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WILMINGTON, NC (WWAY) -- Walking the streets of downtown Wilmington, you may have noticed a few new signs in the windows of some of your favorite restaurants and bars. That's because starting Tuesday, concealed carry permit holders are now allowed to bring their weapons into places that serve alcohol unless business post a sign forbidding it.

"When you mix alcohol with weapons that can kill, the results are not good," gun control advocate Mebane Boyd said.

She says unlike the NRA she does not believe good guys with guns are the way to stop bad guys with guns.

Sande Carter agrees. She says the only people who should be allowed to have concealed weapons where alcohol is served are those employed to protect us.

"I'm really against it," Carter said. "I think that, again, if you're a police officer or FBI, anybody like that can have a concealed gun, because they're here to protect you."

But Trey Lewis, general manager of Bullzeye Shooting Sports, says opponents of the new law simply do not have all the facts. He says permit holders are not allowed to drink alcohol while carrying a concealed gun, and he says those with concealed weapons are not the ones you should be worried about.

"You shouldn't be afraid for the guy sitting next to you at Outback to have a gun in his pocket to protect himself and his family, because if something happens, he's going to use that gun to protect you as well. He's not going to use that gun on you," Lewis said.

Plus he says it is not the gun that kills people, it is the person holding the gun.

"It's no different than a hammer. It's no different than a screwdriver. It's no different than a baseball bat or a car," Lewis said. "All can be used for good, or all can be used for evil, and that is up to the person that picks it up."

The law says owners who do not want concealed weapons in their business can simply post a these sign at each entrance. Otherwise permit holders can come on the property with their concealed weapons.

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We all have our own reason's

We all have our own reason's to why we say yes or no. My family collects guns ( i go to every gun show with my father ) but I refuse to have one in my home because I have a mentally ill mother for whom i care for. We all have our reasons and I choose what is best for me and my family. Now would I go into a place where they take their guns in ( no if my mother is with me ) better safe than sorry I say.

If a business wants to ban guns it's their choice to do so.

If that offends someone, it's their choice not to patronize that business. End of story.

Time to stop all of this phreakin blather.

It's insanity!!

No sane merchant wants guns carried into their establishments other than gun dealers. By posting the signs merchants have freedom to call the police when they discover a gun no matter who is the carrier. The idea that someone with a permit to carry is going to a bar and not drink is irresponsible and stupid. Most people that come to the bar I go to rarely order coke unless a little rum comes with it. We all know that policemen and firemen can't drink on the job, but how many times do we read in the paper that this happens frequently. All you fat skinheads out there afraid of your shadow ought to wash and iron their George Zimmerman tee shirt and wear it with pride and please stay home so the buggie man wont get you.

Mr T.

I pity the fool!

And an uninformed liberal talking point regurgitating inane fool at that
I might add that it is boogie man (not KC and the Sunshine Band boogie man mind you) not the buggie man which could be either a horse and cart driver or an pest exterminator or your last cell mate depending on your preference or ability to defend your self 24 hours a day in a 8X9 room .
As far a Zimmerman goes he was judged by his peers and found innocent case closed.
I bet you would wish some one had a gun if someone was trying to steal the gold chains around your neck.

Remember God Made Man Sam Colt made all men equal.

No surprise here

Terry has a liberal slant.

If it's concealed

who's going to know anyway. I can carry my 22 pistol in my pants pocket and no one can tell. The word is "concealed", not hanging on your waist like a cowboy.

Which ones?

Why not post a list of the places who are putting up the signs so I know which places not to visit until they take the signs down.

I am sure it won't take criminals long to figure out where their safest place to rob and terrorize people are, just look for the no gun sign since 99.9999% of concealed firearm permit holders follow the law and won't take their firearm into places properly posted.

Those signs do absolutely nothing for the criminal who is willing to break much stronger laws to assault / maim and kill people while trying to rob them.

Also lets face it, this law wasn't put in place solely so people can be safe carrying while in those businesses, its more so they don't have to disarm themselves and lock their firearm in a car while walking to an from places and their car, places like parking decks and dark streets at night. You might be pretty safe in the restaurant, but getting to and from your vehicle or bus stop, probably not.

Another Site

GRNC.org also has a statewide list. This is the group that helped get these good laws passed.

There is a site started for

There is a site started for the Port City with a list of gun friendly and non gun friendly establishments. Also GRNC.org list all establishments that are non gun friendly.

http://www.portcitygunfriendly.com/

That site is useless

No way to submit updates, and no updates have been posted recently. No contact information on the site at all.

A slew of signs went up as of October 1st by business owners who don't understand that the criminals that the signs should apply to could care less about them other than knowing that they will be relatively safe robbing the place.

Don't like open carry in your place because it scares the sheep? Put up a sign that says it, but allows concealed carry by those legally allowed to do so.

signs that do not allow sober conceal

Those businesses that do not allow law abiding sober conceal permit holders do not deserve my money.

No difference, eh?

"It's no different than a hammer. It's no different than a screwdriver. It's no different than a baseball bat or a car"

Umm, yeah. It is different. I can avoid a hammer, a bat, a screwdriver, and more than likely a car if someone is coming towards me to do harm. I can pick up something to shield myself, dodge, or run.

Not too easy when a gun is involved. Those bullets are darn quick and powerful. Much rather take my chances against another human with a non-firing weapon than a bullet coming out of a gun.

I definitely will use something to shield myself

Think about your position for a moment where "I can avoid a hammer, a bat, a screwdriver, and more than likely a car if someone is coming towards me to do harm. I can pick up something to shield myself, dodge, or run" Any of those items can be just as deadly as a person shooting a firearm. In some cases, more so.

If someone were to threaten me or anyone else legally carrying with any of the deadly weapons you describe, the outcome for all involved will likely be better. If a person carrying is forced to draw on someone wielding a gun, hammer, bat, knife, or anything else that would make them fear for their life, the attacker would likely understand that they need to turn around and forget the whole idea. At least that is what I would hope for. According to police, there are incidents in the area quite frequently where someone legally carrying uses their weapon in this way, and avoids any kind of devastating results for either. It's just not reported on. Why not try talking to the pros - the local police and sheriff's deputies - and see what their position is on CWP holders carrying. You might be surprised.

Stand there with with "something you picked up", and the outcome probably wouldn't be as good.

Sesame street smarts more like it

Hey SS I know we are not all teen age mutant ninja turtles like you but what if the guy with the bat is faster on foot than you and cracks you in the back of the head as you are running away? Not everyone has had practice running away from any conflict maybe you could give us some pointers.
I do not know which streets made you smart,but your assumption that you can protect yourself from any assailant is fantasy so that is why I say sesame street smarts is more like it. and as far as hammers go Maxwell's silver hammer scares the hell out of me. And more people are killed with cars than anything else. Ever see what a sixteen inch screwdriver can do pretty scary oops! never mind you would have run away

Go live in some of the third world countries I have lived in and you would cherish the right to pack a gun.

I fully support your right

I fully support your right to be a victim of a crazy person with a gun or a bat.

then that is all the more

then that is all the more reason to meet with equal or greater force to stop a threat. RUN!!! that is whats wrong with this world, running away from this libtard world and let the bleeding hearts take over while the thugs kill everyone!! stand up for what is right and FACE the problems and RUN. cowards . someone comes after me with a deadly weapon , hammer, i am gonna drop them with some lead , quick.

You

You are argument enough for gun control. You're a regular Wyatt Earp aren't you, Chickenboy?

Wyatt Earp died of old age.

Wyatt Earp died of old age.

Wyatt Earp

Damn right...

Rather be tried by 12 instead of carried by 6.

Doesn't matter if the store owners put up signs or not.

You can carry and haven't broken any laws.

clueless liberal

"When you mix alcohol with weapons that can kill, the results are not good," gun control advocate Mebane Boyd said.

No kidding? Thanks for that brilliant observation captain obvious. When legally carrying a concealed weapon, a CCH permit holder isn't, wait for it, ALLOWED TO CONSUME ALCOHOL.

And then she adds this gem:
She says unlike the NRA she does not believe good guys with guns are the way to stop bad guys with guns.

When seconds count, just remember this Mebane, the 'good guys' are only a few minutes away from you. Tick tock. Maybe you could nicely ask the criminal not to hurt you.

I was disgusted.............

at this reporter's words on the TV coverage of this story tonight. She talked about the new law and how "business owners are fighting back". Fighting back? Yes, the evil guns will just jump up and start shooting people. Oh the horror! I bet these whiny liberal business owners would be mighty glad a law-abiding citizen with a concealed weapon is in their establishment when one of Wilmington's numerous thugs comes in to rob it.

Well said

Well said Trey Lewis.

Well that is good news that

Well that is good news that these business's don't consider there any need for a patron to be able to defend his self or family, that imply's to me that the business has their own security in place and can guarantee my family's safety from the time they enter their premise's, from the parking lot till they depart, that's a mighty big responsibility for a business to undertake, in the case of Wilmington I think it would be prudent to call the business and ask them to escort your family into and out to their car, there is an awful lot of murders and robberies going on all across this state, and it isn't getting any better!

Business liability for removing the right to defend yourself

I wonder if the business owner would be liable for damages if someone was hurt by an assailant in their establishment because they refuse conceal carry?

Lord, have mercy on us all

Lord, have mercy on us all with people like Mebane Boyd on the loose. Somehow, these anti-gun folks cannot seem to understand that you CANNOT CONCEAL CARRY AND CONSUME ALCOHOL. You can carry in a place that serves alcohol as long as you do not drink it. I assure you of one thing, I have been a US Marine and a police officer. ANY place that posts a sign telling me my gun is not welcome will NOT get a cent of my money. I hope all others who have a permit to carry as well as everyone pro-gun will do the same.

Yes, God will have mercy on

Yes, God will have mercy on North Carolinians when more people like Mebane Boyd speak up against the legislature's insane laws which allow guns to be carried into bars, as long as the carrier doesn't drink. Am I missing something. . .Just why do people go to bars if not to drink alcohol? Do they serve sarsaparilla (ala the old time cowboy movies) there these days? Even Wayne LaPierre will say guns and booze don;t mix.
Thank you, Mebane Boyd for being concerned about our human right to be free from gun violence.

I will not patronize any

I will not patronize any establishment that has that sign in their window.

boo hoo

I'm sure they'll miss you.

These two folks are so

These two folks are so misinformed. The concealed carrier is not the one you need to worry about. It is the ones who have no license. They will come into a place of business with no license to carry and may be the ones to cause you harm. The permit holders can not drink and carry. We go through to many hoops to get the permit and would not want to lose by not complying.

It time consuming (classes

It time consuming (classes and range), expensive (About $190.00 on the low side), your back ground record is fully reviewed (90 day waiting time), you are finger print, photo'd and the local Sheriff a record of every thing.is on record. States like FL use to keep record of CCW law breakers, They quick because the number was in percent of a percent. CCW are not criminal there follow the law and have to much ivest to want to just throw it a way. By the way if I want to play John Wayne I legaly could strip on my 44 Mag and walk through the streets. NC is and open carry state. I don't because I have no reason to scare anyone.