Amendment to try and save film incentives passes NC House

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Submitted: Fri, 08/01/2014 - 3:12am
Updated: Fri, 08/01/2014 - 12:45pm

WILMINGTON, NC (WWAY) — The NC House passed an amendment this afternoon that may save film incentives in the state for at least one more year.

Rep. Ted Davis (R-New Hanover County) introduced the amendment on the NC House floor this afternoon that would keep film incentives closer to what they are currently at least for the next year. It passed 77-36.

The bill will need to clear some more procedural votes before adoption and heading to the Senate.

The proposal for film incentives included in the proposed state budget is a grant-based program that would cap incentives at $10 million. Davis’s amendment would raise that cap to $40 million, and instead of a grant would be instituted as a tax credit.

Davis was brought to tears on the House floor saying he’s never worked as hard on an issue as he has the one of film incentives.

“These things that really need to be addressed so we can come back as I said earlier,” said Rep. Ted Davis, on the floor of the house today, “during the long session, and address the film incentive issue.”

His amendment would reduce the current film incentive tax credit from 25 percent to 22.5 percent. It would also require a “Made in North Carolina” logo be attached to the end of any movie or production using the credit.

“We are ecstatic, we are ecstatic, we are looking forward to the study next year that is going to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt and once and for all that the film industry brings thousands of jobs and millions of dollars to the state every year,” said Rep. Susi Hamilton, who also voted for the amendment.

The bill will go on to the Senate for approval. If included in the entire budget it would be voted on again by both houses before going to the Governor to be signed.

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37 Comments on "Amendment to try and save film incentives passes NC House"

2015 years 8 months ago

All the fighting and pleading for the extension of the film incentives has apparently fallen on deaf ears. Oh well, just one more industry loss in NC. Looks like all the old pros in the industry will have to start over somewhere else. Good luck. My advice to you young folks with only 4 or 5 years experience on those little TV shows and low budget movies shot in NC the last couple of years is to hang around and wait for one of the new industries promised with the Guv’s new incentive plan, because you are NOT going to just pop into GA or Louisiana and think you are going straight to work. Ain’t gonna happen. Those states are crewed up with plenty of veterans with many years of experience. As for all you older guys in Wilmington and Charlotte you should have seen this coming and gotten out way before now. It’s going to be tough for you also. Just thankful a few of us saw the future and got the hell out years ago.

2015 years 8 months ago

Take it from a seasoned veteran of the film industry, we all saw this was coming. My advice to all you kids with 5 years or less experience is good luck. At least the older pros can start over in other places. I’m telling you now , it’s going to be tough trying to break into the GA or Louisiana markets. They already have very experienced cews in place. It makes me laugh when someone is interviewed about jobs and the say “I’ll just go work in Georgia” . Like they’re just going to move in and take over. That is NOT going to happen . For all you people in NC that voted Republican I say thank you. You should be really proud if yourselves, you have Mccrory and all his money grubbing buddies running the state into the ground. Good luck. Like I said before, don’t blame the idiots in Raleigh, blame the idiots right next to you that voted them in.I am so glad I was smart enough to get out when I did. You poor souls that waited and wasted all this time till now are going to be hurting.

2015 years 8 months ago

Ace reporter Surfy tells us that the Senate went home and the film incentive is toast. Why haven’t you reported this. The Raleigh News and Observer reports that the Senate voted last night and went home with no action other than the 10,000,000 they proposed. There was a mention of the house action in their report.

C B Lewis
2015 years 8 months ago

Davis needs to apply himself to all the others that needs taxes credit not just the film people. This is the way Democratic do it.Do it for one and forget all the others that need it to. Shame on all of you for giving our taxes dollars away period. Have you every heard of share and share alike, i doubt you have.

Hard Working Crew Member
2015 years 8 months ago

Film Members also pay taxes, so we are paying in too. Perhaps you should do more studying on this matter. I lot of jobs could be lost and families will be with no jobs. I guess you will be complaining about paying us unemployment then. Thank you C B Lewis for not thinking he did a great job. THANK YOU MR. DAVIS FOR ALL YOU DO. FYI, I’m a Republican!

2015 years 8 months ago

He’s a Republican.

It has to pass a full House Vote and then go to the Senate for approval.

The Senate will be taking the final vote on its Budget tomorrow, Friday.

Note the House vote is over proceedural matters and could easily be tabled as a proceedure.

He also doesn’t indicate where the funds are coming from.

Don’t count on it passing at this late date.

Update — shortly after midnight, the Senate approved its budget. Look at item 65 on page H-15. $10,000,000 is budgeted as a grant. There it is in black and white.

Now the house can either get in line or the existing budget continues which means no raise for teachers and state employees and no film incentives in any form after 12/31.

You film supporters really need to learn something about the legislative process. More importantly, you need to learn something about effective lobbying.

You film supporters never learn.

2015 years 8 months ago

They only get back a small percentage of what they pay into the state via in state spending per production. So far this year (mind you this is the end of July so it has only been 7 months), the film industry has spent OVER $260 MILLION IN N.C. So they are merely getting back a very small percentage of the taxes paid on this spending They aren’t getting random tax dollars that we taxpayers are putting in; they are putting it in. NC is better off getting 75% of $260 million than getting nothing from the film industry. If you don’t understand this, than you need to go back to first grade math class.

2015 years 8 months ago

In a previous post I felt the the Gov. was looking for a way out and a way to save face. If the Senate has any sense they will go along with Davis. However, I wouldn’t bet on it!!

2015 years 8 months ago

Couldn’t have said it better Will. The vogheads of the world are clueless when it comes to economics. They’re not interested. They have delusionally convinced themselves that a bunch of money from the public sector coffers is being dolled out in large bags. They go find other state incentive studies done by politicians who aren’t getting their pockets lined siting that’s the reason their economies are in the trash. Sometimes you can’t fix stupid. When you have Gov. Haley, Gov. Jindal, and Gov. Deal in their respective states wanting Raleigh to do the stupid thing of eliminating this “jobs program” that will benefit them….well…it not only should tell you something…it’s screaming at you! Ted Davis may have saved thousands of jobs and millions of revenue for NC despite these haters. Kind of reminds me of Pres. Clinton when despite his opposition against the republican congress signed welfare reform and a balanced budget bill. Other than a stained dressed, it somewhat saved his political legacy. McCrory can thank Davis and the rest of those who fought for this later. Also a shout out to Sheila Brothers keeping this in the forefront in the media.

2015 years 8 months ago

You need to read more preston:

Now find an independent study (Not MPAA funded) that disputes this and the other studies….

Can’t find one? Gee, I wonder why?


2015 years 8 months ago

roflmao!!…eat that voghead!!!!…keep talking your rhetoric now you job hating fool FILM=JOBS Always has always will. For once sanity prevailed in Raleigh. Those midyear totals was and should be a wake up call to even to the staunches haters of film. As Dean Norris said…this is not about Hollywood, the producers or the actors…”we don’t benefit in anyway, we get paid whether in NC or outside locations” as the idiot voghead’s of the world keep spouting…it is the livelihood of the crews, their families, the cities, towns and communities that benefit. The monetary gain this state gets is leaps and bounds above the credits the industry gets. It’s not even close. Those oppose hate just for the sake of hating or an agenda to line the pockets of politicians. They have some delusional thought process that money is being taken from teachers, fireman, policeman, etc. which is a crock!!! A million (that should be MILLIONS) thanks to Ted Davis for saving the thousands of jobs and multi-millions in revenues that flow into NC each year. A champion to the store owners, car salesman, restaurant/bar servers, garbage men, utility workers, mechanics, grocery stores, their cashiers, etc etc etc. The economic impact was more than Raleigh could bare and that fact overrode politics in the end. North Carolina won…the losers?? Sorry Nikki, Nathan, Bobby (which I champion..these are the ones who actually get it) and voghead, who on the other hand hates for the sake of hating, no matter how much or who benefits…and yes, he even benefits immensely though he is clueless to understand it. As the warden in the movie Cool Hand Luke says….”some men you just can’t reach” A million thanks to many on this critical issue. Thank you to Sheila Brothers for carrying this torch on media and keeping it front and center. Lights!..Camera!..Action!!…ka ching!!!! Hear that paulie??…that’s the sound of people making a living and the state being richer for it…wow…and more tax revenue for your ever lovin’ government…WHAT A CONCEPT.

2015 years 8 months ago

Yawn……another pro film story put out by people who are? Pro film.

Try something independent will you?


2015 years 8 months ago

all because someone disagreed.

Clearly you’re not a candidate for membership in the ACLU.

But you are correct, “…some men you can’nt reach…” note the correct spelling. Add to that “…what we have here is a failure to commmunicate…”

In case you missed it, and judging by your comments you did, you’re off track.

While the House may have approved their version of the budget, the Senate did not. In fact about 1 AM this morning, the Senate approved their version. Go see page H-15, item 65. A grant provision was funded at $10,000,000. Note the grandious House version is not included.

I won’t suggest you learn something about how government works. From your post its evident you know all there is to know,

On the other hand, I would suggest you as well as Hamilton and Catlin have raised false hopes which are about to come crumbling down.

2015 years 8 months ago
2015 years 8 months ago

I have never in my life seen so much whining, crying, complaining about what people don’t have because some politician or some other entity has taken it from you or not given to you.Do you people have no shame. Will you just keep asking for more? Please learn to be self sufficient and take charge of your life. I already run two businesses to keep my family afloat and am always looking for another way to make a buck when time allows. All you film people can make more money in one weekend waiting tables than probable a month in your acting career. When people go to the BIG APPLE to pursue a career they work their butts off doing other jobs to keep things going.

Government workers and film people have a lot in common!!!

alyssa bauman
2015 years 8 months ago

You apparently know nothing about the film industry. Around 4,000 full time crew members (NOT ACTORS, CREW MEMBERS) reside and work in NC; we make an average of $250-500 per day depending on our positions. We aren’t asking for anything for nothing; the incentives are simply giving back a very small percentage of the tax dollars spent by production companies in state. Maybe they even purchase goods from your shop and you don’t even know it. This year to date (and it is only the end of July), the film industry has spent over $260 MILLION IN N.C. … this is just 7 months out of the year. They spend it at all kinds of businesses from retail shops to restaurants to landlords for housing. Get your head out of your ass and research before you comment because you look like the biggest idiot in this state besides Gov McCrory.

Mitch Garrett
2015 years 8 months ago

You are very misinformed about the film business and the work ethic that it requires. The film business in NC is not just “actors” it has a crew base of over 4000 people. Please don’t be an ignorant idiot like most of the majority because that seems to be the path your on. Oh and what is this line about the big apple???? FYI this isn’t the big apple and we all put our pants on the same.

Nick Moutselos
2015 years 8 months ago

This is not a tax handout to Hollywood or Film Industry Folks but rather an investment in the state. For every dollar rebated, $1.52 is generated back to the state. Hollywood does not get this money. Most of the money spent by productions are directly in state, in NC. This year already this industry has spend just over $240 million dollars in NC. AGAIN, in NC. What other industry produces this type of direct spend. These folks buy cars, houses, shop in our retail stores, eat in our restaurants, use dry cleaners, rent apartments, stay in hotels, rent cars, buy lumber, furniture, clothes, buy groceries, and this list can keep going on and on. That is a huge economic impact to the state. Then let’s talk property taxes, payroll taxes, sales taxes and luxury taxes paid. it’s a win for the state, not a handout. I applaud Rep Davis for his hard work and recognizing this as a vital industry for NC.

Shaun O'Rourke
2015 years 8 months ago

Speaker of the House Thom Tillis and Representative Rick Catlin both voted YES on this Amendment with fellow republicans in tow.

I wonder how Civitas and Americans for Prosperity (Koch Brothers)are going to handle this? Lets see if they get attacked or will they get a pass since the stakes are high this year.

4200 full time film crew members and 15,000 part time background workers along with all the support vendors and their families could add up to close to 50,000 votes (counting friends and family members effected)in the midterm that could swing very narrow margins. Historically most people do not vote in the midterms. The GOP knows this. November is going to be fun no matter how the Senate votes. Good luck with that! When you rattle the or hard working middle class families they will defend themselves and come out to exercise their civic duty.

REPUBLICANS VOTED YES: Representative(s): Brawley, R.; Brawley, W.; Brody; Bryan; Burr; Catlin; Conrad; Daughtry; Davis; Dollar; Faircloth; Hollo; Holloway; Horn; Hurley; Iler; Jeter; Johnson; Lambeth; Lewis; Malone; McNeill; Moore, T. (CHAIR); Ramsey; Ross, S.; Saine; Samuelson; Schaffer; Setzer; Shepard; Steinburg; Tillis (SPEAKER); Torbett; Turner; Warren, H.; West

2015 years 8 months ago

Tillis would vote no? He’s running for the Senate; he’d vote yes to elect Brian Berger AG if it would gain him an edge over Hagen.

This vote is not the big deal you make it out to be.

It still has to get past the Senate; and they’ve voted on the compromise version of the budget which does not include this.

If you think the Fat Lady has sung and it’s over; it’s not a done deal.

Hamilton and the others who would have you believe your world has been saved have really created what may well prove to be false hopes.

Will Purcell
2015 years 8 months ago

You obviously have no clue how much the film industry impacts the state. It creates jobs, supplements other industries as well as supports hundreds of NC families. They do need to stop calling it a tax incentive, it’s a rebate. Our indusrty impacts real estate , lumber and steel yards, hardware store, heavy equipment, restraunts just to name a few. It supplies off duty police and fire department employees with supplemented income. I don’t see how anyone sees this as a negative thing. The film industry creates jobs and dumps a ton of money back into the economy. I’m sure whatever buisness your in has been impacted in one way or another by film. I’m tired of big mouths with no real clue what they’re talking about bad mouthing the film incentive and the NC film industry in general. Don’t you have any pride in something made in NC? By NC men and women who support NC families. Shut the hell up pal!

luck one
2015 years 8 months ago

You obviously have no clue how a rebate works. The film incentive is a small amout of refunded money that has already been put into the local economy. Without the incentive we get nothing. With the incentive we get billions of dollars. There is no math to do. Its a rebate not a use of taxpayers money.

2015 years 8 months ago

This is a waste of money. If they come here for the money they will leave once they get a better offer. Like any business that leaves an area, people can move as well. I really don’t think this is right to take tax payers dollars and give it to business that make millions of dollars and pay little taxes.

If they are going to do it for one business they need to do it for all business.

2015 years 8 months ago

Now if you could just do us a favor and give us all the specific internet link to a report, other than one that’s been bought and paid for by the film industry, that says NC actually makes $1.52 on every dollar rebated, and this whole debate is over!

Put up or … (I’m sure you can figure out the rest) …………

Yikes McGee
2015 years 8 months ago

Yikes, for $500 a day why not just go where the movies go?

John McIntosh
2015 years 8 months ago

I find it fascinating that the people who complain the most about the incentives refuse to use their real names and instead use pseudonyms, while the people who are for the incentives freely use their actual names.
Why are the naysayers so afraid of using their real names?

Heimie Schmelter
2015 years 8 months ago

This is simply a public forum that allows people to express their opinion and ideas on articles published by WWAY. There is no official vote here that has anything to do with the outcome of any situation. Nothing that anyone posts here has an impact on anything. However, I do think you can get the general idea of how the public “feels” about the content of these articles, to include this “incentive” program in particular.

So tell me John McIntosh, why are “real names” so important to you? Are you perhaps interested in tracking down these “real names” and breaking both of their legs because they disagree with YOUR opinions? I happen to disagree, so you are welcome to start with mine.

George Washington
2015 years 8 months ago

Actually, perhaps they are just real sounding…

2015 years 8 months ago

Why are the yea-sayers afraid of using the real numbers?

2015 years 8 months ago

Maybe you won’t be so smug at the end of friday.

2015 years 8 months ago

the film industry does not give the 4 apples to NC. Using your alegory, the industry gives those 4 apples out as supply costs or wages directly to labor or service suppliers.

The state recieves 7.5% sales tax, in some cases. That means they get .075 of the apple.

In return, after the stringent audit, the state rebates 1 whole apple from the .075 apple recieved.

Your math doesn’t work.

That aside, I spoke neither for or against the incentives.

I spoke concerning the lack of understanding many have as to how the legislature works.

Even the renowned Suzi Hamilton was quoted this morning, on another media, that the proposed incentives were not happening; she noted the Senate and House leaders, in the wee hours of the morning, had shot them off the bill.

So much for smugness.

Susan Bradley
2015 years 8 months ago

“He also doesn’t indicate where the funds are coming from”

The funds come from the film industry. it’s a rebate.
Let’s say money=apples.
A production company comes to North Carolina to film. they give the state 4 apples to do so. After wrap they go through a stringenet audit performed by the state. The state approves the expenditures that qualify, and they give the production back 1 apple, keeping 3 for itself.
So without the film industry….no apples. No apples to give teachers a raise, no apples for infrastructure, no apples for anything.

2015 years 8 months ago

the Senate vote was at 1:00 AM; AND the budget includes a grant provision funded with $10,000,000.

Nothing smug about that.

This is all about understanding the legislative process.

Film supporters had neither an organized or effective lobbying effort.

Sorry, but that’s reality.

Anyone who could read would have known before May 1, the top 2 priorities were pay increases for teachers and state employees as well as Medicaid reform.

Film supporters are their own worst enemies. They throw out employment numbers ranging from 1,000 to 50,000.

They apparently think every dollar the industry expends goes straight into the state’s checkbook.

Maybe you’ll learn before the next session.

2015 years 8 months ago

Tom Tillis has been against film incentives from the very beginning and he is STILL against them. He ONLY gave his approval when he realized he had lost SENC’s vote so he felt like WTF, “it’s only for a year and that will put me past November so I can do that”….talking about someone selling their soul for a vote, Tom Tillis is your man!!

2015 years 8 months ago

One thing is for sure. All this bickering about incentives have sent shockwaves through the local film industry. Even if they are restored for another year, what happens after that? I am sure the powers that be probably are looking at the big picture here and if another location offers something more promising and something they can depend on for the long haul, they will be gone as quickly as they can load their trucks. I have no problem with the film guys as long as it is done within the studio and in no way disrupts the lives of others, such as blocking roads and such. I do feel that they should not be given tax dollars as a bribe to set up shop here and should be treated like any other business.

2015 years 8 months ago

I,m a DEMOCRAT and I agree with you. Party doesn’t matter to me. It’s the issue that counts.