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Fight leaves man dead in Elizabethtown

Submitted by WWAY on Fri, 10/30/2009 - 5:57pm.READ MORE:

It sounds like something from a Shakespeare tragedy. One man is dead, and another seriously injured after a late-night fight in Elizabethtown; a daughter is left in the middle. Rumor ran rampant through Elizabethtown Friday after a fight between members of two well-known families left one of the men dead. "Everybody is impacted, because they either know the family or they know the children, and you realize bad things can happen to good people,” said Danny Ellis of Elizabethtown. Police say 22-year-old Caleb Stoker shot and killed 41-year-old Rick Carroll next to the boat ramp at Tory Hole Park Thursday night. "This is an unfortunate situation for both parties, for the families, and the community, because both families are known here, and are well liked,” said Elizabethtown Police Chief Robert Kinlaw. Folks in the town say Carroll did not approve of the fact that Stoker was dating Carroll's 18-year-old daughter. Sources say Carroll and Stoker arranged to meet at the boat ramp to settle their differences in person. "We certainly hate to hear about any kind of violence or somebody being shot in our small town,” Ellis said. Police found two weapons at the scene; the handgun used to shoot Carroll and a lead pipe investigators believe Carroll used to beat Caleb Stoker. Carroll's role in the fight could play a big part in determining how investigators charge his accused killer. Stoker could face charges ranging from self-defense to first-degree murder. According to 9-1-1 records, the first call from the scene of the fight came in from Caleb Stoker. He is out of the hospital tonight.

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God will judge you too

Submitted by Guestbc (not verified) on Sun, 11/08/2009 - 11:44am.

If you think God will not judge you for your gossip and your judgement of others you are wrong. Not all that cry out Lord Lord shall enter the kingdom. Stop using bible verses to justify your double edged sword of a tongue !

Read ur bible !

Submitted by Guestbc (not verified) on Sun, 11/08/2009 - 11:38am.

The commendment " Do not Kill' , doesn't only mean kill in a physical sense. DO NOT KILL also means mentally and emotionaly. Every comment on here makes u just as guilty of a crime as a serial killer. Study your bible people.FYI ... GOSSIP IS JUST AS BAD

THOU SHALT NOT KILL.

Submitted by Guest28337 (not verified) on Thu, 11/05/2009 - 9:05pm.

THOU SHALT NOT KILL. Obviously at least one of the persons involved is not familiar with this commandment. God will judge this act. Hope the only one of the two left is ready to be judged for this act of intentionally disobeying God's commandment. WHERE WILL YOU SPEND ETERNITY???????

What if........

Submitted by What if..... (not verified) on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 4:29pm.

So lets say that Caleb didn't have a gun (already in his truck as do most young men in Elizabethtown). Do you people honestly believe that Ricky would have hit Caleb with the pipe 3 or 4 times and quit? I don't think so.

Fight leaves ELIZABETHTOWN man dead

Submitted by Guest1515 (not verified) on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 6:08pm.

You really cant blame Ricky for his actions.Even though the actions were to conflict bodily harm.I also have a little girl and would do anything and everything to assure her safety.If I even had to sacrafice my own safety or life.Which Im pretty sure all parents would do.From my standpoint I really dont think Ricky would have intended to kill Caleb,I think he just wanted to send him a strong message,even if it meant jail time,I think he could deal with that.But killing Caleb in cold blood,would be the opposite of what he wanted for Kristen and himself.He could have easily took Calebs life but chose to let him live,to learn that you dont mess with a mans family!!I think Caleb took advantage of the oppurtunity to hurt Kristen for life!!!

YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE

Submitted by BEEN THERE (not verified) on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 8:10pm.

EVER BEEN ATTACKED BY SOMEONE WITH A PIECE OF PIPE . YOU WOULD DO THE SAME THING IF YOU HAD GUN.

Terrible

Submitted by Glad I am out of Elizabethtown!!!!!!! (not verified) on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 3:30pm.

This story is a trajedy. My thoughts are with both families during this tough time. One has to think, why would a 41 yr. old adult need to meet a 22 yr. old young adult at the tory hole park to settle his differences regarding the courting of his daughter? Could he not have asked him to meet at their house to discuss the situation like "grown-ups"? Tragedies such as this have plagued Elizabethtown for years & will probably continue to as long as the town is populated by & run by the unsophisticated. Also, how will Bladen County's education ever progress, if the school systems continue to have the same people on the boards that are obviously not making changes that make a difference.

We are also glad you are out

Submitted by also glad (not verified) on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 10:20am.

We are also glad you are out of Etown. We haven't missed you. Also, aren't stereotypes and generalizations signs of unsophistication and ignorance? At least that is what they taught my uneducated/unsophisticated self in college.

Enough Negative Comments!

Submitted by Tragedy (not verified) on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 11:17am.

In tragic situations, the best thing people can do is be quiet and let the law enforcement community take the time to conduct a thorough investigation. Either way, once the investigation is over, there will be no winner. No one wins from whatever the final verdict is. The only hope possible is for people to learn from this tragedy, and not let something like this ever happen again in our community! Take the time to hit your knees and pray for every single person that has been affected by this tragedy. May the Lord ease your pain, our shared pain! At times, "Silence is Golden!"

the facts

Submitted by Guest2525 (not verified) on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 2:50am.

My prayers are with both families.This was a senseless tragedy. All this speculation is not helping the situation at all. The real facts are known only by Caleb and Ricky(rest his soul). The law enforcement probably has a good idea of what really happened. The evidence will tell the story, so Caleb you better be ready, you will get whats coming to you. Maybe not now, but you will have to answer to the man above. THOU SHALT NOT KILL.

Just One Question

Submitted by no name (not verified) on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 2:23pm.

Who are you to judge??? If you are talking about the Man Above, then I would suppose you know a little something about religion, and then that would make me believe that you would know NOT to pass judgement.

WOW

Submitted by Guest28337 (not verified) on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 3:06pm.

And here I sat thinking that God was the judge of man's actions. I did not realize that Guest 2525 was a judge also.

Sorry, but your quote is incorrect

Submitted by GuestAtATragedy (not verified) on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 2:16pm.

The correct translation from the 10 commandments is "Thou shalt not murder". God does allow for self-defense, even if it results in an attacker being killed, and also in the event of a break-in that results in the death of a thief. The full meaning of the commandment is not only to not do murder, but also to not allow murder -- to yourself as much as to another.

This is a terrible situation

Submitted by Guest on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 12:39am.

This is a terrible situation for everyone involved and what makes it worse is people getting on here posting things that you dont have any clue if its true or not. Nobody on this website is SBI or Etown PD or you wouldnt be posting things on the internet, so therefor you dont know the facts. If you want to say something try condolences for both families. I will add this, how do you get stitches (multiple not just one for the record) without going to the hospital, use common sense please. quick English lesson casey the word you are looking for is think not thank welcome to second grade. thInks to everyone with logical post

for one the only reason

Submitted by Guest on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 10:26pm.

for one the only reason people are saying what they are saying is because they only know one side of the story and to tell you the truth it seems like he is a little punk from etown that likes to hide behind a gun this should have never happend and he should of quit stalking her and grow up and ricky might not of done what he had to do but before it is all over what has happend will end up with consequences!!! P.s Dont dont bring a gun unless your a punk

what?

Submitted by come on now (not verified) on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 9:31pm.

Come on now.... then what do you call a 40 some year old man tryin to hit a 22 year old with a pipe? come on now? If the situation were turned around would we all be saying the same things i wonder?

OK

Submitted by Guest233369699595959565652323265654654654154651 (not verified) on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 3:24pm.

So what does it mean when a 41 year old man brings a pipe to attack a 22 year old man? And also, do you have firsthand knowledge that she was being stalked or did your cousins-best friends-uncles- wife tell you this info?

Both familys need alot of

Submitted by 12345 (not verified) on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 5:45pm.

Both familys need alot of prayer & support from the community but look at what you are doing with your comments & opinions, there are 3 sides to every story mine yours & the truth! This is a tragedy to both familys!

This is a small town we all

Submitted by Tony Priest (not verified) on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 4:50pm.

This is a small town we all have to live together, everybody knows each other & I agree it was poor judgment on behalf of both paries but, there a two families involved in this, one lost a son, a wife lost a husband, & children who have to grow up without a father, & the Stokers will have to live the rest of their lives with what happen, alot of emotional scaring that will never go away.Why dont you people keep your comments & opinions to yourselfs, you are only making things worse!

E-town

Submitted by Guesto (not verified) on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 4:28pm.

Exactly right! Out of respect for both families involved, no speculations should be made until the investigation is complete.

Senseless Tragedy

Submitted by Guestateria (not verified) on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 4:20pm.

First of all, I feel terribly sorry for the two families involved in this senseless tragedy--this foolish violence. But the situation reeks of plain old redneck trashiness. Intelligent, civilized people do not result to violence to settle their differences.

are you saying that the men

Submitted by Guest12345628 (not verified) on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 10:25pm.

are you saying that the men and women going off to war to defend themselves is "old redneck trashiness"

whole diffrent ball game

Submitted by Guest276548 (not verified) on Fri, 11/06/2009 - 12:21pm.

please stop being stupid. God knows the real deal.

intelligent

Submitted by thumpy on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 6:02pm.

Intelligent civilized people dont refer to grieving families as "redneck trash"... perhaps guestafaria should look at the mirror in his ivory tower.

Yep.....'cause most of the time

Submitted by Hope101 (not verified) on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 8:23pm.

the civilized more up-ity folks can afford to pay someone to do their dirty work for them. Therefore they keep their hands clean.

Precious few details have

Submitted by 12345 (not verified) on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 3:00pm.

Precious few details have been released so far. I don't think anyone needs to rush to judgment. Here in Bladen County there are rumors floating around and it seems like everybody has their own set of irrefutable facts. When the investigation is complete, we will have the whole story. Speculation beforehand is not good for either family involved.

so many things have been said

Submitted by etown crowd (not verified) on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 11:20am.

most of the comments ive read are people not sure of what really went on they dont know know the facts that stocker had run in to the girls car on more than one time had stalked her and was fighting with her the night this thing went down and that was the reason they met anyway just a dad defending his daughter from a insane person

So you're telling me that

Submitted by no name (not verified) on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 2:53pm.

So you're telling me that ANY 41 yr old DAD, can go out and beat up a 22 yr old MALE because of something that is going on between this male and his daughter?? FIRST of all, if Ricky had such a big problem with Caleb, why didn't he put a stop to the relationship before it generated to this?? If Caleb truely did all this crazy acts as stated above,and he was REALLY as INSANE, as you say he was, why weren't there restraints taken out on him?? I think you may be missing something somewhere! ! I'm sure if you sat down and heard the other side of the story where The Daughter, that seems so "innocent", wasn't so innocent. . . .

Obviously the etown crowd

Submitted by Etown Guest (not verified) on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 2:23pm.

Obviously the etown crowd isnt the real etown crowd yall say yall are because if yall were you would be aware of her doing just as much of what yall are calling stalking to him in the past. I dont think his intentions were to ever ever ever hurt anyone and she caused the confusion not wanting to take responsibility for the situation she caused over the past years. How about everyone let the facts and evidence tell the story and keep opinions to theirselves.

re:Fight leaves man dead in Elizabethtown

Submitted by Guest000555 (not verified) on Mon, 11/02/2009 - 9:25am.

They both had to know that something bad was going to happen when they meet each other. I wouldnt think there was no intent on a killing. Just hurt one another bad. Oh well now people know that killings go on anywhere. Bottom line if your invited to a fight, and show up bring a gun. You dont know what the other person has. Fighting over a woman is stupid anyhow. That boy should had moved on, that man was going to do whatever he could to keep him away from his daughter.

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