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Raleigh city councilwoman says Wilmington has nothing educational to offer


, NC (NEWSOBSERVER.COM) -- The Raleigh City Council will head to Wilmington next month for a three-day planning retreat expected to cost more than $11,000 – the council’s first out-of-town meeting in more than 20 years.

The council scheduled the Jan. 29-31 coastal trip on Tuesday after a recommendation from new City Manager Ruffin Hall. Hall wants the council to develop a new strategic plan, and he said the meeting will be more productive if council members leave Raleigh behind.

Councilwoman Mary-Ann Baldwin said she’s against the plan. “It’s an optic issue for me,” she said, referring to how the expense might be perceived by taxpayers.

Baldwin said she’s not against out-of-town travel but thinks it should be an educational trip. She suggested Charlotte as a possible alternative because the council could check out the Queen City’s light rail and other transit resources – the envy of many in Raleigh.

“I would like to go someplace where I could learn something as opposed to going someplace where I won’t learn something,” she said.

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Hey lady (i use the term lady liberally) Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya. We may not be the brightest crayons in the box but we sure are having a good time. Where else in NC does anyone have a county commissioner that gets wasted on occasion and then goes for a drive? While you are here please do not spend any money in our many fine restaurants and etc. Remember those Raleigh tax payers are watching!! Dadgum tea baggers (like our Mr. berger) can be irritating some times.

Smart lady

She's not wanting to waste her city's money. What forward-thinking, innovative programs has Wilmington put forth in the last few years that Raleigh could learn from?


(and in Brunswick Co., they're trying to ban books...not exactly enlightened thinking)

Wanting age appropriate

Wanting age appropriate books in schools is not banning books. It is using judgment. We already have enough waste of time in our schools without promoting drivel that has no educational value.


I agree with Ms. Baldwin about her not being able to learn anything in Wilmington. With her head up her arse, I would doubt she could learn anything in Charlotte either. Ms. Baldwin proves again that You can't fix stupid. The only reason anyone gives a hoot about what her opinion is, is because we all enjoy laughing at STUPID.

Don't Worry About Her

I would look at her remarks as a GOOD reflection on the Port City. Why? Because if a silly, inside-the-beltline, expand-the government, build-light-rail-whether-they-want-it-or-not politician doesn't want to come here, that's in our favor!

If she isn't capable of learning something in ANY town, then that's her problem, not Wilmington's.

Come tour with the WHA

And learn what not to build and support.

i'm ready

to go to war with Raleigh. i'm serious, its time to kick those educated, hard working, sensible, conservative minded, college attending, indoor plumbing using jerks off the state map.

Mary-Ann Baldwin =

Mary-Ann Baldwin = Democrat. Had her dog wee-wee on the state capital building. Another class act from the Commucrat party.

Stay Home

I think the Raleigh Council person can stay in Raleigh and remain bored. She may be right about not learning anything given her attitude, but she will not have a boring time. We have a river, beaches, a vibrant downtown. Raleigh? None of those.

Liberal boot camp

Wilmington can show them what a dysfunctional , liberal municipal government looks like. Kevin O'Grady can be the keynote speaker and show them what to look for when an opportunity knocks ( i.e baseball stadium ). All you will find in the Port City is a crumbling infrastructure that is unable to attract quality industry to the area and liberals who love spending your money unwisely. Absolutely no wisdom will be found here.

While I do not care for her

While I do not care for her arrogant attitude unfortunately her assumptions about this area are pretty much correct. We have nobody to blame but ourselves when we elect people like Berger, Goolsby, Millis and try to elect the likes of Pantano and Rouzer. I've been telling the local GOP for years now but they will not listen.
S.E. NC / Wilmington is the laughing stock of the state and the regular shenanigans perpetrated by our local reps have not gone unnoticed. While areas like Raleigh and Charlotte are looking forward our leadership is in a continual regressive backwards motion.

What a bogus claim. None of

What a bogus claim. None of those people you mentioned are on the Wilmington city council. That group is ruled by Spendocrats.

You are all missing the point...

"she said, referring to how the expense might be perceived by taxpayers."

In no way is she meaning that Wilmington as a city has nothing education to offer, rather she is saying they are spending money just to go somewhere, anywhere that isn't Raleigh. It is a criticism of what she considers a waste of money by the new City Manager. This was not meant as a dig on Wilmington, and the author of the article knows that. They just want to get people riled up.

"They just want to get people riled up."

And you are exactly correct in your statement WeekendWarrior . It's all about half statements on WWAY in BIG BOLD headlines, because WWAY knows their readers will react before reason and their numbers go up.
This station has planted seeds in readers minds way too many times about a story...only to return later in the day with the proper (Full) information that should have been printed to start with.
Award Winning News Team. I really find that hard to believe.
Someone has to critique your work WWAY.

apparently she heard about

our city council and the baseball stadium saga and now has an impression of a bunch of troglodytes running around down here... I suppose that must be the standard out-of-towner "misconception" now heh heh heh.

How funny

I'm not even offended. There are only 2 possibilities for her insightful comment, either she's been here or she hasn't.

Council should never meet out Town

City Council's should never travel out of their municipal limits to hold meetings. Especially a three day planning retreat where the will certainly be discussing the public's business. The public should have easy access to that open meeting and holding such in Wilmington will deny those citizens the right to reasonably monitor their local governing body. It's absolutely identical to meeting in secret because the general public can't possibly attend any portion of the meeting. Yet, that's the point... "new City Manager Ruffin Hall. Hall wants the council to develop a new strategic plan, and he said the meeting will be more productive if council members leave Raleigh behind."

Let's put their retreat

Let's put their retreat meetings in the Creekwood Community Center. I'm sure pretty Miss Smiling Redhead would be racing for her car door, when it was over.

Makes alot of sense. A new

Makes alot of sense. A new boat marina by a new convention center no one comes to but marines and HS proms. I would stay away always. Why not turn Wilmington into a growing city. A nice mall along side the cape fear river which would bring in tourist and employee the locals and college kids. LOL...then they wonder why BERGER made it in council. THINK..THINK NOW!

I have a place in mind

“I would like to go someplace where I could learn something as opposed to going someplace where I won’t learn something,” she said.

Maybe she could stop by an elementary school.


It's public transportation that the woman wants to investigate. God knows she will find NOTHING here. The greatest determent to employment here just may be that people who are trying to get to a job in order to buy that almighty car that we all need can't find a way to get to their job. Or, as in the case of people I know, take the bus and always always always count on a minimum of ONE HOUR to get from Wilshire to a job on Market Street which pays less than $8:00 an hour. And, a bus ride is $2:00 one way. Some days my friend works only 2-3 hours and she pays $4.00 to get there and home anyway. Try it.
To my knowledge the only person who has attempted to call attention to our desperate need for public transportation is city council member Laura Padgett. With no success of course.

If they're going to waste some money .......

..... at least they're going to the right place.

Wasted taxpayer money and Wilmington definitely go together. If they want to feel comfortable blowing taxpayer dollars all they have to do is meet with Wilmington's current City Council. By the time they leave our fair city they'll realize that not only does that happen all of the time around here, the penalty for doing so is that you get re-elected.

A rather arrogant comment

“I would like to go someplace where I could learn something as opposed to going someplace where I won’t learn something,” she said.

Ms. Baldwin...if you don't want to be here...we don't want you here.

trade ya

tell Raleigh we'll send them our council in trade while we have theirs.

Money Grows on Trees

Convention center losing money hand over fist, lose millions by purchasing back a parking deck that, baseball stadiums that are a sure financial loser, water fountain in the middle of one of the busiest streets in town, a flaming liberal city council that is out of control. What more could one want to learn than that?

You haven't been paying attention ! ! !

Oh miss those DMV meeting and you don't find out that the reason the two service stations at Kerr and Market were closed. They had to go to make room for a, ready for this? A ROUNDABOUT ! ! ! Yes, at an intersection where folks apparently can't navigate in straight lines and 90 degree turns, now a giant traffic circle. Maybe that would interest the "trophy" councilwoman!

Money and Trees.........and Bugs

I knew things were bad in Wilmington and New Hanover County. The politicians are completely out of control and do not even bother to try and hide their indiscretions. But...........when one of their own from another location does not want to associate with them, that speaks volumes. When "birds of a feather" no longer want to visit the nest, then that nest is in terrible shape. Congratulations to the local politicians, they are now so bad that other politicians want to keep their distance. "Tax, steal, and spend", along with a few corrupt law enforcement officials, and weekly shootings group together to make this area so appealing to anyone else..........