After striking out in Wilmington, Braves' big league plans again hinge on public financing

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/11/27/tea-party-strikes-out-a...

A few snips:
"When the Atlanta Braves became the latest Major League Baseball franchise to demand a new stadium to play in, they ran into a huge tide of opposition to their move from downtown Atlanta to the suburbs north of the city.

But instead of protests from fans in their current home downtown, the team has gotten an earful from furious Tea Party activists in Cobb County, the Republican-dominated portion of the metro area that was once the heart of Newt Gingrich’s congressional district and will now be home to the 60-acre site the team has chosen for its new stadium. "

"“We’re spending millions of Cobb County taxpayer dollars on this deal and we’re going to take two weeks and ram it though?” said Patricia Hay, a local resident. “It reminds me of Obamacare and how they did that."

"But Debbie Dooley and her Tea Party partners say there’s no such thing as a conservative government. And they say their fight in Cobb County isn’t over. Her coalition is preparing a legal challenge to the stadium financing plan; planning a recall petition for county commission chairman, Tim Lee;"

Ah the Atlanta Braves - the entitlement grabbing, corporate welfare demanding "give me what I want or I'll take my ball and go home" idiots of MLB.
What a distasteful display of hubris.

I am so glad Wilmington voters saw through this fraud.......
Vog

First Cobb County does NOT have the infrastructure to support the stadium as there are NO mass transit routes to and from the proposed stadium area. Traffic congestion is a mess no mater where the stadium goes - Atlanta is just poorly laid out city.
This is the SECOND stadium the Braves will have someone else pay for them. The original Turner Field was the Olympic stadium, from Wikki:
" Private entities, including NBC and other Olympic sponsors, agreed to pay a large sum of the cost to build Centennial Olympic Stadium (approximately $170 million of the $209 million bill)"

What this means Kevin is the government has outlayed over half a BILLION dollars to one enterprise alone for not one, but TWO stadiums in a 22 year span all the while having attendance dwindle due to poor performance. This by the way PROVES that team performance, not location, is the main driver of attendance and COMPLETELY demolishes the argument of "build it and they will come".

Of course the Braves organization is very familiar with how to play politicians and the PR game - just ask the folks in Gwinnette county who bankrupted themselves in order to get a Braves Triple AAA franchise only to see all the "peripheral development" fall apart.

It is quite apparent that the "welfare queens" of inner city America have been usurped in prominence by the welfare queens in the corporate board rooms.

Vog

Vog,

Have to disagree with you on two points.

1. Your statement about the government paying for two stadiums to 22 years is wrong. As you pointed out, Turner Field was built by ACOG and Olympics sponsors. It was private money. The half billion public dollars are for the new stadium only.

2. The Braves most definitely prove that team performance is NOT the main driver of attendance. They have had a good product on the field for the last two decades. They went to the playoffs the last two seasons. But watch a game or highlights on TV, and you will see plenty of empty seats. I can tell you having lived in Atlanta and working in media there, there are a few reasons for this. First, Atlanta fans quickly became spoiled by the success of the Braves in the '90s to a degree I've never seen in other markets. Second, the city is so transient, that a lot of people are not loyal to the local teams. Thirdly, Atlanta traffic makes going to the games a nightmare.

I agree with your points about the potential pitfalls of this stadium, namely infrastructure and mass transit. That being said, because this is, as you said, a poorly planned city, Atlantans are used to driving. I don't think this is a good investment for Cobb County, but if they're willing to pony up the money, it's a good move for the Braves (obviously) and should ensure higher attendance based on location alone. Of course, only Atlanta fans will prove that to be true or false.

Thanks for reading!
KEVIN

Technically you are right however I stand by the statement:
"This is the SECOND stadium the Braves will have someone else pay for them. The original Turner Field was the Olympic stadium, from Wikki:"
It matters not a wit as to whether it was private or public monies - IT WASN'T BRAVES MONIES."

As for attendance the Braves have been poorly attended for years even while MLB was showing RECORD attendance in 2004 and the number of seats in the new stadium is very low for a professional sports franchise.
But the Braves in particular have a propensity for stretching the truth about how "well" these deals work. Gwinnette County built the AAA stadium and that has failed to attract the development the Braves believed would happen around the stadium. The proposed ILM stadium was full of dream scenarios that even the most ardent fan would have a doubts about and the attendance figures were so overblown they were pathetic. They attract less than .5% of their metro area population an their games yet they expected ILM to attract almost 2% to their games.
I don't trust ted Turner or the Braves organization, and Atlanta has bankrupted itself for the domed stadium for the Falcons already. Personally I don't see Cobb county coming up with the money, nor do I see attendance improving, whether Atlantans like to drive or not.
I hope the Cobb county residents get a say in this

Vog

Kevin,

I believe your second point explains why this stadium should never be built with public funds. Do you know why these stadiums are not maintained yearly and have to be replaced every 20 to 25 years? With this kind of investment, the life span is ridiculously short. These stadiums are never ending money pits that guarantee the owners a profit because the public covers the overhead...........a great deal if the public is foolish enough to continue writing the checks.

It is unbelievable to me that any public funds are used to build any of these stadiums. We always hear about all the "millions" in renovations that are needed. Why don't they build stadiums that are easier to maintain and then just maintain them? So called "investments" of this magnitude that only last 20 to 25 years are ridiculous. I hope the people in Atlanta tell the Braves to come up with a business plan that does not include public funding or tax breaks. It is time for all of the billionaire beggars to stand on their own 2 feet. Their "potty training" should now be complete.

"In Wilmington, taxpayers overwhelmingly voted against a $37 million plan for a ballpark." (Unquote...and I mean UNQUOTE)
"Overwhelmingly"????????

Wait a Cotton Pickin' Minute! Enough Wilmingtonian's voted away the ballpark "Deal of the Century"...but not enough voted the goofballs out of office...that once again sit in Council seating?
PINCH ME!!!! Or as Moe always said to Curley..."PICK OUT TWO!"