Think about it.
Concealed carriers take the time to take the course which shows they are respsonsible. Actually the course teachs....when not and how not to use a weapon. Concealed carriers...are not the problem. Enlighten ones self by consideration of the aforementioned. Don't get carried away by all the hype. Pro or Con. Live Long and Prosper
It isn't cheap either to get the permit. The class is most thorough and the background check for the actual issuance of the permit is more thorough than the one to purchase the actual gun. I would rather be armed on a campus when crazies come on there to do harm to others so as to protect myself and others as well.
Why would anyone vote no? Voting no you would be saying "lets only let the bad guys have the guns"
I VOTED NO. I,M TOO OLD TO GO NOW, BUT IF I WEREN'T, I WOULDN'T GO TO A SCHOOL THAT ALLOWED WEAPONS ON CAMPUS. THE BAD GUYS AREN'T SUPPOSED TO HAVE GUNS EITHER. EVEN THE SUPPOSEDLY RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE SHOOT AND KILL. LOOK AT ALL THE KILLINGS AT THE UNIVERSITIES. THEY ARE ALWAYS POLITE, QUIET PEOPLE THAT WOULDN'T HARM A FLY. (YEAH)
I voted no because bringing guns everywhere is ridiculous and sane people do not wish to go back to the 1870's.
The Wild, Wild West where everyone carried a gun. It's been glorified in westerns for years. That's because it was so easy to write about because so many people got killed. Bad guys, good guys; they all wound up on Boot Hill.
ChefnSurf, don't let facts cloud your judgment. The "Wild West" has been documented as more safe than modern day cities with onerous gun control laws. You would be better off in Dodge City than Chicago.
Just because you get a carry permit doesn't mean you will be "safe" with a gun. I know a man who got a permit to carry and he turned out to be a criminal NUT JOB and lost his permit. You can't predict with any certainty that someone would never misuse a gun. No one can say that. Every time something major happens involving a weapon everyone is just SHOCKED that that person would do such a thing. We don't need any 'possibilities' walking around a campus. We have had enough of that in this country.
Haven’t you noticed the one consistent item in these stories is that they take place on Gun-Free ground?
Descent people are obeying the law, and the creeps Government can’t control are not obeying they law. They have the upper hand. Time to even things up.
If shooting started, you would be the first to run behind someone with a gun or call someone else that has one, like the cops.
"NUT JOB" "lost his permit". Rightfully so.
"We don't need any 'possibilities' walking around a campus".
Just criminals looking to prey on the unarmed, right?
Scenario: Someone is shooting on campus. Everyone that has a gun legally or not pulls out their gun. They start shooting. But who is the bad guy. No one knows. Cause the all have a gun. At that point maybe the the real bad guy might have been shot but so was (maybe) innocent people.
You must be an english teacher. You have broken down my sentences, outlined and repeated. But you didn't comprehend what I was saying. The question was should people with permits be allowed to carry weapons on a campus and the answer is noooo. If help is needed you are supposed to call police. They are trained in how to handle these types of situations. How many students at UNCW have been through law enforcement training? It would wind up being the wild west with cowboys and indians on the campus and ammo going in every direction.
...the Police are just minutes away. I comprehend exactly what YOU where saying.
I would rather there be a gun fight than no fight at all where only the criminals have a gun and no law enforcement training either.
The Cowboys slaughtered my people with guns while we had only primitive hunting tools. When we finally got guns and started shooting back and defending ourselves and our land, the Cowboys weren't so eager to attack us then.
1st off, when seconds count the police are minutes away. You really think when a girl is getting raped the attacker is going to stop just so she can call the campus police?
As for the wild wild west scenario you point out, its simply not true. Over the past 10 - 15 years almost every single state has relaxed their concealed carry laws and more and more people are carrying everyday. The simple fact is that none of those states have turned into the wild wild west type of shootouts, even after many cry's that it would happen by law makers who don't support the 2A. Gun ownership is steadily rising, more and more guns are being sold everyday, but yet gun violence statistics are going down. The cause and effect can be debated but the myth that more guns = more violence has been debunked.
Trust me, some law that says you can't carry on campus isn't going to stop a criminal who is breaking a multitude of other laws from even giving it a second thought of break another law. As a matter of fact it only empowers them because they know there a very good chance their victim will be unarmed. These feel good laws are only hurting innocent law abiding citizens.
"You really think when a girl is getting raped the attacker is going to stop just so she can call the campus police?"
OK quick - how many girls going to UNCW are over 21?
How many are out of state residents?
How many could pass the background check?
No one under 21 can get a CWP - you have to be a RESIDENT for at least 30 days prior, and you have to pass the background check.
Take out all those groups and what have you got left?
a very small group of women.
Who gets raped on college campus? The students or the older women working there?
Those who CAN'T get a CWP.
Stop with the nonsense - this law pertains to very VERY few students and it won't stop student rapes ! Those girls will have to STOP and call the campus cops.
Sorry...........you chose this road to go down, not me.
The General Assembly does not care about student rapes on college campuses, and this particular law won't protect all students. it is geared toward employees mostly.
Its just not girls getting raped on college, and why discount the employee's? Most college seniors are hitting 21 before graduating, so that is a good chunk of #'s right there. How many people over the age of 21 are employees and students at UNCW? What about all the other campus's around the state that this would affect as well?
Maybe its just not about carrying on campus, how about those students who don't live on campus that have to walk home through bad sections of town. Or how about all the adults who take late night classes that don't get out until its dark out. You know walking through a parking deck at night can be one of the most dangerous places to be.
For everyone else reading, just remember that over the past 20 years we have gone from 16 states shall issue concealed carry permits to over 43 states now. Almost every single state had those blood on the streets and wild wild west predictions, NONE of it came to fruition. Violent crime stats in almost all area's have been on a steady steep decline over that same time period. Its also ironic that the area's with the highest violence crime rates have the strictest gun laws....Chicago, Baltimore, Newark.......
Face it, allowing carrying on campus by qualified people will prevent far more crime than it creates.
"how about those students who don't live on campus that have to walk home through bad sections of town."
They wouldn't be able to carry !!!! Why? Because the proposed legislation is STUPID. It ONLY allows for guns on campus SECURED in their vehicle !!! They CANNOT carry on their person. So that person walking home though the bad section of town is unprotected if he's walking.
"Or how about all the adults who take late night classes that don't get out until its dark out'
Same thing. No protection afforded UNTIL they get into their vehicle!
"You know walking through a parking deck at night can be one of the most dangerous places to be."
I think they now have a parking deck at UNCW but again they can't carry walking away from, or to, their car.
" Violent crime stats in almost all area's have been on a steady steep decline over that same time period."
Very true - and its also true that spending on Law Enofrcement over that same period of time tripled or quadrupled in most states. So what exactly caused the decrease in crime Jim? Increased private ownership of guns? Or increased law enforcement presence?
Stop GLORIFYING "the gun" especially as it pertains to THIS proposed law.
In THIS case allowing for conceal carry on campus will make the problem WORSE, and will afford NO increase in safety to those law abiding CWP holders walking to their car.
This law is tragically flawed and law abiding gun owners and CWP holders should be telling their Reps to NOT support it because it affords no protection to them - but by supporting this it proves that its all about the gun and the gun only - not increased personal safety.
Let them carry or keep things the way they are.
You are correct but they can't carry
They can only store
In their cars where the BIG crime is vehicle break in.
Makes no sense.
As for senior girls?
When you take out the non NC residents its very few and I don't discount the working women there its just that campus rape seems to happen to students almost in exclusion of everyone else. And the time of the rapes are at night when workers are generally home.
All other crime is burglary related(mostly of cars)
This law is flawed.
We will be CREATING a bunch of non licensed, untrained, weapons "possessors"
There is no reason to allow Concealed carry on the campus.
Again you are confusing our local colleges only. I would bet by a far and wide margin overall, out of state students make up only a small percentage of the overall college population throughout the state. Even if everyone of them was from out of state it doesn't matter, NC law recognizes all out of state carry permits. So if the student had a permit from their home state its just as valid here in NC as it is in their home state.
The law they may be referencing in the poll only allows storage, the actual question posed on the poll is very broad.
I can even agree with you that leaving guns in cars might not be such a good idea. However I will never agree that someone who legally owns a firearm shouldn't be allowed to carry that firearm on a campus, or pretty much any other place.
Again you keep bringing up these untrained, unlicensed possessors. Go look at the federal crime statistics and do some research on how the increasing numbers of people who are "untrained" are carrying more and more everyday, but there have been very few incidents of questionable behavior. I can't seem to recall one instance where an innocent bystander was hit in the cross fire from a CCW holder defending themselves. The data over the past 20 years just don't support any of the wild wild west scenario's. The wild wild west argument is all emotion and fear without any substantial reasoning to back it up.
The number of students in UNC universities is capped at 18% and they are going to raise that in order to charge more students out of state tuition to get additional revenues.
20% or one in 5 students.
And I agree that the ONLY safe thing to do is CARRY - not leave it in the car as this proposed law would require.
"I can't seem to recall one instance where an innocent bystander was hit in the cross fire from a CCW holder defending themselves."
Not the point, and you know it.
We are putting guns in cars where they are more likely to be stolen by untrained, unlicensed college students who are NOT CWP holders.
I have no problem with the CWP holders - we as a group very seldom have to even draw our weapons.
But I'm NOT talking the CWP people. I'm talking about that college kid who breaks into a car and comes upon a gun stored there legally by a CWP holder. HE'S the one we have to worry about. HE'S the one that twill mis-use it.
If violent crime is NOT an issue on college campuses, and it appears as though it's not, why allow them on campus? Where would a CWP holder in a dorm room store his/her weapon without allowing other students access?
I'm all for good quality gun rights that protect the law abiding citizen.
This law will PROMOTE the unlawful possession of weapons through criminal activity and not provide ANY protections to the CWP holder while out of their cars.
It's bad gun legislation. I'd rather see a CWP holder be allowed to carry so they don't leave their weapons in a car. This law does not allow that.
Even well intended guns laws can be bad....and this one is.
Well said, as usual.
More people own guns..........correct?
More people have concealed carry permits...........correct?
You can now carry on Amtrak..........correct?
You can now carry in National Parks..........correct?
I suppose it's now time bury - once and for all- the canard that President Obama has been a bad president regarding restricting gun ownership?
As far as CWP guns on campus are concerned?
There is apparently no need for them based upon crime statistics is there?
If anyone would read the bill it says that the firearm must be locked up in the trunk or similar secure area of the vehicle. They are not talking about wearing one on your hip. If everyone that is not a gun owner would realize we legal owners are not the bad guys it would go a long way in understanding each others point of view. If you do not wish to own one, That is your right as a citizen the same as it is mine to own one or several for that matter. I think that folks should look at the entire debate in a complete overview and make a rational decision based on facts and not factoids.
This has all come about by not enforcing the laws already on the books
Will more laws be enforced? Or is this just a sound bite to get your vote?
Guns do not kill people ,people kill people, before there were guns the human race was quite proficient at killing each other by any means possible And still will be able to if we melted every fire arm down in the world. It is the bad,crazy criminal element that we are trying to protect ourselves from.They have already proven themselves to be killers and they are not going to go away. No matter how many laws are written Please remember criminals do not care if they break the law that is why they are called criminals.