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Controversy around BSL fire truck insurance claim

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A few months back we told you about a Boiling Spring Lakes fire truck that went up in flames while responding to a fire at the St. James Plantation. The fire department made an insurance claim, and now they have a brand new truck. However, sources we spoke with today said there is more to the insurance claim than meets the eye. Our sources claim the fire department requested insurance money to cover equipment that was actually never lost in the blaze. It all started this past October, when a Boiling Spring Lakes brush fire truck responded to a woods fire near St. James Plantation. The truck caught fire and was destroyed. Five months and an insurance claim later, the fire department has a new truck, but not everyone is happy about it. A concerned anonymous resident said, "The equipment that was on the truck ended up getting turned into the insurance company. There is paperwork to prove it, and the fire chief knew what he was doing when he did it." He said the Boiling Spring Lakes Fire Department requested insurance money to cover equipment that wasn't lost in the blaze. Chief Nelson Cobble couldn't talk to us on camera today, but did say he had initially requested funds to replace two air packs that he thought were lost in the fire. He later realized they didn't need the funds, so he called up the insurance company and sent the funds back. Cobble claims both the police department and insurance company checked his claim, and said everything was legitimate. Our source added it's not just the air packs he's worried about; he claims the new truck has features it simply does not need which cost thousands of dollars. There has been no word from the insurance company in Pennsylvania, despite our calls to confirm this information.

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Wilmington fire dept.

1st the true sence of a fireman is to serve there comminuity not become a burden to them. a real fireman does not do this for the money. it is done to give back to our community not take from it. i think its pathetic that these poeple even get paid there not real firemen just money grubbing off the tax payers and from what we see here stealing also im not at all suprised not even a little bit. firemen should all be vol. not paid, the only paid postitons should be the higher ups. it should be like it was all of us givving not taking from the fire dept. today it has become nothing more then money hungry people who want nothing more than more money for a job they should be doing for free in the true spirit of a fireman helping not whinning about how little they make and they should be making more yeah right my fatherinlaw was a vol. for over 45 years and never took 1 penny for doing his job the way it is suppose to be not like today where you have nothing more than leeches livving off of taxpayers dollars. theres one guy i saw who is a firemanand is over 300 lbs. all fat he couldnt even run down to the end of the parking lot without being winded pathetic and hes getting paid shameful indeed we nned to bring back the days of careing for the people instead of taking from them and stealing from them .....

From the inside

I want to thank you for posting about the recall, we were able to dodge the bullet however in the meeting it was obvious that the group is going after the president in office now, I know that you don't know if I am telling you the truth however everything has been the truth and what is wright. There are numerous of us that love the dept., and however we do not want to run calls and have to trust in those that feel they are above the law. There is a board meeting coming up on the 23rd of April, I realize that you can not reveal your identity and I respect that, however is there any way to send a representative. It is a open meeting and I feel it will be a very informative open meeting. I have herd that the Chief of police has talked to different individuals and feels that it maybe a grudge situation, again I say to you on my word it is not a grudge it is the truth and what is wright is wright and what is wrong is wrong. I hope that we can maintain this open communication with the truth. I would appreciate any advice on how to expedite some legal investigation. And by the way there maybe a couple of newly made officers have baild ship in concern.

BSL has a ISO of 4, however

BSL has a ISO of 4, however Nelly did not get it... Let them be rated to day. I bet is goes up. I wish the City of Boiling Spring Lakes would Open their own Fire Dept. Get rid of the BS. Let the city have say so in the fire dept and their money. Others do it every day, Southport is a voly dept. but they answer to the city. What is their ISO? any one know? I am not sure my self. I know that a after a class 4 or 5 it will not help home owners any more, only businesses. I just hope Sunny Point gets to there first. I would hate to see BSLVFD brush truck come to a house fire, and yes I have seen it... A few paid members would not be a bad idea also...IF THEY HAVE PROPER TRAINING. Volys do a great job, but there should not be a different standard. I have been one so I can say that.

you have no flippin idea what you're talking about

question, what is the difference between a paid firefighter and they fall into your firefighter?......
Answer, 1 is paid to be a firefighter and the other is not paid to be a firefighter! The training and the standards are the same for both!!! So why don't you get off your high horse and join the department and give back to the community?

some more

Yes there is a lot of things being said about the fire chief, and I fill there true. How every he is not alone in these situations there has been things said or past on from other. several weeks ago a group of officer's , lead by Bob Boyd ( The new vice President and newly appointed captain) by the way he was also on the truck that burned up and maybe help out with the material.They are frantically rushing around to change the laws of the department to continue to eliminate people on the board of directors who still know right from wrong. I would think someone maybe from the Emergency services or somewhere would put a hold on things till this has been investigated. I am sure that the department has run and still has a insurance rating of four . I as a citizen do not want to see my discount go just for the sake of a group about 18or 22 power ego's. And for our rocket Scientist who worry how English and spelling are in these comments your not here for the community and you also don't know what you are talking about. I hope that some legal agency takes this serious and starts looking into these matter immediately.

To whom it may concern.I

To whom it may concern.I think that Mr.Cobble should STEP DOWN as CHEIF due to negatitive that Mr.COBBLE has brought to this city. Mr. Cobble knew what he was doing when him and his team members where feeling out the insurance papers on the brush truck. Here is a fire truck {brush truck} that was never set up for Air packs and never had any on it when it burned up. A cheif that does not know his whole department includeing his trucks should not be a cheif to start with. What going to be next someone getting killed. LET ME GUESS HE DID NOT KNOW THEY WHERE IN THERE. I ask you would you want a cheif running your Fire department like this.

To Whom It May Concern

I have to agree with you.What's it going to take a mountian to fall on these people? Is it going to take some getting HURT OR KILLED, before they do something about Nelson Cobbler & his so called team.. He should no what is on his trucks. He is supposed to have an account of everything on those trucks. He is trying to shiffed the blame onto some one else and that's a crying shame. They need to arrest him and put him behind bars. THINK ABOUT THAT!!!!!

How about a full and complete investigation.

The allegations are serious and therefore should be taken seriously. These things happened or they did not. I believe anyone would take these two statements as fact. Also, the innocent should have nothing to fear from an independent and complete investigation into both the allegations against Cobble and the allegation the PD did not follow through as they should have. If either or both are innocent of these charges it is not fair for them to have this air of public mistrust hanging over their heads. On the other hand if either or both are guilty, this should be brought out also. There is an easy fix to this. Police Chief Emmett Ballree could and should request the SBI to investigate the allegations. That investigation would bring out the truth on merit alone and without prejudice. All parties, the accused, the accuser, and mostly the citizens deserve an investigation into these matters. The sooner, the better. One way or the other, it would all be put to rest. As Chief of the Mount Olive PD Ballree did this back in 2004 over allegations of some officers steeling from citizens. At the end of the investigation the guilty were caught and punished. The innocent were exonerated. Only the guilty should fear this type of investigation. The innocent should welcome it.

It will never fly in Boiling Spring Lakes

An independent investigation into the allegations? It seems you have a well thought out, sensible and unbiased approach as to a solution for this problem. All sides treated equally, respectfully, and only the merits or lack of merits would decide the outcome of the allegations. Makes a lot of good sense. Just plain horse since. Sorry Bub, that ain't going to fly here in BSL! Where are you from anyway? But your idea is a good one.

Oh please.... BSL is nothing

Oh please.... BSL is nothing but a bunch of weenies trying to be hot dogs. Anyone with any sense has left!

A Clue

First, I will have to agree with the second post here. If you are going to put your ideas out there for all to read you might want to get someone to proofread them first. Spell check does not work for grammar. This only makes you look unintelligent and does not help your case. As far as the situation goes, it’s all rumor and speculation until a formal investigation is completed. There is a lot more to being a fire chief than knowing what’s on a piece of apparatus. It requires training, and lots of it, dedication, and a desire to serve. While it may look like BSLVFD “let” some structures burn to the uneducated on looker this is a common strategy. When they get to fire a decision is made to commit the lives of those firefighters on scene to try to save a structure or not. If there is no chance of saving the structure there is no need to risk the lives of firefighters. Until you educate yourself on our business then you should not comment on what you think. If you want a real story there are others to be had, but that’s for another post… If you would like to talk shop I might suggest www.thewatchdesk.com. You can get the moderator to open a Brunswick County Forum under North Carolina. Or maybe I will do it for you, see you there.

BSLVFD

Yes Chief Cobble looks like he is in the wrong, but what about everyone else. What about the ex-asst chief Mr. Gyselinck? Do you think he might be the "concerned anonymous resident"? He just got voted out as asst chief, he is mad at the department. Then there is the issue with Mr. Gyselinck's son, Leon "Buddy" Gyselinck. He had sex with the same underage girl that the policeman Luke Stidham did. Buddy Gyselinck only got 30 days. What did Mr. Stidham get? That goes to show you that money can buy your way out of anything. Back to Mr. Cobble, he will buy he way out of this too. Nothing will happen to Mr. Cobble or the BSLVFD. They just need to get rid of Mr. Coble and all of the present officers and start all over. Too bad Mr. Charlie Johnson can't be the chief anymore.

Accusations and such

I am a former President of the BSL VFD Board of Directors and Asst. Chief. I resigned my positions upon moving out of the fire district. I see a lot of accusations and opinions expressed here that may or may not be of any merit. Lets watch what unfolds with patience and understanding for these unpaid but dedicated firefighters. In other words, dont throw the baby out with the bath water. If Nelson Cobble has done something wrong and it can be proven, I'm sure it will be revealed. Also, I was a member of the Board of Directors when Charlie Johnson QUIT and walked out. No disrepect for the departed, but, Charlie Johnson hasn't been the Chief since 1999. Since that time the department has become a much bigger business, yes "business", funded by taxpayers in the district. The department also achieved a level 4 ISO insurance rating in 2002 (well after Charlie Johnson's leadership) which is spectacular for an all-volunteer department. This rating saves millions in homeowners insurance premiums for residents within the district. I have no personal agenda here, just want to encourage all to be patient. The City will not let the fire department fail just because of some possible corruption (if proven). After all, without a contract with the City of Boiling Spring Lakes, there would be no funding thus no independent BSL Fire Dept. So I'm sure the City leaders are not siting on their hands. A loss of the level 4 fire rating would be political suicide for elected city officials.

nelly

BSL has a ISO of 4, however Nelly did not get it... Let them be rated to day. I bet is goes up. I wish the City of Boiling Spring Lakes would Open their own Fire Dept. Get rid of the BS. Let the city have say so in the fire dept and their money. Others do it every day, Southport is a voly dept. but they answer to the city. What is their ISO? any one know? I am not sure my self. I know that a after a class 4 or 5 it will not help home owners any more, only businesses. I just hope Sunny Point gets to there first. I would hate to see BSLVFD brush truck come to a house fire, and yes I have seen it... A few paid members would not be a bad idea also...IF THEY HAVE PROPER TRAINING. Volys do a great job, but there should not be a different standard. I have been one so I can say that.

Brush Truck Non-Necessity

What's really ironic about this whole situation is the Boiling Spring Lakes Fire Department brush truck that burned was their second brush truck in their apparatus fleet. The burned truck was purchased in approximately the year 2000 or 2001 to replace a brush truck that was also lost to fire. The one brush truck was enough. Within a few short years, I noticed another new 4-door brush truck added to their fleet. This was unnecessary as the North Carolina Forestry Service handles woods and forest fires and the brush truck has very limited capabilities when dealing with "urban interface" fires that the Boiling Spring Lakes Fire Department needs to be concerned with. Basically, a brush truck in a populated area is good for "back yard" fires approaching structures and very light duty brush and woods fire fighting. My point is that the funds from the insurance claim on the brush truck should have been kept in reserve for more necessary equipment or used to pay down debt on the departments newer fire engines or station. After all, the ISO rating of "level 4" is not attributable at all to brush trucks. Brush trucks have no impact on an ISO inspection and rating. Engine companies, truck/service companies, personnel, training, water flow (hydrants), record-keeping and station proximity to populated residential areas are the main attributes a department must demonstrate to obtain a good ISO fire rating. I was involved with the department when the level 4 was obtained and did much of the work necessary to get the rating improvement, thus what I am expounding on is fact and not opinion. I just hope the deparment is laser-focused on maintaining the excellent fire rating in place.

I dont know where you are

I dont know where you are from but i have been on plenty of brush fires in this area and NC forestry takes forever to get there and does not always contain the fire. When you have a small fire in the woods and you can put it out quickly before it gets big and destroys homes then the brush trucks are worth it. Also the structure fire recently in Southport that was faught with only brush trucks cause of its location. So know your facts.

I'm Right Here

I'm right here amongst the City and the fire department and have been for 25 years. (How long have you been here?). As a previous poster stated, "why two brush trucks"? A very good point. And, how many of these "small fires in the woods" could be handled by an engine company? I suspect that they nearly all could. And I know they could if they were threatening life or property. I was heavily involved in and witnessed engine companies put down a fast-moving raging fire in the Lake Keziah Drive area in approximately the year 2000. I know because I was on the useless brush truck when the fire crowned over top of us. The secondary line of strong engine companies halted the fire progression. This fire was sparked by the Sunny Point Railroad convoy and (take it from someone that was there), brush trucks were ineffective. They do not have the water flow to protect structures. Had it not been for the massive mutual aid of engine companies, with deluge gun nozzles, adequate on-board water supply and such, the neighborhood would have been lost. Your type of thinking will eventually sink the department as residents and City Government are concerned with life and property (and they mean improved property. i.e. structures. Nobody pays insurance premiums on vacant wooded lots-this is why ISO doesn't care about your "brush equipment"). Whomever decided that "brush trucks" were some kind of priority is a moron and should not have any leadership position within the department. By the way, was the house fire in Southport that you mentioned had to be fought with brush trucks saved or left in a mere modicum of salvagable condition? Heck no. You put out a fire that would have put itself out. Engine companies carry a lot of hose and I'm sure with the multiple departments on scene that plenty of hose was available to keep the engines on the pavement and accomplish the job. This fire in an abandoned house simply needed to be monitored by A BRUSH TRUCK (meaning one) to make sure it didn't spread to the woods/forest while efforts were made to relay high-pressure volumes of water to extinguish the total-loss structure.

Ok...But!

That is true, but you need two? That Dept. has had one brush truck for years and they NEVER lost a house or a TRUCK on stupidity. You do not get any extra ISO points for haveing two trucks. And looking at the pics on the internet it looks like who ever was driveing the truck did not know what they were doing, what where they trying to save a tree stand. I can under stand trying to save a house but I dont think a tree stand is a house and I have been back there and there are no houses back there, so know why dont you take a ISO class and then you can start talking...till then try not to burn anything else up or let your chief make any more insurance claims, and stick to the topic on hand and if you for got what that might be it has to do with insurance claims.

A Runaway Train

If there is an agenda in your words it would be to slow or stop a runaway train. A very good thing by the way. However, you have much more faith in BSL city leaders than a great number of people here do. As recent as Wednesday, April 1, a public records request from a citizen was answered with incomplete information. This is another matter that will be taken up at a different time but we wanted to give at least one example of why many people do not trust local government. In the case here, we greatly hope you are right and there is at least a majority on the board that will take an expedient and firm stand to put this issue to rest. Ignoring the allegations and keeping their heads in the sand will only further aggravate the problem and to some degree only cause more suspicions. But again, you point is well taken. Let's see what transpires over the next few days.

Who is wrong, who is right

Apparently the individual with the poor grammar skills continues to post to make it appear that there are many concerned citizens.. It must be the same person. Perhaps after attending English as a second language class, this individual should try and post again using proper grammar. Better yet... We (John Q Public) would like to see a WWAY investigative report on the accuser so we can all judge for ourselves who is wrong, and who is right.

You have one citizen who

You have one citizen who complains and you run to the presses with it? The truck has features it doesn't need? According to who? Considering WWAY won some type of media award you'd expect better investigative journalism.

BSL Fire Chief

the fire chief is lying he allocated the airpacks out to the trucks when they were purchased from grant money. The chief willingly manufactured a new inventory sheet to show additional equipment on truck that was never there.

How typical!!!!

How typical!!!!

always one in the crowd

So a resident (or foe) in BSL is trying to dig a hole and stir up the stink.... I can almost guarentee with the fast pace advancement of technology that the Chief was not in the wrong. Instead of this BSL "citizen" (or disgruntled ex employee if that is the case) being happy that his town has a new fire truck with advanced equiptment that could potentially save property and life, this person would rather try to make something out of nothing... There always has to be one in a crowd...

get real

i think it is great there is a new truck. what i have a problem with is that the chief and a few others changed the inventory sheets to show that it was when it really was not. there is proof on paper that this was done.that to me is a fraud.

More Corruption in Boiling Spring Lakes!

Once again there are allegations of corruption in Boiling Spring Lakes. This time it involves the allegations of insurance fraud on the part of BSLVFD Chief, Nelson Cobble. It also alleges a complaint to the BSL Police was basically, ignored. What does Cobble have to say about this? Well he must have studied and passed with honors from the Emmett Ballree/David Lewis School of Lie and Deny. And he especially excelled in the area of not talking to the press. Exactly like the chief of police and the city manager Cobble made sure he was not available. Not available? Come on Chief Cobble and Chief Ballree, these are serious allegations. You are too busy to face them and get the story right for all the citizens you serve? Or, Chief Cobble, are you following the lead by Chief Ballree and hiding from the free press? He schooled city manager, David Lewis in the exact same way. But it seems Lewis now is running out of rope. Chief Cobble, if you are innocent, go on camera, look in the eyes of the citizens and tell them so. I won't be holding my breath except that holding ones breath is a good thing when, something really stinks. And, this does!

BSL Fire Department

I think it's pretty sad that you have a so called Fire Chief that dosen't no a thing about what's on his trucks. I have to pay BSL FD Tax, He doesn't do nothing but lie on people, and he thought that air packs where on the truck, Please.. They need to get rid of him as Fire Chief. He has already let 3 homes brun. He is spending fire department money for things they don't need. They need to do more then just investgate insurance fraud. The Former Fire Chief that has been with the fire department for 32 yrs, Gary Bullard, they wanted him to step down, and in stead he quit. He was one of the best chief that they had, he knew everything that was on those trucks, and he always made sure of there safety on fire calls. And they end up with a fire chief as Nelson Cobbler, that can't even go into burning house, if needed. Concern Citizen Concern Citizen..

Here is a Clue!!!

First, I will have to agree with the second post here. If you are going to put your ideas out there for all to read you might want to get someone to proofread them first. Spell check does not work for grammar. This only makes you look unintelligent and does not help your case. As far as the situation goes, it’s all rumor and speculation until a formal investigation is completed. There is a lot more to being a fire chief than knowing what’s on a piece of apparatus. It requires training, and lots of it, dedication, and a desire to serve. While it may look like BSLVFD “let” some structures burn to the uneducated on looker this is a common strategy. When they get to fire a decision is made to commit the lives of those firefighters on scene to try to save a structure or not. If there is no chance of saving the structure there is no need to risk the lives of firefighters. Until you educate yourself on our business then you should not comment on what you think. If you want a real story there are others to be had, but that’s for another post… If you would like to talk shop I might suggest www.thewatchdesk.com. You can get the moderator to open a Brunswick County Forum under North Carolina. Or maybe I will do it for you, see you there.

I am not a member nor am I

I am not a member nor am I affiliated with the BSLVFD. I also don't know how the management of the BSLVFD is handleing bussiness. I hope they are honest. If they are dishonest then fryem. I have however been a firefighter since 1992, unless you have ever fell through a floor or through a roof in zero visibility with 1000 degrees of heat on your butt, then shut up because you have never been where we have been!!! Have you ever seen the faces of your family while you were searching a house looking for kids and mom and dad in a house with smoke banked down to the floor, Hoping you would make it out alive. Have you ever been burnt on a fire you didn't start? I didn't think so! You are the kind of people who don't like us nor do you like paying taxes. If you do decide to call us then we didn't get there fast enough. If you still think you know it all and have never been there and done that then gear up and grab hold of my boot, HOLD ON TIGHT!! and I will show you what we do!!!!!! BSLVFD BROTHERS STAY STRONG!!!!