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Sheriff explains policy violated by demoted deputies

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WILMINGTON, NC (WWAY) -- We are learning more about the demotion this week of two New Hanover County sheriff deputies for conduct unbecoming.

Sheriff Ed McMahon could not say what Sean Jones and Larry Robinson did, because it is a personnel matter, but he says conduct unbecoming could be any number of violations that reflects poorly on the department.

"It could be. You name it," McMahon said. "Something that you would think when you heard it, you know what, a law enforcement officer is not supposed to do that, especially a staff officer. And that could be from on-the-job things to personal life things."

Both men have been with the sheriff's office since the early '90s.

On top of losing rank, Robinson and Jones had their hourly pay docked as well.

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no show

they aint been back to work yet heck maybe they done quit

then Mr Marlarky, why didn't

then Mr Marlarky, why didn't you just terminate the officers rather than demote them and turn them loose on the general public for them to take their frustrations out on???? code of silence, right??????????

Government employees (public

Government employees (public servants) should be accountable to those who employ them (the taxpayers).
There is no valid reason to invoke "personnel matter" regarding a public employee's shortcomings, failures, mistakes, or illegal actions while on the job in the service of the public. The public is deserving to know specifically any punishable actions committed by any public servant.
This is a small portion of the continuing trend of governments to withhold information from the public that they represent, the unstoppable evolution of a government for the people to a people that exist for the government.
But as long as the public continues to elect representatives such as the one quoted in this article, who is either incapable of making lucid statement or deliberately bullshitting us, we cannot expect anything else.

Yes, there IS a valid reason.

You wrote: "There is no valid reason to invoke "personnel matter" regarding a public employee's shortcomings, failures, mistakes, or illegal actions while on the job in the service of the public."

There is a difference between a personnel matter and a performance matter. If they do something wrong while on the job, it's a performance matter. If they do something while off-duty, it's a personnel matter. Deputies can be - and have been - fired for any number of things that are not at all related to their jobs. For example, a deputy can be fired for having an extramarital affair. That's a fact, and it has been done. Off-duty means you're NOT paying that deputy when they're not working, yet they can still be fired because adultery looks bad. No, I am NOT condoning extramarital affairs. I'm simply pointing out that it has nothing to do with their jobs, and you're not paying them while they're off-duty.

Under the law

employees are employees, regardless if they work in the private sector or in a public position. These guys were hired; not elected.

There is a difference.

Don't like it; get the law changed.

I felt that I made it clear

I felt that I made it clear in my comments that I was speaking of employees first and, separately, in my last sentence, elected officials. My apologies if you were not able to understand.

I maintain that there is in fact a difference in private sector and public sector employees. Public sector employees are employed by me and all the other taxpayers. We pay their salaries. Hence, it is in our interest to know the details of any disciplinary actions.

Private sector employees are employed by private companies that pay their salaries, hence their employment is none of my business.

As for your last sentence, it is very easy to encapsulate one's unwarranted contempt and belligerence into a trite phrase. I would note that it is in fact uncalled for and unnecessary in a public forum.

You have a problem

like it or not, employees have certain rights regardless of whether they work in the public or private sector.

You pay taxes, I assume. You do not directly pay an individual's salary. That is done by the city or county which employs them. The body to which youay taxes.

Your maintained difference will not hold water in a court of law.

This is a public forum. I noted the only way the current employee regs can be amended is by having a statute approved and signed into law.

You might look in a mirror before accusing someone of an act which can apply to you.

Race Card- Don't Leave Home Without It

I guess not all deputies are expected to live up to the standards, and tell the truth.

Sheriff "explains" policy?

It "could be any number of violations that reflects poorly on the department ... It could be. You name it,"

Well thanks for clearing that up for us Sheriff!

Not so sure that including the word "explains" in the headline was the best of choices either.

It's about time the right

It's about time the right steps are finally being taken. These offices have run around here for years breaking the law to uphold the law.We the People have lost faith in the justice system. It's hard to teach our kids to respect the law when our officers don't respect us as law abiding citizens.Way to go Mr.McMahon you're on the right path :-)

Double Standard ? Credibility ?

That really clears everything up.

Over the years, I can think of three white Law Enforcement Officers, in SE North Carolina, who were immediately fired. And had their pending court cases dismissed, the moment it was discovered they lied about something.

Something tells me, this is far from over.

Will he swear the inmates in next?

I believe you have way more problems going on under your nose than two to four staff officers not able to use self control around females. Although it's been a pattern for a lot that you refuse to deal with until the Law Suit filed against Jones and another that will come out by Monday. By you or US.