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Hamilton, Iler, Davis sponsor bill to keep NC film incentives from ending

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WILMINGTON, NC (WWAY) -- Three area lawmakers have sponsored a bill in the North Carolina House of Representatives that would keep the state's tax incentives for film projects from ending.

HB 1142 would eliminate what's known as the sunset date from the film incentives. Currently the incentives are set to run out at the end of the year. The bill also proposes increasing the necessary threshold for spending by a project from $250,000 to $300,000 to qualify for a 25-percent tax rebate from the state.

The bill has bipartisan support from the local delegation. Its primary sponsors include Susi Hamilton, a Democrat who represents part of New Hanover and Brunswick counties, along with Republicans Frank Iler (Brunswick County) Ted Davis (New Hanover County). Democrat Becky Carney of Mecklenburg County is also among the bill's primary sponsors.

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Call them what they are - REBATES

It is so sad that the term "film incentives" ever got started. People in my area hate "incentives" because this is mostly up-front money we gave a company or airline or whatever to come here and do what they promised (usually create a lot of jobs in the area). Often they break those promises and shut down, but our "incentive" money never comes back - thus the bad feelings. Calling it "rebates" says they have met their promises already, they have paid in their money, and are now getting some of it back, as we have promised them. That is a much nicer way to do business....

It's very simple

Does NC need JOBS? Yes. We lost more jobs than any other state in 2013 (from the WSJ).

Film incentives are a fact of life in 40+ states-including RED states: Georgia, Louisiana and South Carolina.

NC crew are world-class, experienced and in-demand. (thanks to Dino dI Laurentiis for bring in master artists and technicians 30 years ago and training our locals).They WILL go to where the jobs are, along with their families and the vendors/businesses that support the industry.

The film industry supports local businesses, tourism, and provides opportunity for our state's film schools graduates. Crew, cast, vendors, businesses all pay state sales and income taxes. Local crew pays property and income taxes.

WHY, why, why, oh, why does the NC GOP/TEA PARTY have its head so far up its backside that it cannot see
what a "no-brainer" it is to keep and lift the sunset on the incentives?

The DARK SIDE of Bollywood

Credits The Last Refuge...
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James O’Keefe Documents Extremely Hypocritical Hollywood Team Happily Willing To Undermine U.S. Energy Independence To Benefit Saudi Oil… (Video Sting Included)

This undercover video is brilliant. James O’Keefe creates a sting where he is willing to finance an anti-fracking movie for Hollywood environmentalists. His approach is to use a fictitious character named Muhammad who will only finance the film under the agreement the film’s intent must be to undermine U.S. energy independence.

The Hollywood crew consisting of Ed Begley Jr, Mariel Hemingway, and producers Josh and Rebecca Tickell are totally willing to disguise the source of the funding, and they each agree to conspire to undermine the U.S. Energy Economy.

AND Ya'll want to give these Folks from Hollywood INCENTIVES???

video link here---> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOX5ehfFF7I

How Much Money Did Hollywood Make Last Year

According to the Hollywood Reporter, film companies earned over 12.5 billion dollars last year.

Let me repeat: 12.5 billion dollars! Billions!

And NC wants to subsidize the industry.

Fools in the legislature. Fools! Nothing like a political fool, and NC has lots of them.

FOOLS!!! Yes there plenty of

FOOLS!!! Yes there plenty of them ever where, not just in N.C. Were you one of the fools that went to see these movies? Or rent them on tv? Somebody does, for them to make that much money.

How can you be this stupid?

How can you be this stupid? Do you not realize all that revenue from the 75% tax rate on 100 million a year DOES NOT EQUAL the taxes generated from 1 million a year revenue on 100% tax rate after all the film crews leave?

What is there so difficult to grasp about this? Oh that's right, most of you back water hicks dropped out of middle school in the 8th grade. Get an education then worry about a job you idiots, you bring the rest of America down.

Who cares what an industry makes as long as we make more.

Don't be anti profits. If you knew how this machine worked, you wouldn't be against it. Unless of course you're a SC resident.

Not to worry

that golden horn of plenty will not be filled to over flowing by the legislature.

Local politicians and hacks may fluster and bluster, but at the end of the day, the Legislators know there is no state revenue available to fund everyone's wish list.

Even the Legislators have enough sense not to approve film incentives if it inhibits the state's ability to provide teachers and state employees with a salary increase.

So far the members of the Wilmington film family have not taken up the gauntlet and offered to fund film incentives by rebating a portion of what they earn or are paid for services and supplies. I would have thought they would want 75% of something rather than 100% of nothing.

Cue SurfcityTom and Vog

Let's here it from these guys. Especially curious what Vog from LA has to say about incentives in NC, or any other state or country he likes to troll.

Cheesy logic

Cheesy logic: Attacking a person to enhance your position because you can't refute the studies that have proven that the incentives lose money for NC. If that wasn't the case, you would have used the film industry's report (a study with more holes than Swiss cheese) to refute the others but I guess even you are aware of how flawed that one has proven to be or you would have mentioned it. Looks like desperate times require a more cheesy approach.

Here's a thought: If you're going to shill for the film industry, and your weapon of choice is cheesy logic, maybe a more representative user name than "Philosorapter" would be helpful. Perhaps FiloWrapper (sounds similar but it embraces the concept of film industry dough wrapped around something cheesy) or even RushLimburger. Either one would help you to cut your cheese more effectively.

Oh, one more thing .... How do we know that YOU aren't just some paid PR hack sitting in an office in Tinseltown? Goodness knows you sure sound like one.

Phil

Keep trying Phil keep trying.
Rather than disputing the multitude of studies that say film incentives don't "pay" you choose to try misdirecting the argument saying I'm from California.
heh, heh, heh......
Try going through the ball park debate on the WWAY blogs or city council spending.
Nice attempt but just proves your stupidity....

Vog

He'd probably say….

That these incentives cost the state money. In California we fight the incentives just the same, despite us being in the film industry. Film subsidies are a losing game for everyone. http://filmincentives101.tumblr.com

Federal oversight in this case would be far more ideal, than states fighting in a race to the bottom.

Philosoraptor

first, let me note that is quite a name. Does it reflect on a bygone portion of your life when Dinosaurs roamed?

Local politicians really had no choice in the matter. Even though it is doomed to failure, they had to make the effort to placate the local film industry members. And if Ms. Hamilton receives revenue of any type from film activities, she must not vote on the bill when it comes up for a vote.

No member of the Legislature is going to vote against education to promote film industry bribes. Even they are not that dumb.

Now, the bill goes into a committee for review, debate, and possible amendment. That can take weeks or months, which the short session does not allow.

The Chairman of that committee can manuver and wiggle to keep the bill from coming up for a vote in committee.

Were it to pass in committee, it then comes before the full House for debate, amendment, or vote. It can be returned to committee for further review.

At some point, if it is still before the full House, the Speaker can schedule it for floor debate and a vote. OR, as happened last session, he can table it for the next legislative session in 2015.

I've been around legislative bodies, professionally, since the mid 1980s. I don't see it passing this year. Personal opinion backed by years of watching and lobbying state Legislatures in North and South Carolina as well as Virginia.

A week or 10 days ago, I noted the only chance this endeavour would have was if it was backed by savy legislators who know how the system works; know which other legislators to lobby; and were willing to put their credibility on the line.

That did not happen. The 3 locals are making a face saving gesture to appease local voters.

And at the end of the day, someone has to find the funds to include in an amended budget. They did not. From what I've read, their rose colored glasses cause them to think they can have film incentives; maintain medicad; and offer teachers and other state employees a raise.

The harsh reality is, there is no money available.

The state has to pay back a minimum of $142 million to the Feds for money borrowed to maintain the Medicaid albatross. Unhappy about that, go see Perdue and Easley. They did the borrowing.

But no doubt the film industry advocates will want to blame W or yours truly.

Blame away all you want. This propoal, at these levels, with no indication where the money is to come from has about as much chance as a wounded dove on opening day.

I still have not seen any of the film industry members or local businesses, who would have you think the end is near, take up the proposal of rebating 20% of what they earn or are paid for services.

Make that offer, the state might match with 5%. After all, isn't 80% of something better than 0%?

Nice open face lies SurfCityTom

You are such a liar, just like every Republicain I have ever met. Oh look, a study with pictures and colors for you to read: http://www.leg.state.nv.us/Session/77th2013/Exhibits/Assembly/TAX/ATAX13...

Holy cow, what is that in that study? Why, it says that film incentives are one of the beneficial economic programs compared to others. Why... that makes you a liar? I bet you don't care because Republican's know they lie to get a point across. Anyways, enjoy the money out of your pocket you idiot, that's the only thing you're accomplished.. wait, unless you live in Georgia...

At last it hits the fan

you can'nt face the truth. You can'nt face reality.

So resort to name calling. The normal DEMOCRAT/LIBERAL response to truth.

Perhaps you should try that magic drug for Democrats and liberals, "tryphorgettin".

Seemed to work during the Clinton Administration.

When all else fails; when mirrors and smoke don't work, tryphorgettin.

At the end of the day, despite all of your bluster and name calling, this bill, as written, is doomed. It may not even get out of committee.

But why don't you industry supporters enact your own incentives? Why not rebate 25% of what you are paid in Salary and for services and materials? After all, isn't 75% of something better than 100% of nothing? But you won't; like all entitlement recipients, you want a free ride.

Wait; stop the presses. That link takes one to the "vaunted" study commissioned by the Motion Picture Association. That's the study with more holes in it than swiss cheese.

Can'nt you come up with your own thoughts?