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WILMINGTON, NC (WWAY) -- The national conversation on religious tolerance was the topic of a forum at Cape Fear Community College today.

The event was sparked by two big stories that have dominated news lately. One was the construction of the Mosque at Ground Zero. The other was the Florida pastor who wanted to have "Burn a Kuran Day" on the anniversary of 9/11.

CFCC instructors on the panel wanted students to understand other religions even if they don't like or adopt them. Instructors talked about how different religions have been perceived in the past, and how they are perceived today.

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I never recall having any

I never recall having any problems with Muslims, Islam or whatever until we began meddling in their affairs. As for their customs and treatment of women, that is their way of doing things and none of our business. We should stay out of it.

Please tell us how we "meddled in their affairs."

I'm dying to hear this!

Stay out of it?

So your solution is to close our eyes until it is 2 late? Sometimes you have to meet evil head on. Because it is their customs does not make it alright.

Interesting quotes

"To you your religion, and to me my religion." 109:6.

"If you encounter a funeral of a Jew or a Christian in the street, offer your shoulder." 5:82

“Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians — whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.” 2:62

Simply put, there are people who have taken verses out of context, and used them to further thier own hatred, as has been done with most religions.
You must read the Koran before you can offer an informed opinion on Islam.
If your mantra is "All I need to know about Islam, I learned on 9/11," then you have been blinded by hatred. To say that there is no difference between Muslims is to say that there is no difference between Catholics, Episcopalians, Pentacostals, Baptists, etc.

That's nonsense!

Look at how many ministers, priests, and rabbis condemned the planned burning of that Koran? Thousands! It was all we heard on the news for days.

Contrast that with the number of Imams and Mullahs who condemn the incidents I listed in my previous two posts. The silence is deafening and speaks volumes.

Islam is either a religion of co-conspirators, who support violent jihadists through their silence or direct financial support, or a religion of cowards who are too frightened to speak up against the jihadists who are dominating Islam's PR effort.

Whichever the case, the result is the same. Islam has given Islam a richly deserved black eye and it will be up to Islam to change its image.

America will not tolerate the intolerant.

america will not tolerate the intolerate

Actually, this country is very good at that. Maybe it should say, "America should not tolerate the ignorant and hypocrites in America"--that is much more realistic.

nonsense

There are plenty of Mullahs and Imams who have protested violence in the name of Islam, and you know it. Your hatred of "the other" has blinded you. Nothing they do will be good enough for you.
You know less about Islam than I (not very much), yet you try and present yourself as an expert. There are many of them in this country, trying to make a peaceful life for themselves and their family, and you would paint them with the same brush as terrorists? I gave you quotes, you gave me anecdotes.

What Common has given you are FACTS....

...not anecdotes. Some people have a difficult time facing reality, especially in the face of violence. The same Muslim violence can be seen on any news channel on any given night, "Kill the Infidels", "Kill those that disgrace Allah". America has a cartoonist that has had to go into hiding due to the threats made against her because of a silly cartoon. IT'S ONLY A CARTOON, for goodness sake! The people of the middle east have been kept poor, stupid and hungry with only the Koran to give them hope. They still live in mud huts, eat five day old goat and beat their women to a pulp for nothing other than, "in the name of Allah", just as they did 2000 years ago. Completely suppressed of money, education and freedom by their wealthy leaders waving the almighty Koran as a salvation.

You know, it absolutely beats me as to how this region of the world devised some of the most complex mathematics known, most of which we still use to this day, but they still live in dirt, throw rocks at each other and are commanded like a bunch of little brainless ants with nothing in their pockets. One would think all of that intelligence would have carried through and developed over the many generations, it has only diminished to where it is today. 2000 years and they are further behind than where they began.

I have never presented myself as an expert on Islam

I believe my background, however, lends itself to some expertise on serious threats and dangers to this nation that need to be addressed head on, not swept under the rug of political correctness. (The latter seems to be your area of expertise.)

BTW, thanks for those "cherry picked" quotes you provided.

America will not tolerate the intolerant

Actually, America is exceptionally good at tolerating intolerance, that's why this country does not see homosexuals as normal people with normal lives and judge everything and everyone who has an unpopular opinion.
What we really need to do is learn to tolerate things ourselves.

CFCC Religious Tolerance

CFCC should stay out of this discussion. Let the students decide themselves which religion is violence based and which is non violence based. The college professors are too biased to present a fair and balanced dialogue on this subject.

Why is CFCC beating the drum for Islam?

Why are CFCC students expected to be tolerant of a religion that embraces violent jihad, honor killings, the subjugation of women, the refusal to accept the existence of a nation created legitimately by the United Nations, and exhibits not one tiny bit of tolerance itself?

The Star News had a good write-up on this discussion, and it was obvious that it wasn't much of a discussion at all - just a long laundry list of justifications for Muslims still living in the Twelfth Century and seething with anger and hatred. It sounds as if left-wing political correctness has spread from Chapel Hill to Front Street.

I'd say that CFCC students and everyone should judge Islam by its fruit. Try taking your own, personal Bible with you to vacation in Saudi Arabia. See what happens. See how long you'll be in prison or how quickly you'll be deported.

Or try building a church in Kabul. Heck, you don't have to build a church. As we recently saw, simply go to do humanitarian relief work in Afghanistan and see what happens!

Go date a Muslim girl. Just as we saw in Australia, you may be called to testify when her brother KILLS HER for dating a non-Muslim.

Yes....aren't they a tolerant bunch?

In closing, here's an excerpt from a recent speech by Dutch Member of Parliament Geert Wilders:

"The tolerance that is crucial to our freedom requires a line of defense. A tolerant society is not a suicidal society. It must defend itself against the powers of darkness, the force of hatred and the blight of ignorance. It cannot tolerate the intolerant -- and survive."

Missing the point ...

While your examples about violence and intolerance in the name of Islam may be accurate - they are also irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

The reason we are having discussions about tolerance is because our nation was founded upon principles of religious freedom. The First Amendment guarantees that right to all who come here; period. It does not matter if they are Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, or otherwise - as a citizen of this country the faith they choose is up to them. To persecute an entire group of Muslim Americans based on the select acts of a few is unjust, and inherently un-American.

You mention some of the intolerance that particular Middle Eastern nations practice toward Christians who settle there - what about the Muslims who emigrate to the US, are you suggesting that they be treated the same?

That's not what our country is about. We don't fight intolerance with intolerance. It's about being above the persecution that so many of our immigrants, and yes - our founding fathers, faced before they came into our borders.

No, I totally get the point

You want us to welcome and embrace people who want me, you, your wife, your kids, and your dog dead or subjugated to Sharia law. You want us to accept people who want to destroy Western society. You want us to gloss over the homicidal lunacy of the few and the silent encouragment of the many for the sake of being "tolerant."

In your mind, this is no different than earlier predjudice against Catholics or Jews or orietals who did nothing to earn the bias shown against them. Were you in a coma on September 11th, 2001? Bali, October 12th, 2002? London, July 7th 2005? Did you miss the riots and hundreds of millions in damage in France? The U.S.S. Cole? The 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center? The Millenium Plot? Fort Hood? Europe trashed because of a political cartoon?

I could go on, but I'm playing to a deaf audience. Those events must not set off warning bells in your world.

No one is advocating persecuting them. Anyone with a brain, however, would advocate being aware of the threat they pose to this nation and our way of life, and standing ready to counter it whenever it rears its head.

You obviously missed this, so I'll post it again with my own emphasis added. Think about what he's saying. Let the words sink in. As I said, they're from a Dutch MP. You know...Holland....where movie directors have their throats slashed if they dare make a movie critical of Islam....

"The tolerance that is crucial to our freedom requires a line of defense. A TOLERANT SOCIETY IS NOT A SUICIDAL SOCIETY. It must defend itself against the powers of darkness, the force of hatred and the blight of ignorance. IT CANNOT TOLERATE THE INTOLERANT -- AND SURVIVE."

getting the point

It is attitudes like this that give christians a bad name.

Comments like these do nothing to enhance the image of christianity in this country as well as around the world. It makes no sense to get angry at someone else for doing the same things you and yours are just as guilty of. When people get angry and combative over someone else's choices and belief systems it shows how weak their own faith is. Example--being critical of others for living in a way in which you don't agree offers a sense of control over something you don't understand and find threatening to your own way of life.

After all, it would be way to scary to question the beliefs you've found comfort in since birth--everyone everywhere feels the same way about that.

Sure there are many groups of people in this world who would love to "destroy" western society, but you are lumping everyone who belongs to a particular faith together. I would hope the majority of christians wouldn't want to be seen in the same category as the pro-lifers who murder abortionists or accuse people of not having a brain.
It's very possible to be "aware" without being paranoid or at the very least, judgemental of others.

Treat others the way you'd like to be treated and don't see everyone of a particular group as the same. Not everyone possesses the "homocidal lunacy" that most human beings in the world hate, just like not every follower of christ looks down their nose at people who are not like them.

Okay, let's hear your case!

"... for doing the same things you and yours are just as guilty of."

Okay, let's hear it. When was the last time a group of Christians or Jews hijacked airliners, crashed them into buildings, and killed thousands of your fellow Americans? How many Christians or Jews have been caught in the act of trying to blow up airliners in flight? How many groups of Christians and Jews are travelling to distant lands to learn bomb making and the Judeo-Christian equivalent of jihad? When did the last boatload of Christians or Jews attack a United States naval warship?

You suffer from politically correct myopia that allows you to equate isolated, lone Christians or Jews who perform outrageous crimes with the millions of Muslims who preach jihad and kill Westerners by the thousands.

Why don't you tell me what portion of my posts is factually incorrect? Tell me where I've made a false accusation. Point out an incident I mentioned that's not attributable to Muslims.

NOWHERE does Christ command you to be stupid, bury your head in the sand, and let your enemy kill you. You had better wake up and realize the threat that Western society faces.

common is right ... this time

It makes my head hurt when I agree with Common ... but I have to this time ... and to guest "somebody else" ... look at these 3 things ... and learn ... although ... you are right ... we should all read the Koran ... best to know thy enemy ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_8RoxqpeGc

We need to face the

We need to face the intolerance of Islam head-on. We need to criticize it with no holds barred.

Fundametalist Christianity can be intolerant and hateful, but it pales in comparison with the brutality of Islam.

Christianity Contrasted with Islam

Islam

A woman, accused of adultury and living in Iran has been sentenced to death by sharia--the sacred law of Islam. She will be stoned to death, a barbaric custom--among many others--of theocratic Islamic countries.

Christianity

In the Gospel of John, a passage describes a confrontation between Jesus and the scribes and Pharisees over whether a woman, caught in an act of adultery, ought to be stoned. Jesus shames the crowd into dispersing, and averts the execution.

He admonishes the crowd with these words: "He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone.

Now, tell me which religion you think is more ethical in its teachings.

Ignorant Contrast

You are comparing something that may or may not have happened by someone who may or may not have existed over two millenia ago as opposed to a modern day issue. They have little to do with each other. Christianity has every bit the violent history and present that Islam does. We simply don't have it brought to us on the news each night in the western world.

Following the bible, you should freely be able to sell your daughter into slavery if you want. Murder anyone who plants varying crops side by side, burn at the stake anyone who wears two different threads, oh and lets not forget stone anyone who touches the skin of a dead pig. Guess that cancels the super bowl. Not to mention the countless millions who have died from christian crusades of the middle ages, modern day christian nut cases, and oh yea...the kkk. Any organized group, religious or not, will have extreme factions in both directions of the spectrum of right and wrong. There are millions of peaceful, nonviolent muslims, just as there are small groups of militant and violent christians in the world. In todays political climate we only hear one side for the most part though, and people jump to conclusions without knowing the history of the situations they discuss.

I suppose what this long rant is meant to get across is that these are massively complex and difficult situations in our world, and compartmentalizing them into evening news sound bites is ignorant and unfortunately all too common. Perhaps it's easier for me to be as rational as I try to be on these subjects as i'm agnostic, and I don't really have any emotional ties to any religion. All I would ask is that anyone who feels strongly and/or emotional about these issues...know the history, know the facts and make an educated judgement and don't simply follow the left or the right, what hannity or blitzer tell you to think!

Well said!

I agree with you completely.