NC leaders pledge more pay for new teachers; veteran teachers left waiting

WILMINGTON, NC (WWAY) -- For months north carolina teachers have been wearing Red for Ed. Today the governor and other top leaders promised more green for new teachers.

At a news conference this morning in Jamestown, Gov. Pat McCrory vowed to increase first-year pay for teachers and invest in education. McCrory and legislative leaders say they will commit about $200 million over the next two years to raise pay for starting teachers. The plan would bump the pay from about $31,000 to $35,000.

"When I entered the private sector, I learned that investments are needed for results to occur," McCrory said. "Right now, in the past six years or so, North Carolina has not made the needed investments in its teachers."

The goal is to keep good young teachers in the classroom, but one local educator says the raise does not fix the problem with veteran teacher pay.

"Every single person who is watching us right now has had a teacher impact their lives," Murray Middle School teacher Chris Meek said. "To think that those teachers now are not living to the standard that perhaps our viewers are is immoral."

Meek encourages both teachers and parents around the Tar Heel State to call their legislators and voice their concern with teacher pay.

The agreement has a strong chance of becoming law because of the Republican majority in Raleigh.

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this is being done to bring in fresh new faces who will be happy to have a job and the motivation to teach our kids.
With new faces and fresh education, we maybe can pull our State up where it ranks in education.
Not knocking teachers by any stretch. But I am appalled at the constant demanding of raises or something when we have other state workers who are in dire need of raises and never can seem to get them because we are always focusing on teachers and their wants.

As a State employee, my salary is public knowledge. Anyone for any reason can look online and see; when I was hired, what my titles is, how long I have worked for State, and see my pay, and see my raises, IF ANY. I have not had a raise in several years. However; even though I am a public employee paid for by taxpayer monies, which is the reason they make it public, you will NEVER see a public school teacher’s salary information public. Neither is a college level teacher pay made public... My question is WHY? We both are paid with taxpayer funds. Why is my pay public and a teachers not? How about some equality here? Let me see what a teacher makes and let us decide whether they are underpaid or not. What most people do not know is teachers not only get State funds but County pay as well, so do not believe teachers are underpaid; until you see how much they really make. Odds are you never will, which is why they can say they are underpaid, because their pay is private. This is a violation of my civil rights. But then a white male GOP member has no rights, do we?

Public school teachers' pay rates are very accessible and easy to locate BECAUSE THEY ARE PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE. Pleas go to a browser on the Internet and type in NC teacher pay schedule and there you have all the information. Do you work 50 plus hours? Most teachers do and much more, so yes we do deserve a raise! Also, most state jobs do not require a 4-year degree, but teaching does, so again, yes we need a raise! Since you can read this, you need to thank SEVERAL teachers....that need a raise!!!!!

Teachers salaries are absolutely public knowledge. Google "nc teacher salaries 2013-2014". It will show you a PDF file that will explain what every school employee makes in the state. From principal to teacher, it's all there.

Teachers are not your enemy. They are simply more vocal than other state employees. I'm an educator along with my wife. My dad is a state employee who hasn't seen a raise in a terribly long time either. He is just as deserving as we are.

Actually you can check the salaries of local public school teachers using the 'What We Earn' feature on the Star New's website.

Sad to see that my son's Calculus teacher makes a whopping $31,670/year. An excellent teacher who goes above and beyond and that is all we can pay him.

What you see is a range for a generic teacher for a generic number of years. You will never see that teachers name or their bonus, perks and extra pay they get from Counties and local pay. Try again or prove me wrong. Show me where I can put in a teachers name and see what he or she TOTAL salary is. Please prove me wrong!

Um, sorry to burst your bubble but teacher pay is public knowledge. Google NC teacher pay scale 2013-14 (then compare that yo 2007-2008). It is all there on the DPI website. Also, county supplements are public as well. Google is your friend. County supplements are minimal, rarely amounting to more than a thousand dollars depending on county (larger more wealthy counties can pay a little more). But, please get your facts straight before posting lies.

Hey Casey,

Still waiting for you to show me where I can see your name and how much you make as a teacher!

Look at this website and, as a State employee, my name is on here, but a teachers is not... WHY?

http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/02/14/989482/state-government-salaries....

Whenever you are ready to man up, or woman up, and tell the truth, let me know!

"However; even though I am a public employee paid for by taxpayer monies, which is the reason they make it public, you will NEVER see a public school teacher’s salary information public. Neither is a college level teacher pay made public... My question is WHY? We both are paid with taxpayer funds. Why is my pay public and a teachers not?"

Maybe, just maybe, it's the all-powerful, all-knowing, we-work-in-your-best-interest...teacher's union.

You do realize the teachers dont have a union. They have a lobbying group in the state but since we are a right to work state they are not a union. As far as published salaries. If you go to Starnewsonline.com they have a dtatbase with all public employees salaries including teachers. All you have to do is request them.

when the Democrats were in charge in North Carolina? chirp-chirp-chirp (crickets)

How do you think McCroy got into office? We were sick of what Perdue was doing, and wanted a change. The problem is that Pat hasn't helped himself at all. Don't forget that when Easley left office teachers were being paid slightly above the national average. This has stopped being a repub/dem issue. This is a "who will treat me like I matter" issue.

Your Truly,

A Republican

The fact is that when you pay teachers some of the worst wages, you are going to get the worst educational system. The better people are going to go to make more money in other states. At the wages NC pays, you are not going not going to get teaches with Duke or Wake degree. You are going to get teachers with let's just say "lesser educations"

then by your own admission what we have teaching now is the bottom of the barrel huh???? the better teachers have already moved out of state, all the more reason to offer new hires more pay to get those better teachers back into our system, thanks for clearing that up for us "Hope"

why doesnt anyone ask where 3 billion dollars that educational lottery has brought in, i never see any one asking. who pockets is all that money going in. everytime the ed. lottery commercial come on tv. they always talking about all the money the ed, lottery has brought in, please tell us where all that money going,

Your schtick is old. We have repeatedly shown you where it goes and how it's divvied up.

Vog

NC lotto money still goes to education. The issue is that the money that originally went to education is now being used to fund other areas and is simply being replaced by the education lottery. So there is no increase that has come about by the education lottery. Great idea, horrible implementation.

To all the residents of North Carolina,
Now that our precious cry baby teachers are appeased the rest of the state employees that haven't had a raise in seven years can have their turn. They have had to wait all these years because our precious teachers had to have their say. All of the state employees that take care of the court system the roads and the state laws need their money too. Most of them do their job even though they are behind in their pay 7 to 8 thousand dollars a year maybe more. So when all of you complain about your jobs and your pay think about the State Employees that are still waiting.

I agree with you about state employees needing a raise. But to call teachers cry babies is a punk move. My wife and I are both educators. You are telling us that we shouldn't voice our opinion when we have to decide whether or not we can afford milk that week? Do not speak of what you do not understand. This raise will make it so that a new teacher will make more than my wife who has seven years experience and a masters degree, and puts in 50 hours a week while being 7 1/2 months pregnant.

That's not even counting the number of state employees who have lost their jobs over the past few years due to state budget cuts. I am sick of the teachers whining when so many are in worse situations.

I'm sorry but how much money did you spend on a college education to spread asphalt and shuffle papers behind a desk in a courthouse? Teaching is a profession, not a job. They should be paid and treated accordingly.

Just do the right thing and tell us your name and your total annual salary, to include your base, county and any bonus you received. Oh and explain this... If we have a person who spreads asphalt or shuffles papers behind a desk in a courthouse and they decide to get a Masters or PHD. Should they get a raise? They are still spreading asphalt and shuffling papers. Why should a 3rd grade math teacher who gets a Masters or a PHD get a raise after that when they are still teaching 3rd grade math. They are doing no more work, no more responsibility no more nothing. Why should you get a raise?
Oh and you never answered my question. Why is teachers’ pay not listed by name like other taxpayer funded jobs are? Perhaps because you really don’t want to see how much money you really make? Remember I pay your salary and I should see what you make.

Wayne what is your obsession with being able to see how much we make? It's all public knowledge just google it! My name is on the school's website, my base pay is on the DPI website, and any supplement from my county is announced in August through a press release.

And as to why a teacher with an advanced degree should make more money is simple. It's why anyone gets a Master's or Doctorate degree...to make more money! It's really that simple. It's why anyone goes to college.

There is a big debate in education on how to reward good teachers, and rewarding teachers with advanced degrees was one of the ways to do that. Pat's proposal for rewarding the top 25% is poorly thought out and goes completely against what a professional learning community should be.

May I ask you a question, “A teacher” ,
What is your obsession with not wanting your name and your full salary made public by NAME, like other State Employees? It is about equality for all State Employees. Anyone can go to this website:

http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/02/14/989482/state-government-salaries....

On this site it says: “
The State Personnel Salary database lists all state government employees and their salary, department, position and age. It does not include Public School employees, General Assembly employees, University System employees or UNC Hospitals employees. It does not include employees' bonus, overtime, annual leave, longevity or summer pay.
It is current as of February 4, 2014 and is updated monthly.”

Only teachers whose pay is not listed BY THEIR NAME complains about not being paid enough! WHY?
Why are you afraid to have your name and pay listed? You ask why I want to see what you make? Because if you can see what I make then everyone should be able to see your salary, so we can decide if you are underpaid. As a footnote, my daughter’s 2nd grade teacher is a joke. She has no business being a teacher. I will add that no-one is holding a gun to your head to make you become or stay a teacher. You knew the pay scale when you applied for the job. Yet, you took the job. Why?
Lastly, you teachers have a quasi-union to represent you IE; “NCAE” and your total pay is not available for anyone to see, so of course you can say you are not paid what you WANT to be paid. Tell everyone your name and show us your W2 and let us decide if you are underpaid.
I will close with this: You will receive more respect and appreciation from everyone if you tell the truth, and stop hiding behind a wall of “ we don’t get paid enough” Just tell the truth!

Wayne I have no obsession about concealing that information. I make exactly what is listed on the DPI payscale and my county supplement was announced at the beginning of the year via a press release. Take the foil hat off there is no conspiracy by teachers to conceal our identity and pay...It's all public knowledge even if it's not on that website. Every school you work at has your name under faculty and staff and on that school's report card there is a percentage of the faculty's years of experience thus their pay. Administrators are required to keep within certain guidelines so that the school has a diverse faculty with new, experienced, and advanced degree teachers.

And why did I take the job? Because I actually love what I do, feel like I make a difference every day, and know that I'm doing good in this world. That's why. But bills are bills, student loans are student loans. Teachers who pay their way through college like I did will not be able to support themselves on a teacher's salary. Everyone should have a problem with that. If there are other state employees that go to school for 4 years and whose salary when they get a job does not allow them to get out of debt I have a problem with. Do you get the idea here? I could care less about people seeing what I make, the more transparency the better. You want my name on that list I have no problem with that. My salary is already listed publicly by DPI and again all supplements and bonus money is also part of the public record.

I make roughly 30 grand a year, before taxes, retirement, medicare, etc.. so take roughly a 1/3 of that out and that's what I take home. I work waiting tables on the weekends and during the summer to provide more than just the very basics for my family.

Finally if your child's teacher is a joke it is your right as a parent to enroll her at a different school, or if transportation is impossible to move her to another teacher. Take a more active role in her education instead of complaining and pointing fingers at the teacher. I don't know that teacher but I can assure you with the new teaching standards we are being held to he/she will not stay employed for long if she truly is a joke as you claim.

A teacher, not wanting split hairs here, but the fact still remains that as you yourself said
“school's report card there is a percentage of the faculty's years of experience thus their pay”.
That tells me nothing! No one can look up your name and your pay! See my point? Take your tin foil hat off and admit you like being “special”.
This will be my last post on this, to you, as teachers, as a whole, feel that more pay equals better students. I cannot move a brick wall like yourself. All of this could be over in just one day, make your pay public so we can comment on it, or give the rest of government employee’s equal raises and take our name off a public website for all to see! Simple, isn’t it? If that is the case then why did you take a job teaching here instead of New York, or better yet Detroit, where teachers make 70, 80, 90+k a year?
And as you yourself said you make 30+k in only the school year! Then you get 3 months off to play during the summer, or wait tables as you say.
Common Core will be a death knell to the education system for our students. Not all students will be able to make the grade, but will be passed up in the interest of diversity and “no child left behind” In other words pass ‘em on up!
Yes, we would move my daughter, but the “public schools” are a government bureaucracy and if I could move her, we would, but “enrollment” quotas have to be met.
I do not make enough money to put her in private school now, but she will be in a private school come middle school, as we will do whatever it takes to keep her from that disaster.
Take care “A teacher” and I hope you get your raise, but you still will not have earned the respect and appreciation of people hiding behind a wall. More” Money” for you will never make students smarter, and you know that! As Mr. Spock says; Live Long and Prosper!

This will be the last time I say this so try to comprehend what I'm saying. I don't care about being on some list, I never knew the list existed before you shared that link. My salary is not some big secret. You have a problem with being on that list, fine I understand that. Find me proof that the NCAE or any other teacher's association fought for teachers to not be on that list. Until you do spare us the conspiracy theories that teachers are hiding our salaries from the public.

As for my salary, I am on the books for 40 hours a week. In reality I work on average 50+ hours a week developing lessons, grading papers, etc.. This is not a job that you just clock in and out and you're done for the day. My pay does not include after school activities, PTA meetings, Science Night, Fall Festival, tutoring, etc.. And somewhere you added a month to the summer as we are off 8 weeks.

As far as teacher pay and student achievement you can argue both sides. There is no definitive proof of either argument being correct. The simple fact is the #1 influence in student performance is the teacher. My argument is that you will not attract the best teachers by paying them the least amount of money. More money will equal more competition, which will leave those bad teachers without jobs. As I said before in another post Wayne I'm not for throwing more money at education, but redirecting the money we are already spending to teacher's salaries. Use your link and take a look at the average salaries given to DPI employees. These "consultants" and "directors" who never spend a day in the classroom are being paid on average close to 100 grand a year. You are absolutely correct that education is a bureaucracy and you will never find a teacher who likes or supports that aspect of their job. Try to realize that we are on the same team here Wayne. Teachers are just the front line taking all the hits for an education system that is too top heavy and is being run by people who know nothing of what goes on in the classroom.

The good news Wayne is that if you are as involved in your child's education as I think you are she will be able to overcome any of the shortcomings you experience in public education. Another statistic which isn't easily attained is how many of our kids have parents who are involved, reading and conversing with their kids on a daily basis. Always remember you are the #1 influence in their lives and how much you value education will define how much they value it.

Education majors have lower IQs than almost all other college majors. A lot of kids get into college and can't handle their studies for their chosen majors so they switch to education because it is an easier major to obtain.

My husband was one of those people to "shuffle papers behind a desk in a courthouse". He has a Juris Doctorate. He went for years without a raise and was left unemployed by the state budget cuts. Instead of whining about what teachers don't have, they should be grateful for what they have.

You know I've read this same thing from you several times before on other articles and if it makes you feel better about whatever jobs you or your husband do or did then more power to you.

I'm sorry your husband was laid off but that has no connection with teacher pay. So because he was expendable that means I should be grateful for having the 3rd worst salary among my peers in the United States?

This was part of Pat's plan from the get go. His budget from last year completely gutted education. He cut teaching assistants, funding for textbooks, funding for professional development, took away career status, and did away with tenure. Now he throws a few crumbs by increasing the base salary for the smallest # of teachers and ignores the rest that have been suffering like your husband was. You of all should be able to relate to why this is like a slap in the face to teachers. Imagine your husband making the same salary for years and now the new guy who just started (who will eventually replace him and make him expendable) is already making what took him 10 years to earn. That is what this "pay raise" does.

And FYI I'm not a 10 year veteran teacher. I would qualify for this pay increase but it doesn't blind me to the fact this is unfair to those who have been teaching much longer than I have.

The average teacher's salary in North Carolina is above the average of all workers in the state and teachers get more time off. If you don't like the salary then seek other employment. Given the condition that the state is in and the other state employees that are suffering, the teachers are being rather selfish. And yes, you have a job. You have a salary. You have more than a lot of people out there and you should be grateful for what you have. I know a lot of people who would gladly take your pay for the job you do. And they sure as heck would like to have all the days off.

My husband and I have both worked in industries where they would hire new people in making as much, if not more, than we did although we had been with the company for years. They raised the minimum wage and the new hires would make almost as we made. We didn't like it, so we sought employment elsewhere. That is the way the world works.

My husband and I grew up in schools where there were no teacher's assistants. Guess what? Our education was a heck of a lot better than what my kids are getting. If they don't change the standardized tests every year, then there is no need for new textbooks. Everyone knows that it isn't the academics that matter, it is the score on the tests. I know that isn't the fault of the teachers, it's the stupid system. My teachers had an annual convention. The school put on a carnival to raise funds for the teachers to attend that convention. All this professional development wasn't needed because they knew their jobs. They knew what they were doing. And they were excellent at what they did. As for the governor doing away with tenure--that was the absolute right thing to do. No teacher's job should be secure at the expense of the students. Tenure only serves to protect the bad teachers.