While it was not what I expected some of the comments here are wrong and probably based on the super sweet taste of the reds. I was at first taken back at how sweet the wine was and while not perhaps to some of the snobbery comments here.. I found that some of the whites were not far off from some of the sweet french whites and could substitute for a desert Riesling, perhaps. In general these wines are too sweet for me but I would not say they are piss water. Some of them may be made into cheap stuff but considering that some of this particular winery's wines actually won in national shows does indicate there is a (small) place for certain versions of the wine.