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16-year-old marries coach, family speaks out

BRUNSWICK COUNTY -- The mother of a Brunswick County 16-year-old who married her High School Coach is speaking out.

Betty Hager says she tried to stop the relationship between her daughter and a 40-year-old teacher at South Brunswick High School, including contacting local law enforcement and the school. (View the full interview here)

Hager has a paper trail documenting all the conversations she's had with different agencies in Brunswick County. She says it somehow wasn't enough, to stop her daughter, Windy, from marrying a teacher more than twice her age.

"Police, Sheriff's office, the principal, the Sheriff's department, friends, family," Hager said. "Nobody could reach her and he would not stay away from my child."

It's been a long and frustrating road for the Hagers. It all started the summer after Windy's freshman year, when she was just 14 years old. That's when Windy joined the track team, and her coach took a special interest in her.

"She's always been fiercely protective of family and friends," Hager said. "Once she met him her large circle of people she protected went smaller and smaller. Anyone that tried to keep her from the one person that was her focus was the enemy."

Fast forward two years. Windy's parents say the time, and their protest had done little to stop the love affair between their daughter and Brenton Scott Wuchae.

"The more we tried to save her," Betty Hager said. "The more we became the enemy and there becomes a time when you have to say, I can't save you from yourself."

On Monday, they finally gave in, signing a document allowing Windy to marry Wuchae. He resigned from his position with the school system on the same day as the wedding.

"We love our baby. We never wanted this for her. She could have had anything she wanted. the world was her oyster. She was capable of anything. she gave it all up," Hager said.

School officials say they were aware of the relationship, but could not prove that anything inappropriate was going on.

In a statement released to the press after a closed door meeting with the school board today, Superintendent Katie McGee said, "I am shocked and disheartened by what transpired."

Windy's parents say their daughter moved out yesterday after the wedding. They say they're still hopeful she'll return.

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WOW

if anything the girl can make her own decision but this is the wrong one and i think she knows she just wants to be grown so let her goo off and make her own mistakes so she can learn

Who's to judge?

Who can judge their marriage? People aren't cookie cutter copies of each other. Some people know they want to be married at an early age, some people marry late, so what? My husband and I never had a premarital sexual relationship, like is so pushed on high schoolers nowadays, and our marriage is still going strong almost 16 years and several kids later. We are both professionals and make good money. By the way, he's 20 years older than me, and I'm still very much attracted to him. I was a teen when we were engaged. We didn't "date," before we married. Why? Because we wanted to save ourselves for marriage. Why is it people ignore or even encourage premarital sex between teens at school, but think Windy's marriage to her coach is wrong? Does an early marriage doom a bride to failure in life? How so? Colleges are now populated by people of all ages. Second career anyone? Lots of people meet a bump in the road in their career or are "downsized," and find themselves going back to school. Many more go back to school simply because they want to go a different direction. None of us can predict the future, what our goals will be later in life. I haven't heard of any laws saying now that Windy is a married teen she can't go back to school. I imagine years down the road, they'll be laughing together how their marriage attracted so much attention, though they just wanted to be married like any other engaged couple. I think Windy's got poise and guts to do what she did; I can't say that for her critics.

Windy

I knew her here in LINCOLN county also. NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS WOULD I HAVE THOUGHT SHE WOULD HAVE MADE SUCH A DECISION. I wish they would have stayed here also. She was a great kid who seemed to have her head on straight. My 11 year old really looked up to her when they lived here. Even HE was disappointed in her actions. He just shook his head. I hope the best for Windy and her family.

You all need to leave them

You all need to leave them alone people are so small minded!! Have you stopped to think that they have feelings and they might really love each other i believe that they will last!! because i know they love each other!!!

Everybody's fault

Okay...this is crazy!! I am 17 and am engaged to a 21 year old...we are to be married shortly...however I am by no means supporting Windy's decision...I believe that the age difference is way too much...I mean 4-5 years is a stretch for me. As for all who say she isn't old enough to make her own decisions I beg to differ...I have been making my own decisions for quite a while now. The thing is she should have been prevented. A restraining order, pulling her out of the school, even homeschooling her would have worked. She should have been stopped or at least helped at the age of 14. Also, if the man had done this before then people know. What happened to background checks on school employees? I mean seriously the school board should have checked first. Her parents should not have signed the papers. I know they wanted to save their relationship with her. My dad feels the same way about mine and his relationship but the thing is parents do have to be parents sometimes. Actually they should live up to their names all the time. If this girl is adult enough to make the decision to marry this guy she i adult enough to see what is transpiring here. People say love is blind, but I don't think so. I see flaws in many relationships and know that the things could be prevented. I believe that if this girl is as smart as they say then she knows what she's doing...who knows why she did it...maybe she just did it because she knew that she would get whatever she wanted for a while at least. Maybe she is being rebellious...maybe she really loves him...whatever the case, she is already married and there is nothing anybody can do about it. I'm not necessarily taking her side...I'm not siding with anyone. But in our strange, twisted, manipulative world we live in today how are we as teenagers supposed to be able to completely see whats wrong and what's right. So what if our decisions aren't acceptable to society. I just don't understand...at 17 we can drive, go over seas to fight for our country...hell we can even die in a car accident at any age...the fact is we make decisions everyday at any age...some are bigger than others but still we make life changing decisions everyday...The fact that her parents signed just upsets me...I mean my dad is actually being a parent and won't sign the papers for my marriage. He's making me wait until I turn 18 to get married. Her parents could have done that. If the two really loved each other like they say they do then their relationship would have lasted for 2 more years like the 2 years that it has "allegedly" lasted. As for the person who said they were already having sex...no one knows for sure. They could have just made out or hung out or stuff like that. Although part of that is still wrong, I think it is slander to say something like that about a girl and man that you know nothing about. Yeah, you hear all the stuff in the news but didn't anyone tell you??? you can't believe everything you hear and only half of what you see. I don't understand why people are jumping the gun without the story of the people involved. You hear her parents story and stories of teenagers at the school...who, by the way, y'all have already said are mature enough to make stable decisions. They all could just say it for attention because Windy is in the limelight and they are not. Trust me, I'm a teenager, it happens all the time. As for the coach, while he does give a bad name to coaches and teachers which I resent because my fav teacher is a wrestling coach, you shouldn't judge him just yet either. He is innocent until proven guilty concerning his past. If he would have had sexual relations with that girl before now or with any other person, somebody would have heard about it through the grapevine of teenage gossipers...Teens always tell their best friend everything...guy or girl. The thing is everyone is quick to judge without all the facts. The fact is her parents could have stopped it and none of this would have happened. The school board should have been careful and none of this would have happened. The man should have been helped and none of this would have happened. The media should have helped but all they do is send out the wrong messages. All of this is twisted. It all comes down to this. There is nothing anybody can do about this because there isn't a shred of proof to prove that they did anything wrong besides marry with a weird gap...with PARENTAL CONSENT!!! That's the whole point. It's nobodies business...the parents just needed to learn to live with their bad decision making capabilities...one day the girl will realize that she was wrong, IF she was wrong. You never know. Just don't be so quick to judge. People should of, could of, would of but didn't and now it's too late. All that can happen now is that people can start to work more on preventing it from happening again. It already happened, so move on and prevent it from happening again. There are thousands upon thousands of other kids out there that need help and guidance. Move on and protect and help them. That should be the focus now. Not on the past, but on the present and on the future of all the children, families, and schools of the world. Like I've always heard and already said..."Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda, but I didn't now it's too late and I have to live with my decision"...you know...when we turn 16 we can make good decisions as long as we have someone guiding us in the right direction. I believe that although this situation is not "ideal" for an American family we should give her a chance. As long as she realizes that she's wrong, IF she's wrong, before it's too late then life might be better for her. Windy if you are reading this I wish you the best of luck in your future. Don't give up on your dreams, hopes, or future. Try to prove these people wrong that are putting you down...You can do it if that is what you really want and if you really love each other. God bless you all in all of your future plans, relationships, and lives.

Right.. wrong..

And many would say that you being 17 and engaged is wrong, too. Opinions are like a&&holes - everyone has one.

Maybe these people are really in love... maybe just as much as most other people who marry based on.. what exactly? Does everyone do it for the "right" reasons? It's anyones GUESS what those reasons are, anyway. Good luck to them, I say.

windy hager

I go to school at south brunswick high and the relationship between coach wuchae and windy was no surprise to any of the students at the school. They were to gether it seemed like 24/7 my friends and i saw the two quite often running, shopping, and grabbing a bite. We also saw the two at school together all the time there is no way that the two were only friends. Also there is no way that the staff could have not noticed this, if they had no idea then they were simply ignorant and oblivious to what is going on around them at all hours of the school day. I think that they should have taken more concern to this issue than us using too many ketchup packets at lunch. I say that south brunswick needs some staff improvements.

A few poiunts of clarification

Pedophile- One who is solely or primarily attracted to prepubescent children. Sorry if this does not conform to so many ideas of what a pedophile is, but it is the true definition. Just according to the pictures I have seen, that description does not apply to Mrs. Wuchae.

Conjecture- For all those who "know" that there was a sexual relationship here, how do you know? Spy cam? The fact is that you do NOT know, you suspect. Big difference. Ever heard of the concept of "innocent until PROVEN (as in proven with facts) Guilty?"

"Innocent until PROVEN guilty"- ummmm, I have two words for you: Duke Lacrosse. Why? Because plenty of people jumped on the bandwagon against those boys before the facts were in. Same thing here, no FACT exists that they had an inappropriate physical relationship at any point.

Age- At 16 an average person may not be as mentally mature as at 18, but an 18 year old is not as mentally mature as a 21 year old, a 21 year old as mature as a 25 year old, etc. Where do you draw the line?

Well, in North Carolina it works like this: EVERYONE is considered mentally an adult at 18 (except for the insane, developmentally disabled, etc). 16 year olds MAY be considered an adult if they go before a judge and basically ask for it. Functionally this means that the age of adulthood in NC is really 16. If you do not like it, change the law.

Biology- If you want to change the physical attraction of teenage females to older men, or men of any age to the physical body of females under 18, you will need to do some pretty heavy lifting in the world of molecular biology. Folks the Attraction and predisposition are there in most people's genes. What you DO, with the attraction is your own business, but it is there in virtually all of us. Figure out how to change that and you win a Nobel prize.

Previous experience in Guilford- If you were a girl who was truly molested by Coach Wuchae, you have a duty to society to go to the police about it. That is a crime, and if convicted he will serve hard time for it, and absolutely rightfully so. However, realize that convicting someone this long after the fact is not easy in the absence of physical evidence.

For those who might be interested in accusing Coach W to get your face in the papers, maybe you can just wait to go to the DA until just before the next election. We do seem to have developed something of an international reputation in NC for prosecutions based on flimsy or non-existent evidence, haven't we. Where's Mike Nifong when you need him, right?

However, if you are simply someone who "heard from a freind" or are repeating "what everyone knew", that is SLANDER. It is a civil tort, which means you can be sued for it by Coach Wuchae, and he can collect money from you because of it. OOOPS, slight mistake...It is LIBEL if it is done in a broadcast way..and I think this counts.

If it was my daughter, I would have (insert crime here)- Reality check here folks. Killing people sends you to prison, as does castrating them, beating them with a lead pipe, or even threatening to do any of the above. That would be a "yep, no doubt crime" competing against a "maybe, we think something is going on" crime.

Under 16 and fooling around- for women who came of age in the 1950s and early 1960s, 19% had had intercourse prior to turning 16, while of those who reached this age in the 1970s and 1980s 37% had done so. (Handbook of Women's Sexual and Reproductive Health, Gina M. Wingood, Ralph J. DiClemente, pg. 52). Stats for the early part of the century showed higher rates than that because the women were often married by that time, particularly in less affluent groups. Current figures show that the percentage of pre-16 sexual activity by females is also rising.

Is this all due to Coach Wuchae? All due solely to some group of groping molesters? Nope. These young ladies (by and large)WANT this to happen. Reality is a cruel mistress.

Age differential- I guess it would be better for Windy if she was doing the horizontal mambo in the back seat of somebody's car off a portion of River road with some zit faced 16 year-old boy. "Oh, that is love"...hogwash.

It should have been stopped- Yeah, you can stop this... just like old King Canute was able to stop the tide from rolling in. Best of luck to you all!

Hypocrisy- I Especially love all the women who are church moms now (and who know that they are no longer as physically attractive) getting in such a huff about this... when so many of them were probably (statistically speaking) doing the same thing when they were Windy's age, just without the sanction of marriage.

I could go on, but it tires me. Good luck no longer Coach W. & Windy. Having fun will be the best revenge on all these yahoos you can imagine.

Questions

Ok i have a question, this just happened to me recently i had a boyfriend who is 41 years old, i was only with him for 6 months, but in those 6 months i discovered some things that i don't know if they are true or if i am just seeing too much into it. Ok he has a step-daughter who is 16 yrs old, i have suspected that he is in love with her for the last 4 months. He says that he is her dad and that's why he treats her the way he does. I started noticing in October of 2007 that he would go out of his way, i mean showering her with gifts, texting her many many times a day and calling her and getting very jealous over her having a boyfriend. He also has a real daughter who is younger but doesn't see her at all or even tries to. I have confronted him and of course the answer is always no. I kind of left it alone but in November one of his best friends talked to me and said these exact words "there is love there, but i don't think it's a father daughter love" So i again confronted him and asked him to introduce me to her, but his answer was always no until one night that he told me he was going to his airforce base to work, yes he's in the military, i followed him and he went to her house, the little girl doesn't live at home, she lives with her grandparents, so i confronted him and i made him introduce me, the little girl was extememly upset with him and of course so was I. Now we have broken up because i could not deal with it. I have gone around and around in circles and i have decided to leave it alone and let it be cause i can't prove anything. I feel i need counseling though cause i've never been thru an experience like this. How would i cope with this and am i doing wrong by not saying anything? What if it isn't true that there is something going on or what if it is and that little girl doesn't know what she's getting into and something happens to her and i didn't report it, because she has seen him as a dad always and he sees her in a very different way.

You should...

You should immediately contact your county DSS and report this to child protective services. You can do this anonimously or you can give your name. Please have all the details (i.e. address, names of individuals involved, dates and times of the incidents, etc...). As far as getting counseling for this, contact your primary care physician and ask for a recommendation for a counselor (without getting into details of what you have been through). With his recommendation and some talk therapy, you will be on the road to feeling less guilty. Of note and as a Mental Health professional, you have done NOTHING wrong! Relax, leave it to the county DSS and GOD to take care of this person and just tell yourself that "at least you are no longer with him now!"

Response to POINTS (spell check) of Clarification

First of all...this relationship started when she was 14. I'm not an expert, but that constitues pedophilia to me. That is a predator preying on a CHILD. Have you ever seen to CATCH A PREDATOR? They arrest guys who are 20 going after a 14 year old, much less someone who is 38. You know why? Oh, BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL. After reading your comments, I'm concerned that we one day might be seeing YOU on that program... you need to seek help or stop commenting on issues you have a warped, illegal view on.

An additional note: if I were here parents I wouldn't have signed my daughter away-period.

Peadaphiles

Hello Regarding a story featured on here about 14 year old girls having sexual intercourse with older men,I would just like to point out that wouldn't make him a peadaphile,peadaphiles like young children that haven't developed any adult features and they like them as young as they can get them,no for thousands of years women of this age have been deemed suitable for marriage to much older men,now in britain today loads of girls in this age group get into night clubs and bars meant for over 18's and they flirt and get off with men well into their twenties,now firstly if they looked like little girls and not women they would never get into the establishment and the men in them wouldn't want to kiss and fondle them,but our small minded society treats them like innocent and they are not,but regarding men that knowingly date and have sex and have a preference for girls this age,they are in fact regarded as hebephiles.

What can be said on this one?

Well people after reading everyones inputs. I have officialy figured out why people think the way they do. What is the worst that can happen? They can be happy for a short period of time get knocked up then they get divorced? I dont know exactlly the stipulations on how they came to be or how long they will last but i do know this happyness doesnt come along every day and as long as she and he are happy together then so be it. There must be some kind of happyness there due to the simple fact her parents signed the consent form vice pressing charges. So let them be and stay the hell out there buisness. Always try to put yourself in their shoes and think about how it would feel. If he trapped her sorry for her but they are all seeing something we are not and once again im sure the "news" isnt publishing the "whole" truth so there something there we are not seeing.

The End

I'm glad I know now that getting married equates to throwing your life away. Should save me some trouble.

I agree with one of the other people somewhere in this long list of comments that talked about the guy being a teacher and damaging the profession. He should have resigned the moment he had romantic interest. But we really can't judge whether or not he's a sicko or she's an idiot anymore than we can when anyone in this crazy world gets married.

Also keep in mind that the average age at which people are getting married has risen dramatically. This may not have seemed so odd in the past and everyone simply casting stones is being very ethnocentric as well as ignoring faults that they have themselves.

Retrospect

In Googling this, check out the quotes from this article in November. See it coming???

http://www.stateportpilot.com/sports/11-8crosscountry.htm

Wow, stupids all around

1) What kind of idiot parents name their kid "Windy"?

2) What kind of idiot parents actually SIGN THE CONSENT FORM????

3) What kind of idiot parents sign the consent form and then tell the public "We had no choice"???

Oh, yeah...what's Coach Pervert going to do now that he has no coaching and teaching job. I'm sure he's accumulated all kinds of other job skills and connections during his years of being a gym coach...(not)

Windy

I knew Windy when she went to Middle School in Lincoln county (not Catawba). We were really good friends and I cant believe that this has happened! Windy was one of the smartest kids that I knew. I would have never thought that she would have made such a stupid mistake. I guess if she would have stayed in Lincoln County that this would not have happened. I guess it is stupid to hindsight or whatever. I'm hopeful that she will make the right choice and go home to her family!!!!

Windy

I knew her here in LINCOLN county also. NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS WOULD I HAVE THOUGHT SHE WOULD HAVE MADE SUCH A DECISION. I wish they would have stayed here also. She was a great kid who seemed to have her head on straight. My 11 year old really looked up to her when they lived here. Even HE was disappointed in her actions. He just shook his head. I hope the best for Windy and her family.

5 billion people on this planet

So everybody is saying that there's not a chance this actually could work out well for both. Out of 5 billion people, you're saying there's no chance that these 2 are actually right for each other? Sure, odds are overwhelmingly against them, but give them a chance instead of condemning them before they even get to try.

She can still go to college and live a happy life. What's stopping her? If he's a decent guy (oh forgot, he CAN'T be decent because he married a 16 year old) he could actually help her achieve her goals. What if this girl is actually smarter and more mature than you realize? What if there's actually nothing salacious about this but the age gap?

Sure, odds are overwhelmingly against them. But instead of branding them as pervert and stupid kid, let them live. i'm not marrying a 16 year old when i'm 40, but who am i to say it's wrong for everybody? Ahhhhh whatever, people love to judge.

*** oh forgot, he CAN'T be

*** oh forgot, he CAN'T be decent because he married a 16 year old ***

You're an idiot.

A 40 year old man with a romantic interest in a 16-year-old has got SERIOUS issues. I'm 42 and am around college-age kids a lot due to my job. They are children. 16 is ridiculous. The guy is a total loser.

i can't agree with you more

mark, you are SO right. there is definitely something wrong with a 40 year old man who is interested in a 16 year old girl. his "special interest" in her started when she was 14 and he was 38. that is just sick! i bet there's more to this man's background than we know right now. just wait and see.

Open mind

I agree with you.. Most of the world is against what you just said. It is understandale to think that hes a pervert, and maybe he is... But those of us commenting don't know. We can't assume anything. I hope the world develops a more open mind when it comes to love.

pervert

I have about a million bucks that says you are a MALE. I hope you stay away from my daughter. And to answer your question, YES he is a pervert.

Shame!

I wonder how many other teen girls he has been with? I know this cannot be his first. Where is TO CATCH A PREDITOR when you need them??

When he is older

When he hits 50, and she turns 26, she may just look at the world in a different way. Life comes at you fast, as the commercial says. What a horrible mistake for this young lady. Anyone know the divorce rate in NC?

My money says that when he

My money says that when he is 50 and she is 26 they won't be together..Think about it, he likes teenagers, that is where he will be "trolling" unless of course, the pervert finally gets caught.

Maybe we're missing some important issues...

First of all, I would like to say that I'm extremely upset with this teacher and others in this country who are defiling one of the most important professions that exists today. I have spent the last eight years getting my education in preparation to become a teacher. It is terribly disappointing to see other teachers choosing to behave this way. I love my profession and I adore my students. However, I don't even understand what it is in a human being that allows them to be capable of becoming involved with a minor in that capacity. I truly believe that those people are sick.

I live in Tennessee where, in the last year, two female teachers have gotten in serious trouble for being involved with students. Both of those teachers are now in jail. Mary Kay Latourneau spent something like 7 or 8 years in jail for being involved with a student. She had intentions of marrying this student and since has, but she was still punished for her actions. A lot of these cases have dealt with younger students, but the fact is that they are all CHILDREN, including this 16 year old girl.

I am not a parent and I know that I do not completely understand the commitment and devotion it takes to parent a child. I do, however, understand how dedicated to my SAFETY and WELL-BEING my parents have been. Even when you have a teenager who is a good student/athlete and never causes problems, you still need to set boundaries. This problem should have been nipped in the bud from the beginning. I have a really hard time believing that these parents did absolutely everything possible to make this situation go away. Anyone ever heard of grounding? If your teenage daughter is mad at you for right now, she might thank you later for stopping her from making what could be the biggest mistake of her life.

I truly hope, no matter what happens in this case, that this young girl continues on to fulfill her dreams. Just because she married this guy doesn't mean that she needs to give up everything. He would be an even more terrible person if he prevented her from doing what she wants to do. She needs to go to college, have a career and live out her life, even if he is a part of it. I suppose there is a small chance that this marriage could work, but either way I hope that it does not hinder her future.

One more thing....for pete's sake will all the teachers stop sleeping with their students and messing up our reputation?!?!

maybe we are missing some important issues

Welcome to Brunswick County North Carolina..where sexual assault is ok...

This is gross

this is totally distgusting. revolting. i cant believe that HER PARENTS, who were supposed to be her PROTECTORS could let something like this happen. anyone ever heard of punishment? grounding? hello people WAKE UP!

To the ignorant....and the angry parent

First of all, a man who is 40 years old shouldn’t even be thinking about marrying a 16-year old girl. Also, as a teacher and an adult with some life experience, he should have known better. However, for those of you who say that he is a pedophile, I do not agree. Is it disgusting? YES, very!!! But as I’m sure every one knows the legal age of consent in NC is 16. And as I was reading over all 75+ comments, I noticed that there was only one person that even mentioned the fact that this 16-year old girl is capable of getting her-self emancipated. That was the very first thing I thought of after hearing that her parents had signed the paper for her to wed. Yes, obviously her parents signed the papers and yes, they had the choice not to, but in all fairness, I’m sure they wanted to salvage some sort of relationship with their daughter, rather than lose it completely. At the age of 16 you can do a lot of things, such as: drop out of school, drive, legally consent to sex, get emancipated (and undermine your parents anyway), etc…

So, was this marriage a good decision? No, but the choice is not ours. It really just comes down to what Brenton Wuchae and Windy Hager want.

I also noticed the comment about West Brunswick High School teacher, David Arrowood. He was found guilty and punished for his actions. They were inappropriate and everyone knows it. Do not take what I am about to say as me in any way defending him or his actions but, if he was punished for having sex with a 17-year old girl, who is not only legal age of consent but also a graduating senior, then why was Mr. Wuchae not punished for his actions. Was it because he actually married the girl? And if so, then maybe Mr. Arrowood could have done the same thing and escaped punishment. This kind of stuff happens a lot more than people realize, and as much as we try to stop it, we wont ever to be able to. People should also understand that these teachers are not always the ones that pursue these relationships. Any boy or girl that went to high school either had a friend(s), or they themselves, were physically attracted to a teacher or authority figure. It is human nature. And I hate to say this but teenage girls can be very manipulative. They also know that if they don’t get what they want, or if someone finds out, they can cry wolf…even if the person being accused is innocent. Although, the two men mentioned in this comment are not innocent by any means! As far as Human Resources and the school systems from county to county are concerned, actually checking the backgrounds of hopeful teachers, should be done every time, and any indiscretions should be provided. It may not stop this problem but it may help to cut it down. I do agree that parents should be able to send their children to school without having to worry about older men (or women) looking for greener pastures, and naïve children to manipulate.

As for the angry parent that posted the following comment:
WHERE THE HELL IS LAW ENFORCEMENT AND MCGEE
Submitted by ANGRY PARENT (not verified) on 21 June 2007 - 7:36am.
This story is disgusting. What makes it disgusting is the fact that our Sheriff is busy defending him self against the grand jury tieing up staff with his bull. Chief Rodney Gause is busy coddleing his own sex offenders, Katie McGee is busy cashing those big checks and smoozing with the big boys, Rex Gore is busy preparing to cover his butt from a grand jury and OUR TEENAGERS ARE BEING SEXUALLY ASSAULTED BY THEIR TEACHERS. WAKE UP PEOPLE. START ASKING FOR RESIGNATIONS IN THIS COUNTY. OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT IS A JOKE, KATIE MCGEE IS USELESS AND OUR DA IS A WASTE. LET'S ASK THE MEDIA TO ASK FOR RESIGNATIONS. START SENDING LETTERS TO THE GOVERNOR ASKING HIM FOR A STATE INVESTIGATION INTO THIS COUNTY...IT'S TIME FOR CHANGE.
Yes, the story of Brent and Windy is not only disgusting but pathetic as well. I know that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but there is absolutely NO reason to bring Rodney Gause and his officers into this situation. And before you label those two officers as sex offender’s maybe you should know some facts about the girl involved. I personally know her, and honestly, her actions elsewhere should speak louder than her lies!! She was already embarrassed in court once, and that situation really needs to be laid to rest. Also, Shallotte police officers have NOTHING to do with something that happened at South Brunswick High School…just in case you didn’t know!!! As far as your thoughts on Ronald Hewett, I don’t have much to say about him. I have known him for a while and I know some of his family. Now as far him keeping his officers tied up, I do not agree. If the girl’s parents REALLY wanted something to be done about it, they could have had law enforcement involved in some way or another. And whether Ronald is guilty or innocent is not for you or me to decide! To your comment about our teenagers being sexually assaulted by their teachers, I’m not saying that it isn’t true but, teenagers (and everyone else in the world) can be assaulted anywhere…whether it be at school, at work, at home, daycare, the bus, the mall, etc. Yes, people like David Arrowood and Brent Wuchae, should be asked to resign. They are supposed to be concerned with the well-being and education of the children, not about getting in their pants…but on the other hand, some of these children need to understand that they go to school to learn not to fantasize about relationships with their teachers, or even worse, trying to pursue one. And since you seem to think that some political figures and law enforcement officers are so corrupt, then why tell people to contact the governor? Who’s to say that he will do anything about it either? I do agree with what you said about it being time for a change...it is time for a change. It’s time that people like you start trying to learn or figure out all of the facts before pointing the finger and branding people. But for people like you I’m sure that is way too much to ask. There are always 2 sides to every story and I’m sure someone with a proper education would be able to take facts from each side to uncover the truth. It is people like you that give southern people the negative connotation, of “ignorant red-necks.”

You're the ignorant one

You can't say that teenagers have to quit having feelings for teachers or people in power. That's an ignorant statement. People who are in authority (in this case the coach/teacher) need to be held accountable for their actions. He should know better. Don't give me the 'manipulative teenage girl' line. He's a 40 year old man. He's more responsible for his actions than a teenager is. That's why he's allowed to vote and she's not. He's supposed to be responsible. That's why he's allowed to drink alcohol and she's not. He's supposed to be responsible.

Personally, as a parent, I would have stomped a mud hole in his backside.

To Guestclew...

Read a little closer next time…

You're the ignorant one
Submitted by Guestclew (not verified) on 27 June 2007 - 6:31am.
You can't say that teenagers have to quit having feelings for teachers or people in power. That's an ignorant statement. People who are in authority (in this case the coach/teacher) need to be held accountable for their actions. He should know better. Don't give me the 'manipulative teenage girl' line. He's a 40 year old man. He's more responsible for his actions than a teenager is. That's why he's allowed to vote and she's not. He's supposed to be responsible. That's why he's allowed to drink alcohol and she's not. He's supposed to be responsible.
Personally, as a parent, I would have stomped a mud hole in his backside.

First of all, you obviously need to read a little closer before you open your mouth!! I know that these people should be held accountable for their actions. I never said that they shouldn’t be!! I also said that these teenagers need to realize what they go to school for…oh, and just in case you were misinformed, that is to learn. Not to have “feelings” for a teacher. Yes, a person that is 40-years old should definitely know better, but a teenager that is 16-years old should as well. Just because they aren’t 18 doesn’t mean that they don’t know the difference between right and wrong. Obviously your beliefs as a parent, is part of the reason these teenagers think that they don’t have to take the blame for anything. Yes, he is supposed to be responsible, but so is she! Sorry, but at 16-years old you are not a little child anymore. So, while you may have stomped a mud hole in his backside…her parents should have stomped one in hers. I wasn’t picking sides. I just simply stated that there are two sides to every story. Granted, this coach/teacher should have been the more mature/responsible one, but he is not the only one at fault here.

To the ignorant...and the angry parent!!!

First of all, a man who is 40 years old shouldn’t even be thinking about marrying a 16-year old girl. Also, as a teacher and an adult with some life experience, he should have known better. However, for those of you who say that he is a pedophile, I do not agree. Is it disgusting? YES, very!!! But as I’m sure every one knows the legal age of consent in NC is 16. And as I was reading over all 75+ comments, I noticed that there was only one person that even mentioned the fact that this 16-year old girl is capable of getting her-self emancipated. That was the very first thing I thought of after hearing that her parents had signed the paper for her to wed. Yes, obviously her parents signed the papers and yes, they had the choice not to, but in all fairness, I’m sure they wanted to salvage some sort of relationship with their daughter, rather than lose it completely. At the age of 16 you can do a lot of things, such as: drop out of school, drive, legally consent to sex, get emancipated (and undermine your parents anyway), etc…

So, was this marriage a good decision? No, but the choice is not ours. It really just comes down to what Brenton Wuchae and Windy Hager want.

I also noticed the comment about West Brunswick High School teacher, David Arrowood. He was found guilty and punished for his actions. They were inappropriate and everyone knows it. Do not take what I am about to say as me in any way defending him or his actions but, if he was punished for having sex with a 17-year old girl, who is not only legal age of consent but also a graduating senior, then why was Mr. Wuchae not punished for his actions. Was it because he actually married the girl? And if so, then maybe Mr. Arrowood could have done the same thing and escaped punishment. This kind of stuff happens a lot more than people realize, and as much as we try to stop it, we wont ever to be able to. People should also understand that these teachers are not always the ones that pursue these relationships. Any boy or girl that went to high school either had a friend(s), or they themselves, were physically attracted to a teacher or authority figure. It is human nature. And I hate to say this but teenage girls can be very manipulative. They also know that if they don’t get what they want, or if someone finds out, they can cry wolf…even if the person being accused is innocent. Although, the two men mentioned in this comment are not innocent by any means! As far as Human Resources and the school systems from county to county are concerned, actually checking the backgrounds of hopeful teachers, should be done every time, and any indiscretions should be provided. It may not stop this problem but it may help to cut it down. I do agree that parents should be able to send their children to school without having to worry about older men (or women) looking for greener pastures, and naïve children to manipulate.

As for the angry parent that posted the following comment:
WHERE THE HELL IS LAW ENFORCEMENT AND MCGEE
Submitted by ANGRY PARENT (not verified) on 21 June 2007 - 7:36am.
This story is disgusting. What makes it disgusting is the fact that our Sheriff is busy defending him self against the grand jury tieing up staff with his bull. Chief Rodney Gause is busy coddleing his own sex offenders, Katie McGee is busy cashing those big checks and smoozing with the big boys, Rex Gore is busy preparing to cover his butt from a grand jury and OUR TEENAGERS ARE BEING SEXUALLY ASSAULTED BY THEIR TEACHERS. WAKE UP PEOPLE. START ASKING FOR RESIGNATIONS IN THIS COUNTY. OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT IS A JOKE, KATIE MCGEE IS USELESS AND OUR DA IS A WASTE. LET'S ASK THE MEDIA TO ASK FOR RESIGNATIONS. START SENDING LETTERS TO THE GOVERNOR ASKING HIM FOR A STATE INVESTIGATION INTO THIS COUNTY...IT'S TIME FOR CHANGE.
Yes, the story of Brent and Windy is not only disgusting but pathetic as well. I know that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but there is absolutely NO reason to bring Rodney Gause and his officers into this situation. And before you label those two officers as sex offender’s maybe you should know some facts about the girl involved. I personally know her, and honestly, her actions elsewhere should speak louder than her lies!! She was already embarrassed in court once, and that situation really needs to be laid to rest. Also, Shallotte police officers have NOTHING to do with something that happened at South Brunswick High School…just in case you didn’t know!!! As far as your thoughts on Ronald Hewett, I don’t have much to say about him. I have known him for a while and I know some of his family. Now as far him keeping his officers tied up, I do not agree. If the girl’s parents REALLY wanted something to be done about it, they could have had law enforcement involved in some way or another. And whether Ronald is guilty or innocent is not for you or me to decide! To your comment about our teenagers being sexually assaulted by their teachers, I’m not saying that it isn’t true but, teenagers (and everyone else in the world) can be assaulted anywhere…whether it be at school, at work, at home, daycare, the bus, the mall, etc. Yes, people like David Arrowood and Brent Wuchae, should be asked to resign. They are supposed to be concerned with the well-being and education of the children, not about getting in their pants…but on the other hand, some of these children need to understand that they go to school to learn not to fantasize about relationships with their teachers, or even worse, trying to pursue one. And since you seem to think that some political figures and law enforcement officers are so corrupt, then why tell people to contact the governor? Who’s to say that he will do anything about it either? I do agree with what you said about it being time for a change...it is time for a change. It’s time that people like you start trying to learn or figure out all of the facts before pointing the finger and branding people. But for people like you I’m sure that is way too much to ask. There are always 2 sides to every story and I’m sure someone with a proper education would be able to take facts from each side to uncover the truth. It is people like you that give southern people the negative connotation, of “ignorant red-necks.”

Enuff already...

You're blue in the face, and you have beat this horse way past dead, give it up.

And yeah, learn to post!

response to shanstrange

I'm not sure where you're from but in NC, there is no such thing as a peace bond.

Yep...

I agree w/ the below statement, they should never have signed. Parents need to learn to control there children. My sister just moved off w/ some guy, but guess what she's 23 and can do what she wants. This chick was 16. She isnt even old enough to Vote, buy cigaretts, or alcohol, she barely can legally drive, and her parents were stupid enough to sign a marriage waiver? Idiots.... I mean, when she is 25 and, um, "in her prime" and he is 50 and, well, loosing his.... She'll realize she made a big mistake.... HaHa! Imagine being 25 and having to wake up every morning next to a old wrinkled up man.... I dont see this marriage lasting past graduation.

Parents have lost it

I know that she is trying to make it sound like she was watching that child but i beg to differ. Any parent who is going to sign the papers to allow their child to marry someone the same age as themselves needs help. You would have to be crazy to allow it. A child that young is impulsive, wants the things to satisfy themselves at the very moment they are in. Read a psychology book. I can not imagine what is going to happen to this CHILD now. Really sad. Although I am not at all that suprised considering the source of this story! People who know a lot about the family can understand maybe why the child feels and acts the way that she does! As for the 40-year old teacher, he needs to be put away. There is no excuse.

A pedophile by any other name is still a pedophile

People who haven’t lived through the situation should not judge the parents of Windy. I can tell you from personal experience that the law basically emancipates a person when they turn 16. My daughter ran away from home when I grounded her for seeing an older man. When we found her the sheriff told her she did not have to go home with me and if she did we couldn’t ground her.
When my daughter decided to drop out of high school the school officials told me they could not compel my 17-year-old daughter to go to school. They felt it was a waste of time – even though she was an A-B student.
When we called social services and child services and explained to them that this older man was providing my 16-year-old daughter with marijuana they said because of her age they couldn’t get involved. The sheriff wasn’t interested in investigating just a causal user of marijuana - so much for contributing to the delinquency of a minor or child endangerment.
At the age of 16 if you can’t ground them, spank them, make them go to school or prevent them from having sex then exactly what else could the parents have done? After you fight it for so long it starts to wear on the relationship you have with your wife, your other underage children and still you get nowhere with the child.
As for the individuals who in any way are trying to justify, explain or otherwise accept what the coach has done they must not have children. If you can sit there and honestly say you think this man is anything other than a pedophile you must be a sick individual. Just because the state says the legal age of consent is 16 doesn’t give 40-year men the right to pursue 16-year-old girls. There is something wrong with an older individual that has to pursue teenage girls for his jollies. Don’t be naive and believe that this relationship just magically occurred when this girl turned 16. They were having sex long before that. Just because he married the girl does not absolve him of his criminal actions prior to them getting married. I sincerely hope the law does get involved and sends her new husband to jail for a long time.
As for the individuals who want to in any way blame the girl, I suppose you are also the type of individual that blames a girl for getting raped or molested. My father molested one of my daughters – I suppose you would tell me that my 11-year-old daughter pursued my father. This man is 24 years her elder. He was the responsible adult. He should have walked away before this was ever an issue. Teenagers often become infatuated with their teachers, it is up to the teachers to place boundaries on the relationships they have with their students. It is a just an excuse to say girls can be manipulative. It still doesn’t excuse the teacher for not doing the right thing. A 16 year old no matter how mature they act is still a child. They don’t have life experiences; their judgment is short sighted and is often given to rash decisions. That is why the teacher should have stepped up to the plate and corrected her behavior if she was the one in fact doing the pursuing. He is still at fault.
The law has removed too many of our rights as parents already. As long as we are considered legally responsible for our children we should have control over their lives. Who they date, where and when they go, medical decisions, school decisions, punishments should be under our control and we should have the backing of the legal system.
Oh and by the way – I am also a redneck and do believe that some law enforcement in Brunswick County is too concerned about making movies and cookbooks and photo ops to care about the real issues.

Wild children

Did you ever contemplate having your daughter declared an emancipated minor? I fully admit that it's not an easy decision to make, but it's often the only course of action to save your sanity and provide you with some legal cover.

The Hagers claim that they finally yielded and gave Windy permission to wed because they feared she would run away. Perhaps I'm a bit harder and colder, but I assure you that I would have seen her walk out that door and said goodbye before I totally surrendered and became a party to what I firmly believed was wrong. I, too, might have been powerless to stop Windy from destroying her life, but she would have done it on her own. I would not have been a co-signer.

Sometimes tough love is the last tool in the box, and all you have left to use. I had my own nightmare child that I sent to jail when it became apparent that she was involved in illegal activity. Twenty years later, that is still the source of a great rift between us. We'll never have a warm, loving, father-daughter relationship.

But you know what? That event was the beginning of her growing up, the first steps in straightening out her life. She now has a successful career, is married, has two children, and her wild days are long behind her.

So I did my job as a parent....and I can live with the outcome.

You sent your own daughter

You sent your own daughter to jail? Wow.

There are some seriously demented people on this discussion, and most are out on a witch hunt to find someone to blame.

I disagree...

I do not agree with your accusation. It seems to me that this man's daughter sent herself to jail. You can not send someone to jail if they have done nothing wrong. The problem with this world is that people take no responsibility for their own choices. Jail was a consequence for her actions.

If this man's daughter did something illegal and was sent to jail as a result, then you can not fault him for doing what is right. He did not make her break the law.

my daughter did it too

My step-daughter also married a man 36 years older than herself, but she was 26 when he wooed her. My husband and I can't stand him, he's old enough to be my father, he has the nerve to call me ma. Now she's 36 and she only associates with elderly people, and acts like an immature child. She doesn't live close to home anymore, which is a good thing...Talk about a generation gap....Visits with him are very difficult. Her sister calls her brother in law a pedophile. His children are all older than his wife. I think they both have major issues. Now that over 10 years have passed, she's seeing that he's not young and fit. I wonder if he'll be around in 10 more years.Then I wonder if she'll have to move back home with Mommy & daddy in the event of his death. The whole thing makes me nauseous.
Thank heaven that she decided to not have children with him.

what! are you serious

what! are you serious

something's not right

but the article says, "they finally gave in, signing a document allowing Windy to marry Wuchae." I mean come on, if they didn't want this to happen all they had to do was refuse to sign. this document shows that the coach was carrying (or planning to carry) a illegal relationship with a minor. that should have been more then enough evidence for the local police to follow up. Also a private investigator could have easily caught them in the act, so to say, which would have put the coach in jail.

A private investigator

A private investigator "catching them in the act" would be illegal in multiple ways, and would give a free pass into allowing the relationship to continue. The only thing the parents could have done was not sign the papers, but they didn't do that.

16 is nothing !

There was some renowned religious guy way back about 1300 years ago in Arabia who married a young 9-year-old girl who was still playing with her dolls. No one is saying anything against this guy and hes supposed to be a prophet to countless millions.

Come on guys. Get over it !

Reality checker

OMG you are a dork......its 2007 if you didn't notice. We all are Americans, this is America. If you have a problem with us having problems with perverts then MOVE to Arabia. See ya.

Me thinks the coach is adding comments to this page now. lmao

The Prophet narried to Aesha when she was 17 years old .

Was Hazrath Aisha 9 years old when she got married?

Mir Murad Alikhan Bait-ul -Qayem NJ

EVIDENCE #1: Reliability of Source
Most of the narratives printed in the books of hadith are reported only by Hisham ibn `Urwah son of Zubair, and Urwah’s mother was Aisha sister Asma, who was reporting on the authority of his father. First of all, more people than just one, two or three should logically have reported. It is strange that no one from Medina, where Hisham ibn `Urwah lived the first 71 years of his life narrated the event, despite the fact that his Medinan pupils included the well-respected Malik ibn Anas. The origins of the report of the narratives of this event are people from Iraq, where Hisham is reported to have shifted after living in Medina for most of his life.

Tehzibu’l-Tehzib, one of the most well known books on the life and reliability of the narrators of the traditions of the Prophet, reports that according to Yaqub ibn Shaibah: “He [Hisham] is highly reliable, his narratives are acceptable, except what he narrated after moving over to Iraq” (Tehzi’bu’l-tehzi’b, Ibn Hajar Al-`asqala’ni, Dar Ihya al-turath al-Islami, 15th century. Vol 11, p. 50).

It further states that Malik ibn Anas objected on those narratives of Hisham which were reported through people in Iraq: “I have been told that Malik objected on those narratives of Hisham which were reported through people of Iraq” (Tehzi’b u’l-tehzi’b, Ibn Hajar Al-`asqala’ni, Dar Ihya al-turath al-Islami, Vol.11, p. 50).

Mizanu’l-ai`tidal, another book on the life sketches of the narrators of the traditions of the Prophet reports: “When he was old, Hisham’s memory suffered quite badly” (Mizanu’l-ai`tidal, Al-Zahbi, Al-Maktabatu’l-athriyyah, Sheikhupura, Pakistan, Vol. 4, p. 301).

CONCLUSION: Based on these references, Hisham’s memory was failing and his narratives while in Iraq were unreliable. So, his narrative of Ayesha’s marriage and age are unreliable.

CHRONOLOGY: It is vital also to keep in mind some of the pertinent dates in the history of Islam:

pre-610 CE: Jahiliya (pre-Islamic age) before revelation
610 CE: First revelation
610 CE: AbuBakr accepts Islam
613 CE: Prophet Muhammad begins preaching publicly.
615 CE: Emigration to Abyssinia
616 CE: Umar bin al Khattab accepts Islam
620 CE: Generally accepted betrothal of Ayesha to the Prophet
622 CE: Hijrah (emigation to Yathrib, later renamed Medina)
623/624 CE: Generally accepted year of Ayesha living with the Prophet

EVIDENCE #2: According to Tabari:

ذلك الواقدي والكلبي قالوا وهي قتيلة ابنة عبدالعزى بن عبد بن أسعد بن جابر بن مالك بن حسل بن عامر بن لؤي فولدت له عبدالله وأسماء وتزوج أيضا في الجاهلية أم رومان بنت عامر بن عميرة بن ذهل بن دهمان بن الحارث بن غنم بن مالك بن كنانة وقال بعضهم هي أم رومان بنت عامر بن عويمر بن عبد شمس بن عتاب بن أذينة بن سبيع بن دهمان بن الحارث بن غنم بن مالك بن كنانة فولدت له عبدالرحمن وعائشة فكل هؤلاء الأربعة من أولاده ولدوا من زوجتيه اللتين سميناهما في الجاهلية

However, in another work, Al-Tabari says: “All four of his [Abu Bakr’s] children were born of his two wives during the pre-Islamic period” (Tarikhu’l-umam wa’l-mamlu’k, Al-Tabari (died 922), Vol. 2, p. 616, Arabic, Mausasth Ilmi, Beirut, 1979).

If Ayesha was betrothed in 620 CE (at the age of seven) and started to live with the Prophet in 624 CE (at the age of nine), that would indicate that she was born in 613 CE and was nine when she began living with the Prophet. Therefore, based on one account of Al-Tabari, the numbers show that Ayesha must have born in 613 CE, three years after the beginning of revelation (610 CE). Tabari also states that Ayesha was born in the pre-Islamic era (in Jahiliya). If she was born before 610 CE, she would have been at least 14 years old when she began living with the Prophet. Essentially, Tabari contradicts himself.

EVIDENCE #3 : Ayesha’s Age in relation to Asma’s Age

وهى أكبر من عائشة بعشر سنين.وماتت بمكة أن قتل ابنها بأقل من شهر. ولها العمر مائة سنة. وذلك سنة ثلاث و سبعين.

According to Abda’l-Rahman ibn abi zanna’d: “Asma was 10 years older than Ayesha (Siyar A`la’ma’l-nubala’, Al-Zahabi, Vol. 2, p. 289, Arabic, Mu’assasatu’l-risalah, Beirut, 1992).

According to Ibn Kathir: “She [Asma] was elder to her sister [Ayesha] by 10 years” (Al-Bidayah wa’l-nihayah, Ibn Kathir, Vol. 8, p. 371, Dar al-fikr al-`arabi, Al-jizah, 1933).

According to Ibn Kathir: “She [Asma] saw the killing of her son during that year [73 AH], as we have already mentioned, and five days later she herself died. According to other narratives, she died not after five days but 10 or 20, or a few days over 20, or 100 days later. The most well known narrative is that of 100 days later. At the time of her death, she was 100 years old.” (Al-Bidayah wa’l-nihayah, Ibn Kathir, Vol. 8, p. 372, Dar al-fikr al-`arabi, Al-jizah, 1933); Ibne Asakir vol69 Page 18; Alsunnan Alkubra Albehaqi Vol6 Page204

According to Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani: “She [Asma] lived a hundred years and died in 73 or 74 AH.” (Taqribu’l-tehzib, Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani, p. 654, Arabic, Bab fi’l-nisa’, al-harfu’l-alif, Lucknow).

According to almost all the historians, Asma, the elder sister of Ayesha was 10 years older than Ayesha. If Asma was 100 years old in 73 AH, she should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of the hijrah.

If Asma was 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah, Ayesha should have been 17 or 18 years old. Thus, Ayesha, being 17 or 18 years of at the time of Hijra, she started to cohabit with the Prophet between at either 19 to 20 years of age.

EVIDENCE #4: Surat al-Qamar (The Moon)

According to the generally accepted tradition, Ayesha was born about eight years before hijrah.

حدثنا إبراهيم بن موسى حدثنا هشام بن يوسف أن بن جريج أخبرهم قال أخبرني يوسف بن ماهك قال إني عند عائشة أم المؤمنين قالت لقد أنزل على محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم بمكة وإني لجارية ألعب { بل الساعة موعدهم والساعة أدهى وأمر }

But according to another narrative in Bukhari, Ayesha is reported to have said: “I was a young girl (jariyah in Arabic)” when Surah Al-Qamar was revealed (Sahih Bukhari, kitabu’l-tafsir, Bab Qaulihi Bal al-sa`atu Maw`iduhum wa’l-sa`atu adha’ wa amarr).

Chapter 54 of the Quran was revealed eight years before hijrah (The Bounteous Koran, M.M. Khatib, 1985), indicating that it was revealed in 614 CE. If Ayesha started living with the Prophet at the age of nine in 623 CE or 624 CE, she was a newborn infant (sibyah in Arabic) at the time that Surah Al-Qamar (The Moon) was revealed. According to the above tradition, Ayesha was actually a young girl, not an infant in the year of revelation of Al-Qamar. Jariyah means young playful girl (Lane’s Arabic English Lexicon). So, Ayesha, being a jariyah not a sibyah (infant), must be somewhere between 6-13 years old at the time of revelation of Al-Qamar, and therefore must have been 14-21 years at the time she married the Prophet.

CONCLUSION: This tradition also contradicts the marriage of Ayesha at the age of nine.

EVIDENCE #5: Arabic Terminology (The Bakra)

حدثنا عبد الله حدثني أبي ثنا محمد بن بشر قال حدثنا محمد بن عمرو قال ثنا أبو سلمة ويحيى قالا لما هلكت خديجة جاءت خولة بنت حكيم امرأة عثمان بن مظعون قالت يا رسول الله ألا تزوج قال من قالت إن شئت بكرا وإن شئت ثيبا قال فمن البكر قالت ابنة أحب خلق الله عز وجل إليك عائشة بنت أبي بكر

According to a narrative reported by Ahmad ibn Hanbal, after the death of the Prophet’s first wife Khadijah, when Khaulah came to the Prophet advising him to marry again, the Prophet asked her regarding the choices she had in mind. Khaulah said: “You can marry a virgin (bikr) or a woman who has already been married (thayyib)”. When the Prophet asked the identity of the bikr (virgin), Khaulah mentioned Ayesha’s name.

All those who know the Arabic language are aware that the word bikr in the Arabic language is not used for an immature nine-year-old girl. The correct word for a young playful girl, as stated earlier, is jariyah. Bikr on the other hand, is used for an unmarried lady without conjugal experience prior to marriage, as we understand the word “virgin” in English. Therefore, obviously a nine-year-old girl is not a “lady” (bikr) (Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal, Vol. 6, p. .210, Arabic, Dar Ihya al-turath al-`arabi, Beirut).

CONCLUSION: The literal meaning of the word, bikr (virgin), in the above hadith is “adult woman with no sexual experience prior to marriage.” Therefore, Ayesha was an adult woman at the time of her marriage.

SUMMARY:
The narrative of the marriage of nine-year-old Ayesha by Hisham ibn `Urwah cannot be held true when it is contradicted by many other reported narratives. Moreover, there is absolutely no reason to accept the narrative of Hisham ibn `Urwah as true when other scholars, including Malik ibn Anas, view his narrative while in Iraq, as unreliable. Thus, the narrative of Ayesha’s age at the time of the marriage is not reliable due to the clear contradictions seen in the works of classical scholars of Islam.

The above proves 100% that aeysha was not 6 or 9 or 4 when she got married it is a as myth. She was at least 17, Moreover, the Quran rejects the marriage of immature girls and boys as well as entrusting them with responsibilities

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God bless America, we are not interested in that failed arab crap.

Shame on you

Shame on you. How dare you invoke the name of God to insult another child of God?!

As for "God bless America", I say "God bless the whole world." America is not special and God does not love it anymore than any other nation.

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