls to vote knows that the poll staff require a name from any voter wishing to register their vote. Once the voter’s name has been confirmed as eligible to vote (because they had to be registered), that person’s name is then crossed off the list, and permission/access to cast one’s ballot is granted. This process does not require any proof from the person wishing to vote; they simply have to state their name, be confirmed as registered to vote, and then vote.

    For those who are against requiring an ID, I have two simple questions that no one on that side of the fence has yet been able to answer: How would you feel if you showed up to cast your vote and were then told that someone has already used your name and voted? Would you still be against requiring an ID if someone had stolen your vote?

    For those who gripe about fewer locations or available days to vote, you’re being ridiculous, and it’s time someone pointed it out to you. Our nation has a LONG history of holding Election Day once a year. Early voting is granted in many areas as a convenience, NOT a guarantee. If voting in an election means so much to you, you’ll make the time and you’ll find a way to make it happen.

    These measures DO NOT “reduce the ability of the people of this district to vote”, Mr. McNeil. These measures guarantee that votes are not stolen. These measures guarantee that only those registered are allowed to vote.

  • Nancy McCullough says:

    If there were evidence that folks are casting fraudulent votes, I might understand. But this is complete nonsense. C’mon folks. Look at our history. NC, like so many other states, systematically kept certain people from voting. It’s the very same folks this time. Do you not see the pattern? The only way these Republicans can guarantee long-term their re-election is to exclude certain folks from voting. Do you or do you not believe in democracy? If not, own up to it and admit to at least yourselves who you are. If you DO believe in democracy, realize that lots of people DIED to win this right. For God’s sake, be on the RIGHT side this time. See this for what it is.

  • Guest84 says:

    the voter suppression legislation is taking North Carolina BACKWARDS…period:

    “North Carolina had traditionally been a state where few people voted. It was ranked 47th in the country in voter participation in 1991, but rose to 34th in 2000 because of changes in the law to make voting easier. It rose to 21st in 2008 and to 11th in the country in 2012.”

    Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/08/17/3115208/college-students-will-have-to.html#storylink=cpy

  • Guest3130 says:

    “Real Americans” have every right to peacefully protest wherever it is they are able to get their representatives to listen. THAT’s “Real American.”

  • Guest9743 says:

    Most social security recipients have direct deposit so there is no need for an ID card….and the state issued ID cards will have a cost associated with them, somebody has to pay, nothing is free! The citizens of NC will be picking up the tab for an extra one, two or three million dollars.

  • 1SG America says:

    Dear Ma’am,

    Who is excluding people from the right to vote?? If the state was giving out $100.00 bills, and all you had to do to collect was show a valid ID. You can bet that the same ones that don’t want to show a form of identification to cast a ballot. Would line the streets with VALID ID in hand to claim that $100.00 dollar bill. So the ignorance, that Democrat’s have about showing a valid ID, is just that IGNORANT! The Democratic party doesn’t want ID’s so they can have people cast more that one vote, since there is no way in verifying who has voted. I cant believe anyone would not want to make sure that John Doe voted as John Doe. To think anyway other than that is ludicrous! When you opened up your Bank acct, you showed an ID. When you opened up your PO Box you showed an ID. So what is so different, you want to vote present a State issued ID. You talk about people dying for so that others may have democracy. Have you ever served the U.S in any branch of the Military????? Well I served in the U.S Army for 23yrs, I have 7 Combat tours under my belt. So I know I earned the right, how about you!!!!!!!!!!

    Regards,
    1SG America

  • OtherGuest says:

    It makes no difference whether the commenter served in the military. Nobody cares if you served in the military (except you). You did not necessarily earn anything, not even your pension. You should give some respect, then you might get some in return (without screaming what a military hero you are).

  • Walter Powell says:

    First, please check your words before typing something wrong. The Democrats were in charge of the South throughout the “racist era” of the South. As a matter of fact, The Jim Crow Laws were put into place by….The Democrats. They took control of both US House and Senate in 1878 and began their reign of bad laws…..once again. So, before you spout out any more of your sappy, whinny, woe is me, republicans are evil bs, please get your information right!

  • Guest123456 says:

    Please tell me ( because all of you know everything there is ) how 75 people with disabilities just in shallotte will be able to vote… I have a full time job and its hard to make time to vote let alone get my mother from the home and help her vote ( with one day voting I doubt I will ever be able to vote again, bc NC does not have a law to require your right to take off work to vote), what about the other 74 people who most do not have family? They do not drive for many reasons, several cant walk or stand. So to say they can just find a way to the dmv and get an ID ( last month after medications my mother was left with $13.00 ) I pay for everything …and we only need one day of voting. This has nothing to do with being Dem or Rep. If your willing to take away rights that do hurt people and prevent them from voting atleast have the polls go to them or pick them up. I dont care who you are, you have the right to vote!

  • Maureen A. Wilson says:

    Exactly, who can’t show up at the polls and vote? We all have the same eligibility requirements, fair and square. I am more concerned about fraudulent voting than I am about not being able to cast my ballot. I hear this hysteria about ‘keeping certain people’ from voting. Who can’t vote that meets the requirements? Again, we all meet the same ‘bar.’ I love Voter ID. Let us know when an eligible legal ID carrying voter is turned away at the polls.

  • Scott Betz says:

    I find it disturbing that people use driving, healthcare and the library as comparisons to voting. There is one major and absolutely important difference; VOTING IS A RIGHT and all the other comparisons are privileges. When a group or mob try to restrict a RIGHT, it does not matter what the excuses are, it is wrong. Our legislators are hell bent on restricting our RIGHT and they have yet to come up with anything that would justify this move.

  • Guest123456 says:

    We the people have the right to protest. Just because you may not have the courage to do so does not mean we dont. I pay taxes and I get to deside how I get heard, because it looks like the system is not talking to its people but only thinking of what they want. And before you say they are thinking about their people…answer is no because they have not sent out a poll to see what people want, they have not questioned anyone to see why it would be okay to hurt people. If they went to major NC Schools they would find out that many voting rights are being taken away from students and those students are angry…. among many other groups. Please do your homework, if you have no idea who this is hurting then educate yourself on this topic before you go online.

  • Unaffiliated Voter says:

    most of them are entirely TOO stupid to be allowed to vote!

    STRIVE to be SMARTER than the EVIL CORRUPT democrackkks WANT you to BE, Fools!

  • Chris Weaver says:

    A poll tax…or some other ….”Test”
    As it would appear that select voters cannot make arrangements 2 and 3 years in advance to vote, there certainly is some deficiency on the capacity of the voter to prepare or make judgments…The Date of voting is commonly known is it not?

    Why…this diminished capacity falls right in line with what Democrats think of everyday citizens. We cannot drive the proper car with out government aid, we cannot eat the “right” foods, we cannot obtain our own healthcare, we cannot be trusted with 32 oz sodas, not trusted to teach our children about sex… Why, how in the heck can we be trusted to cast a vote? Yes… a poll test might be in order.

    Or at minimum, we must allow these select voters an opportunity to elevate their skill and educational level UP to that of a Uniformed Solider stationed over seas who do (unless the current admin get involved as before) have the capacity to vote .

  • Gina says:

    It makes a difference to me that someone put their life on the line 7 times. You’re a clueless little dolt to say such things to our military men and women. What have you done in your life? I bet nothing, you think you’re doing something by standing with these immoral, unethicals clowns on voter ID. There was cheating, there were ignorant people preying upon the metally disabled signing them up as democrats to vote. People that are clearly not able or even aware of voting were being used by idiots like yourself. How great is your country now? This country is in shambles thanks to this inexperienced George Soros puppet. I bet you show that id to buy your alcohol without so much as a wimper.

  • Vog46 says:

    People here are making the argument that you need an ID for blah blah blah so it should be needed to vote. Then there are others who say you MUST be illegal or something else if you con’t have one and get off your butt get a job and be self sufficient.
    C’mon – those are peripheral arguments.
    Social Security recipients get direct deposit on their check – no need for ID.
    Voters produce identification upon registering to vote. Drivers present other ID to get their? picture license!! The country had centuries of voting without picture ID.
    Look lets face it – the REAL problem with voter fraud is NOT with the voter going into the booth – it’s with absentee ballots which you can cast without a picture ID !!!!
    The “pro” ID crowd has gone a little ditsy with their arguments here.
    I would humbly suggest that anyone getting entitlements be forced to vote in order to continue to receive those entitlements. If you wish we could take their picture upon their fist vote cast! Think about all those welfare queens voting every election – who do you think they’d vote for?
    Or is this just a veiled attempt to stop welfare queens from voting for politicians willing to give them more?
    I have an ID and get get to the polls.
    But the arguments here have gotten way out of control.
    With todays technology picture IDs are becoming somewhat archaic and are used as a “once only” ID in many instances such as banking. I do NOT have to produce an ID to cash a check at my bank – SORRY. I do not have to produce an ID to write a check at Harris teeter – SORRY.
    Stop with the silly arguments.

    Vog

  • Guest123456 says:

    YOU SAID THAT THE DEM’S ARE SIGNING MENTALLY ILL TO VOTE DEM. WHAT A JOKE. MY MOTHER IS ILL AND AT A HOME. REP SUPPORTERS WENT TO HER HOME AND OFFERED THEM RIDES TO THE POLL IF THEY COULD DISCUSS WHY VOTING REP WOULD HELP THIS NATION. I REFUSED TO LET MY MOTHER ATTEND THAT MEETING WITH OUT ME AND I WOULD DO THE SAME FOR ANY PARTY. EVERYONE HAS AN AGENDA. SO DONT SPOUT A FACT UNLESS YOU LIVED IT. BECAUSE I DID LAST YEAR.

  • guesty says:

    Ask your mother to show you where the ‘caps lock’ key is located. Then never press it again because you have abused that privilege.

  • Guest123456 says:

    Yes we are evil DEM’s. I’m an evil Dem that works 40+ hours a week, pays taxes, donates 10+ hours a week to a personal outreach program along with other events in my local area ( last night 6 hours on just one event). We are horrible, uneducated people. OMG to top it off I grew up on foodstamps, got free school lunch, and lived in a goverment funded home with a parent with a severe disability….just horrible the state took care of us so that I could grow up and take care of others in need. JUST HORRIBLE!!!!!! ITS an outrage!!!!
    Sorry us Dem’s think about everyone before we deside to remove a persons right away just to make others happy. So while i pick up dontations tonight and stay up to midnight boxing them up I will pray to GOD that he forgives me for being a DEM.
    But guess what this evil DEM has the right to vote!!!!!!

  • GuestMan. says:

    Well, hero, I served too but you don’t see my ignorant ass trying to use that to an advantage of some sort. I guess that is why you mention it, because it certainly has nothing to do with this.
    The difference is bank accounts, p.o. boxes, cashing checks, etc. is not a right of all US citizens. Voting is a right that everyone has whether or not yhey possess an ID.

  • BTG says:

    “hell bent on restricting our Right”…really? This is such a lame argument. What justifies this is the demorats desire to place fraudulent votes. It happens..it’s documented. And in as much as you want to continue the status quo, the Republicans are in the majority now and the overwhelming majority of NC citizens want the voter id law. We want a just and verifiable election process. So take your fraud, lame arguments and demorat talking points, and get the hell over it. If you don’t have id, and can’t manage to get one before
    2016, we’re probably better off with you staying home IMHO.

  • Guest12345 says:

    So if these SS recipients have direct deposit, they didn’t need some form of ID to get that set up in the first place? They didn’t need to show some form of ID at the bank in which the account is held for the direct deposit to go into?
    You make no sense and just like all the rest of them, just fishing for some reason to make this a negative and to place blame. Its always someone else’s fault.

  • GuestBR549 says:

    how I have an elderly family member who hasn’t driven in 50 years, yet she managed to get a valid NC ID years ago and makes arrangements to get to the polls to vote. It’s not that difficult…

  • Hugh K says:

    I am in the same position. My wife has been severely disabled for the past 20+ years. In addition to her care-giver, I am working a full-time job, doing all of the house-cleaning, cooking, yard work, driving her to the many doctor appointments she requires at least twice a week just about every week of the year, etc, etc.
    How has this hectic schedule impacted her voting? — We drive up to the polling station where there are assistants outside that allow the disabled to vote from the car. It takes all of five minutes. That will not change now because of the new law. The only difference is she will now have to show an ID. Big deal…my wife has had to show her ID for quite some time already when she picks up some meds from the pharmacy which is no different from driving up to the polling station and showing her ID there now.
    My mother-in-law is in an assisted living facility and it is the same with her. The facility takes those that wish to vote out on a field-trip to the polling station. That won’t change now. The only difference is that the residents will have to show an ID…the very same ID that is already required for residents to possess while staying at the assisted living facility.
    Don’t you want your Mom’s vote to count? If so, please stop making lame excuses for a voting law that could prevent voter fraud from cancelling your Mom’s vote.
    Wishing your Mom (and her vote) the best…

  • Guest1234567 says:

    Yes, the people have a right to protest. That wasn’t the issue raised. The issue raised was whether protestors have the right to obstruct a place of business. Do you perceive that as a right? If so, let us know where you are employed and we’ll give that ‘right’ a go. You can get back to us on how that worked out for you.

  • Guest123456 says:

    It does effect… if you have one day voting and I get a 30 min lunch, I do not have the time to pick her up, sign the forms to take her on a day trip and drive to the location 8 miles from where she is at and vote then return her back then drive back to work. NC is 1 out of 6 states where your job does not have to give you the time to vote!!! But thank you for knowing our life so well and the others in the home that have no family or a day transportation to take them all at once to the polls… last year I went 3 different days to help people vote because they had no other way….so are you willing to drive to shallotte and help me next time?? considering you know everything.

  • Guest123456 says:

    just because you know someone who got there how do you know others are able to. does this person have friends? family? most of the people in theis home do not have friends or family. most are unwanted. my mothers roomate has not seen her family in 4 years and they live in the same town. dont assume

  • 1SG America says:

    Dear Ignorant A%%,

    If you were smart enough to read and comprehend, you would have read the original message. You would see that Ms Wilson stated people have DIED to have the right to vote. Well, I have served and have lost Soldiers, so no one knows better than me the PRICE OF FREEDOM. Which enables people like your self who claim to have served and if so probably did so state side and not in a Combat zone. So now go read the whole exchange and you will see now why I mentioned MY MILITARY service.

    Regards,
    1SG America

  • 1SG America says:

    Thanks for your support!!

  • Guest2020 says:

    They didn’t eliminate early voting. They just cut it back some.

  • Guest2020 says:

    No one is restricting anyone’s right to vote. They are just asking us to prove we have the right to vote. I do have to have an ID to drive. I do have to have an ID to get a library card. I have to have an ID to see a doctor, to pick up certain medications and to write a check. I have to show and ID to rent a car and to board a commercial airplane. In order to keep someone else from using my credit card, I do not sign the back so that the cashier is required to ask for an ID. If I have to prove who I am for the everyday, mundane things of life, then I should have to prove that I have the right to do do the most powerful thing I can do as a citizen of the United States.

  • Guest2020 says:

    Why do you object to American citizens proving that they have the right to vote?

  • Guest123 says:

    If you draw unemployment, Social security, or simply cash a check you have to have a ID. Sorry, i dont buy your excuse people cant get out to the DMV offices. Well how are they getting out to the voting polls??

  • Kathy B says:

    I think the thing that is missing here is that not only is ID is NOT required to be a citizen but those who do not have photo id are more likely to be poor and elderly. Add that to the additional restrictions that have been put in place by this administration and it looks like a clear case of voter suppression. And yes, I am a real American and I will share my opinion anytime and anywhere I choose, I think the founders would agree with the protestors and not those who are concerned about manners.

  • Aimee says:

    Just ask the folks who live in Bertie and other rural counties. Many older folks were born @ home with a midwife and don’t have a birth certificate to prove who they are. They don’t own a car so the church van must now travel across the county transporting only 10 people per trip to the polling place. The mobile DMV claims it can’t issue IDs because its van is broken. How many more facts do you need? And for those who do qualify for an ID, taxpayers will have to pay for them. Voter fraud accounts for 0.00014% of balloting problems so I’d say this law is a solution looking for a problem.

  • Stephanie Agosta says:

    You don’t have a constitutional right to buy an airplane ticket or get a beer. It is your constitutional right to vote and there are plenty of ways to prove who you are without a picture ID.

    And to deny a college student the right to vote with a college ID? Do you think colleges issues ID’s without checking out who the student is?

    Plain and simple – GOP Partisan Politics !

  • Guest9743 says:

    How many known/proven fraudulent votes were cast in the 2012 election? I’ll agree that even one fraudulent vote is too many but I think it’s a stretch to say voter fraud was/is rampant!!!

  • Guest-o-matic says:

    …a’twixt you’n I…
    It doesn’t “suppress” anything. Everyone knows that.

    Nobody else wants to hear it either…so, Shhhh!

  • James jordan says:

    I’m not against ID but the DMV does not give them out free

  • Ann says:

    There is no “rampant voter fraud.” Besides, the only form of elections fraud that could be prevented by demanding that voters produce a government-issued photo ID in order to receive a ballot is felony in-person voter impersonation, the form of elections fraud that is almost never attempted because of its poor odds of success.

  • Vog46 says:

    I think you’ve been hitting the kool aid a bit too hard.
    Voter fraud as a percentage of the overall voter turnout is pathetically low.
    As for voter ID? Lets do the SC thing. DMV goes out, gets seniors and those who are poor and brings them in to take their picture and take them back home. Heck lets make voting a REQUIREMENT for obtaining entitlements !!!!!
    I don’t have a problem with IDs.
    I DO have a problem with limited early voting times
    Not being able to use a government issued ID (Student photo) to vote (when in fact it allows you to access all sorts of government buildings)
    And voting in your school residential area as opposed to absentee balloting to vote back home.

    I believe the NC law will be over turned

    Vog

  • jack ohio says:

    I am canceling my vacation to NC, and will boycott NC goods and services…..I don’t do Racism, and that is what the law is ALL ABOUT.

  • haggler01 says:

    How the heck does requiring voters to show photo identification suppress votes of seniors, students, low wealth people, and people of color? What could be more basic to living in a civilized society than having a valid, government-issued photo ID? Everyone can get one at the DMV for free. You can’t even get on an airplane without one. What the requirement does is suppress rampant voter fraud.

  • Guestg says:

    PLEASE cite the “rampant voter fraud” uncovered in NC? Prosecutions?

    I’ll wait…..it seems there’s been been TWO cases in NC within the last 10 years.

    This law is not about ID-unless you’re elderly and/or disabled, a student or too poor to own a car. And according to the the DMV, there is a $10 charge and you must provide 4 different documents to get one. (oddly, a valid driver’s license being one!)

    It’s about turning away those likely to vote Democratic. Just admit it. ALEC/GOP leadership has said so.

    If you call a pile of crap apple pie, it doesn’t make it so.

  • Stphanie says:

    So exactly what is a “Real American”? Please define for us.

  • Caroline Warren says:

    When a person assumes political office, they assume the responsibilities of that office. One such responsibility is accepting criticism, both public and private. Citizens have every right to protest outside the business of a legislator, as I recently did of my Senator, Pete Brunstetter in Winstn -Salem. I believe in courtesy, both professional, and personal, but not at the expense of free speech. The state legislature has infringed on the rights of citizens this year, and we are saying, no.

    With regard to arguments for voter ID. There is no reason to deny students the use of their state-issued, school ID. Having had one, I see no possible way they could be tampered with, any more so han a drivers license could. The vast majority of students do not change their address on their drivers license to match their on-campus address because it is largely unnecessary and a hassle. Ifthey do not have an NC drivers license, they must provide other documents which are often kept at home with their parents, or cost money to replace, such as birth certificates.

    Furthermore, the Supreme Court ruled in 1979 that students have a Constitutional right to vote where they go to school. I would love to see how it turns out for the Republican on the county board of elections in Elizabeh City who is trying to deny the student there the right to run for City Council on grounds that his on-campus address is not valid.

    You provide identification when you register. That is enough. People are obsessed with the miniscule number of cases in which someone might try to vote twice, but are failing to see how in a misguided attempt to prevent it, are preventing hundreds of thousands of people from being able to vote at all. And before you say Im exaggerating, we have close to 300, 000 students in NC. Appalachan State just had their precinct removed, forcing people in Watauga County to vote somewhere inconveniently located in Boone that only has 35 parking spaces.

  • Steve Lee says:

    Real Americans. I did not realize that the definition of an American was subject to your preferences. My understanding that the definition of a “real” American was written in to law.

  • Guest1234543 says:

    Real Americans yes, anybody that does not have enough responsibility to acquire a proper ID does not have enough judgment to vote in the first place. I for one have been very disappointed in Rabon and consider him a RINO in a lot of his voting, but this time I support him 100% and would have been in Southport today myself if I had have known there was going to be a protest and showing support for him. I hope he becomes more like Goolsby in time and we can get this state turned around.

  • Vog46 says:

    so since taxpayers pay for the legislative building, and the state house – I suppose it would be OK to protest on land the taxpayers own?
    Why then were they arrested?
    Its a free country and free speech by all sides should be encouraged.
    Its how our democratic republic government works.
    Vog

  • Guest 75 says:

    Public protest — at a place of business, at a place of leisure, in the streets — is a legitimate forum for the expression of political grievances. Such expression is in fact guaranteed by the constitution. If senators support controversial legislation, they should expect the controversy to come to their front steps, wherever they may be. Such action is not immature or vindictive, though it may be bothersome to certain people. (Protest generally irks its targets.) But in the end, more than anything, protest is patriotic, wherever it occurs.

  • OtherGuest says:

    It is inconsiderate, immature, and vindictive to target a person’s place of business for political protest.

    Real Americans have more respect for each other.

  • Steve Lee says:

    Real Americans. I didn’t realize there was a special test for that, other than citizenship. What you mean is that YOU don’t consider the protesters to be “real” Americans. American citizenship is defined by Federal law, not your pleasure or displeasure.

  • Adrian says:

    What do you call the non acceptance of a college issued photo ID? The colleges go to great lengths to prove the identity of their enrolled students.

    It’s called Partisan Polticis…at its worst.

  • Plain Silly says:

    You don’t have to be a citizen to go to college so college ids don’t mean you have the right to vote.

  • Guest2020 says:

    The non acceptance of a college ID is to prevent students from voting back home and voting in the precinct where they are attending college.

    There was a man who posted on this subject a while back who said that his son is going to BCC. He received a document in the mail that he had to present to the college in order to obtain his student ID. He was not asked for any proof of who he was before they issued an ID.

  • BJ Ellender says:

    Not everyone goes to the doctor or airport!! What about people who no longer have NCDL, especially elderly? During last election several older folks expressed concern about the ID! All people have the right to vote! And, voting should be very accessible.

  • Guest12345 says:

    Yes all people do have the right to vote. All legal valid voters also have the right to a state issued ID card from the DMV. You don’t need to have your Drivers license, so the elderly don’t have an argument there, and I doubt its the elderly that are even arguing that point. For $10 you can get a government issued ID that is just as good as a drivers license just that it doesn’t allow you to drive. There, problem solved. Therefore the voting is VERY accessible to all who are legal eligible voters.
    Anyone who does not have a valid ID or DL doesn’t have one for a very good reason, and is more than likely not eligible to vote in the US. But if you don’t have a DL, then no matter what your driving record or your history or who you are…black, white, elderly, young, underprivledge, overprivledged whatever, everyone has access to get a state issued ID from the DMV.

  • Guestjohn N says:

    Jim NcNeil could at least tell the truth. Early voting hours have not been cut- same number of hours as last election

  • jean wakings says:

    Shame on you and NC …. America is not about cheating, which is what the Republicans are trying to do….cheat on the backs of poor people who don’t own cars, or are elderly and can no longer drive….shame shame shame…I will NEVER vacation in North Carolina again.

  • Voterid law says:

    One part of the argument that no one has mentioned is that those that do not have ids are predominantly minority, poor and mostly democrat.

    Now, you can say what you want, but what if we passed a law that said you must have an ID to walk on the sidewalk? There are at this moment probably at least 5 people in the country that have escaped from Jail and we need to find them so if you are walking on the sidewalk you better have an ID on you… Would you feel the same?

    Unfortunately, this country has a history of trying to disenfranchise female and minority voters by putting undue burdens on them. People who defend this law say it isn’t how many documented cases of voter fraud, but rather the law instills confidence in the “system”. That’s because the facts say that not one single election in the history of NC has been decided because of Voter Fraud. North Carolina estimates that it will spend $834,200 on voting IDs in 2013 and 2014. Only 1 in 15 million votes is voter fraud. 1 IN FIFTEEN MILLION! Is that wise use of taxpayer money, or is it political capital spent with retaining power in mind?

    BUT, here is my real question. Lets require IDs. Fine. What is the reason for cutting short the voting days? Is that to secure “confidence” in the election? Or just a way to ensure that working class people have less time to vote. So those who are supporters, tell me the “non biased” and “non-partisan” reasons behind that part of the law?

  • Pat says:

    I believe, with all my heart, that if anyone wants to vote and knows the issue and has decided on a candidate for whom to vote, they will make a way to vote.

    If someone elderly needs a ride, one can be provided. If someone one elderly, of color, a student, etc. wants food stamps, welfare, etc. they certainly find their way to where ever they need to apply! They also do it when the doors are open. So there!

  • GRR says:

    For the life of me I can’t see why people are so against voter ID. If I have nothing to hide I’d be glad to show ID when I show up at the polls to vote. On the other hand if I’m there voting for my dead neighbor or relative I can see what the fuss is all about. When McNeil said, “ID law is an attempt to suppress votes for seniors, students, low wealth people and people of color.” What do we have two elections a year? These poor people that are being suppressed can’t make it twice a year to vote? I bet they can make it to Bolivia to sign up for food stamps. Do they have to have an ID to collect the government handouts? I know the students have to have ID to go to school. BTW ID is free at your local DMV so try to get by there before the next election so you can vote these lawmakers out of office if you don’t like the way they are running the state, and in the main time why don’t you stay away from their place of businesses.

  • Guest-o-matic says:

    …where the good Lord splitcha! We don’t need anymore entitlement recipients like you anyway!

  • beach guy says:

    Yeah right the last two people that came down here from Ohio and left were Wilbur and Orville wright. It seems you unemployed welfare seekers like a summer that is more than three weeks long.

  • SASNC says:

    Ohio law requires that every voter, upon appearing at the polling place to vote on Election Day, to announce his or her full name and current address and provide proof of the voter’s identity. Cut- paste from the Ohio secretary of state website, do you not vote in Ohio or are you just a troll?

  • Guest12345 says:

    NC doesn’t want ignorant idiots like you anyways. So please stay away and don’t ever come back as far as Im concerned. This has NOTHING to do with racism and you are purely ignorant if you think otherwise. Stay in OHIO and try to learn something.

  • Guest2020 says:

    Several years ago the NAACP boycotted SC for not giving into their demands to remove a Confederate flag from the grounds of the state capital. SC had a boost in their economy. So, by all means, boycott.

    Please explain what is racist about proving that you have the right to vote.

  • Guestgood says:

    Stay in Ohio don’t buy any goods or services produced in NC either, we do not want or need your ignorance here. Since you feel this is about racism you are ignorant.

  • Guest1022 says:

    Apparantly most of these people can’t see the forest for the trees. While I believe in showing an ID to vote there is a lot more to this bill, and I am beginning to think that ID’s are just a smoke screen to hide the rest of it.

  • GuestID. says:

    You don’t have to be a citizen to get a driver’s license either.

  • Guest123456 says:

    Let me reply to a few of your rants………………..
    An 89 year old man who has pulled out his own teeth should clearly have been institutionalized years ago and should definitely not be voting.( SOME PEOPLE ARE POOR, VERY POOR, PROB A POOR YOU HAVE NEVER KNOWN. AND FYI THE STATE DOES NOT TAKE PEOPLE IN BECAUSE THE PULL THEIR OWN TEETH, A PERSON PULLING THEIR TEETH DOES NOT MAKE THEM ILL. IT TOOK ME YEARS TO GET MY MOTHER IN A HOME, A MOTHER WHO WOULD GO DAYS WITHOUT EATING AND CANT GIVE HERSELF A PROPER BATH.BUT GUESS WHAT, SHE HAS THE RIGHT TO VOTE AS LONG AS ITS HER VOTE. WHEN I TAKE HER TO THE POLLS, I DONT TELL HER WHO I VOTE FOR, I MAKE HER DO HER HOMEWORK ON IT AND WHAT EFFECTS HER. BUT OMG Im a DEM, A HORRIBLE DEM THAT FORCES MY THOUGHTS ON EVERYONE.

    Same with the “under-educated”. I mean, how did that happen? Education is free. These are not “under-educated” they are actual idiots.( JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE IS SLOW DOES NOT MEAN THEY DONT UNDERSTAND THE EVENTS IN TODAYS WORLD, I HAVE A FRIEND WHO WENT TO DUKE, WHO HAS TO HAVE A READING HELPER BECAUSE OF A DISABILITY, OR LETS THINK ABOUT IT. THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE IN BRUNSWICK AND OTHER AREAS THAT IN THE 50’S, 60’S CHILDREN GREW UP POOR AND HAD TO WORK ON FARMS AND DROP OUT OF SCHOOL…SO PLEASE SIR STEP OUT OF YOUR LITTLE BUBBLE.
    MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, DID YOU GROW UP HERE? DO YOU KNOW ANYONE DIFFERENT THAN YOURSELF? HAVE YOU EVER WORKED WITH ELDER PEOPLE? THE POOR? PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES? WELL SIR I HAVE… BY THE TIME I WAS SEVEN I WAS FEEDING MY PARENT, NOT ONCE DID I HAVE HELP WITH HOMEWORK AND TAUGHT MYSELF TO READ. YEP GREW UP ON HUD AND FOODSTAMPS AND PROUD BECAUSE IT MADE ME A HUMBLE PERSON, AND I WILL ALWAYS BE THANKFUL FOR THIS HARDSHIP.

  • Guest2020 says:

    If idiots are not allowed to vote, then I expect you not to be at the polls during future elections.

  • Justin America says:

    An 89 year old man who has pulled out his own teeth should clearly have been institutionalized years ago and should definitely not be voting. Same with the “under-educated”. I mean, how did that happen? Education is free. These are not “under-educated” they are actual idiots. If you are so “under-educated” (after required free education) that you don’t know you need an I.D. at the airport, well and to drive to the airport etc. then you are and idiot. No I.D., no vote. It’s as close to a no idiots law as were likely to get… so of course libs will be against it.

  • Lynn Shoemaker says:

    Until folks can understand what it means to be poor and/or under-educated, it’ll be impossible to reason with them, ie too many people can’t afford to go to the doctor and the poor don’t know they need an ID at an airport. I know an 89 year old man who pulled his own teeth because he couldn’t afford a dentist. He doesn’t drive anymore, but he does walk to his polling place to vote every election.

  • Guest12345 says:

    So all these old folks who were born without a birth certificate have been able to survive all these years with no legal form of identification? I guess they just stay in their house and never come out? No bank accounts, no drivers license? Nothing? Never once have these old folks had any kind of govt issued ID? I truly find that hard to believe.
    If they have no birth certificate, they cant get an ID anyways so what does it matter that the DMV van isn’t running?
    Im not buying your pitty party story.
    If one wants to be a productive member of society they will take responsibility for their own actions and find a way to get the required documentation that is needed for the activities that they wish to participate in.
    If one wants to continue to mooch off of the government, not strive to be productive, and expect free entitlements….whats mine, its your fault not mine, I want more done for me, what are you going to do for me, attitudes, then they will sit where they are screaming…THIS ISNT FAIR…THIS IS DISCRIMINATION!!! Whah WHah whahh….
    Cry me a flipping river and get over yourselves already

  • Guest12345 says:

    Cheating? Really?
    Cheating on the backs of poor people? GIve me a break.

    The people who don’t own cars and the old folks who cant drive. Ok, so please tell me how these same people got to the polls last year? Probably the same way they would have the ability to get to the DMV to get a state issued ID?

    Pure Ignorance at its best.

    Please stay away, we don’t like your ignorance in NC.

  • guesty says:

    Starting Jan 1 2014 the DMV wont charge at all for the ID card. Currently there is no fee for those over 70 years of age, blind, homeless or had a drivers license canceled due to a physical or mental disability or disease.

  • Guest2020 says:

    No student is being denied the right to vote. Students from out of state do not always change their residency, therefore they are eligible to vote in their home voting precinct. Those students are still given IDs by the college and are ineligible to vote where they go to school.

    And yes, the schools do give IDs without checking who the student is. There was a man who posted on this website recently who explained that his son received a notice in the mail to go to Brunswick Community College to get his student ID. The man and his son showed up with that piece of paper. The student ID was issued without the person verifying the identity of the student.

  • Guest2020 says:

    Cutting back on the early voting is probably financial. It was shortened by a week to ten days instead of seven. That still allows everyone the opportunity to vote without it interfering with their work. I was voting before NC had early voting and never missed an election because of work.

    No one is being disenfranchised with requiring identification to vote. The law does not go into effect until January of 2016. Starting January 1, 2014, the NC DMV will no longer charge for ID cards. That gives everyone two years to get the ID needed to vote whether they are minority, poor, democrat, white, rich, republican, multi-racial, middle class, libertarian, independent or just plain unaffiliated.

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