So are you saying that we should all ignore the obvious increase in violence, vandalism, etc.? I don't beleive that running from a place that you care about is the answer. Don't fool yourself. If nothing is done about it, it will leak your way eventually. Granted most populated cities have an element of late night debotchery but when it increases to an unacceptable level for the home owners that believe in the potential of the city, it's time to speak out. And it doesn't sound like you've done much traveling because i have certainly been to small cities that are given proper attention by the homeowners and community that's nightlife hasn't seen a stabbing in a year. I'd rather be accused of whining...than not caring. And yes, I love cheese. Who's limp wristed?