Agreed--the amount of jobs it will provide is fairly few, especially when you consider the environmental cost. The jobs argument for Titan is simply not substantial. There must be better ways to improve our employment situation....if we could spend less energy having to fight this mess from fruition, would could probably use that energy to support something better!
NO WAY to TITAN!!
No Way Titan!! Let's all just eat poison and get it over with!
How a company can claim to be environmentally responsible yet fight against the new EPA standard for mercury, indicates hypocrisy. Why would they turn down millions of dollars from the county in order to avoid an environmental impact study? Are they concerned that the results of the EIS would indicate unacceptable environmental impacts of a cement plant located on an already environmentally-impacted site? What this cement company says and does are two different things. They have lost my trust. Whatever they say about promised jobs, the impacts of truck loads of product going to the port, whether their cement will primarily be for export, etc., probably can not be trusted.
Others have made a good point about how this poll was designed. The question should be something like: "Are you in favor of the Titan proposal or are you not?" We need the jobs but I do not believe Titan's interests have anything to do with providing jobs.
Values vs. Value. I think most residents of this area are here because of the ocean and waterways. What payout justifies the compromise of these priceless assets. A couple of jobs and a few tax dollars are not going to provide enough incentive for me to give up what I love most about my home. NO TITAN.
I only wish the media as a group would lift the lid on this story so that the full truth be told about how Titan has PAVED the way into our area with money. This is not about the only 160 or so jobs expected to be created. There has got to be more behind the decision to condemn Northern New Hanover County and Southern Pender County to become a "Cancer Corridor". The good ol' boy network of Wilmington has sold us all down the river and they act like they themselves will be unaffected..seems too easy and some huge ($$$$) part of this story is missing. The Air Quality Division testing area did NOT include the 421 Industrial Corridor. This State Agency selectively placed their testing sniffers only in the Holly Shelter Rd. Corridor. This would easily have provided a tilted result regarding the current New Hanover County combined output of pollutants. The Air Quality Division ONLY TESTED for SULPHUR DIOXIDE. This was a token test and they gave out a REAL permit to a plant that will spew MERCURY among other pollutants! We the people are just in the way. Titan has NO interest in the well being of our community. Bill Odom is a far more than a Carpet Bagger. The New Hanover County Commissioners who begged the EPA to let New Hanover County squeak past the status of already-too-polluted-for-more-industry with the promise of modifying the Sutton Plant with the delivery beyond the EPA status-setting deadline again PAVED the way for Titan to set up their “shop of horrors” for real. Maybe the Chamber of Commerce should start designing the new “Chernobyl-by-the-Sea” brochures touting cheap real estate, bustling hospitals and plenty of room for cemeteries in Northern New Hanover County because there wont be any housing, businesses or schools getting built anywhere near it. Once again folks...FOLLOW THE MONEY
The WECT "report" which was actually advocacy for Titan:
failed to talk to pediatricians, obstetricians and school health officials in Roanoke, even though they knew that over 200 of New Hanover County vicinity doctors and medical professionals oppose the Titan project because of the danger it poses, particularly to children, expectant mothers, the elderly and people with compromised immune systems.
failed to point out that the Greek cement plant in Roanoke is in a dry, hilly area with NO wetlands and NO real rivers and has resulted in the destruction of ONE hill, while the New Hanover county location for the Greek cement strip mine and furnace will permanently destroy thousands of acres of wetlands, through blasting, strip mining, and toxic emissions; is just a few feet away from the NE Cape Fear river which, through normal tidal action - twice a day - exchanges water with tens of thousands of acres and the Cape Fear river, the Black river, the Brunswick river, the InterCoastal waterway and our beaches! A huge difference they totally ignored.
failed to grant anonymity to Roanoke residents, and spoke only with officials of this foreign corporation and people who directly benefited from its activities.
failed to have a fish dinner from the little fishies in Titan's public relations pool, stocked with starving trout so they could put on a show for the gullible media. I challenge WECT to have a fish dinner from the catfish that live at the bottom of this pond.
failed totally to analyze the job situation. Now that Titan has refused the $4.5 million from the County and the State (to avoid local review under SEPA), it is no longer required to hire locals. WECT failed to ask for a complete, detailed list of all 161 jobs, showing the job title, requirements to qualify for each position, the salary/wage associated with each position, exactly how many will be local (within say 30 miles) hires; how may have already been promised to its Virginia and Florida employees as those plants become unprofitable; how many jobs are promised to those who have helped or will help them in the permitting process; how many have been promised to work visa (green carded) Greeks and other foreigners, etc.
failed to consider the devastating consequences to the Castle Hayne aquifer, as this foreign corporation blasts down 70 feet, right on top of it, and drains it for use as process water. This corporation has been sued for benzene in potable water at least at one of its other locations.
failed to consider the impact of blasting and strip mining just a few feet from Elementis Chromium's huge mercury retention pond. Cracks in the limestone, and calcareous materials could easily provide pathways to the river and the aquifer. Elementis is another foreign corporation that dumps hundreds of thousands of pounds of pollutants into the NE Cape Fear river.
Are a couple of janitor, clerk, truckdriver, yardman jobs worth sacrificing this natural heritage FOREVER?
Titan cannot provide adequate assurance of their plans to protect environment and the governments seem to want the tax base due to our economy. There is also the issue of low penalty for huge corporations who polute since they are stuffing the coffers of tax revenue. Where is the real incentive for any foreign or local company to really protect the environment? Their jobs cannot ever justify making our air too full of toxic fumes. Never mind what they do to the waterways. We eat the polluted fish or not, but we have no choice with air. Our youngest and our oldest will be affected. Once the emissions are out, we ALL will be breathing them. Promises are vain assurance from Titan and those companies like them. Look at it historically; just doesnt work. Stay away Titan, go home to Greece.
Over 200 LOCAL Doctors and Medical professionals who oppose Titan or a few gutless bureaucrats who refuse to protect our children, environment and our legacy?
A foreign corporation - Titan - to honestly inspect itself and report on itself when it has been found to have incorrect or missing records of past inspections at its other plants?
WECT's highly biased (advocacy) report on the Titan Roanoke plant, or the history of cement plants and foreign corporations? WECT failed to talk to any Roanoke pediatricians, obstetricians, and school health officials; failed to grant anonymity to people it questioned (in a one industry town) but featured company officials and people who benefited from the plant (to the detriment of others); failed to make a comparison of the dry, isolated locale in Roanoke, and the wet (thousands of acres of wetlands - 4 rivers - the Intracoastal Waterway - beaches) highly populated proposed location in New Hanover County? Failed to eat any of the cute little fishies in the Titan's public relations pond; failed to pin down Titan on the 161 "high paying jobs" now that it now longer is required to hire locals because it turned down the $4.5 million it was promised if it would hire 161 locals. Etc, ad infinitum et nauseum. That so called report just plain stunk!
Instead of the fight against Titan being solely about our fragile ecosystem (which is of course fragile, being composed of highly bio-diverse wetlands), citizens ought to look at the community needs with an interdisciplinary perspective. How can the entire area people make an economy effective while preserving environmental integrity?
I think the answer is resilience through localizing. We can reinstate community interaction by producing and spending locally - less production of commodity that is to be exported for other regions and/or nations. There would be little economic return to New Hanover County residents when so much of the Titan's profit will go straight to corporate headquarters.
So instead providing jobs through Titan's cement corporation, New Hanover County needs to implement policy and investments in sustainable initiatives - to ensure not only environmental, but also equitable and economical viability. Maybe investing time and funds into improved city planning--the efforts spent on the great Titan debate and applying it to community "charettes" to see specifically what residents want and need--would bring economic prosperity to our home. Planning could incorporate WALK-ABILITY and BIKE-ABILITY, and maybe one day we would have less paved, impermeable infrastructure, reducing the need for, yet again, one more cement-producing plant.
Improving presence and quality of life in town will reinstate the resident's passion for the area they call home, finding identity once again in the characteristics of the Cape Fear. A cement plant could be placed anywhere - why should it become our identity?
I am away from home, attending Appalachian State University, but as I receive the periodic (but recently more frequent) Titan updates, I have the wish that any citizen would begin/continue attending city/town council meetings for their voice to be heard, representing their neighborhood or community partnerships. I have the hope that Wilmington, Castle Hayne, Burgaw, WB, CB, Southport, and every region's residents will fight for resilience thinking. If YOU will do this, I will uphold my end, making sure that the people I meet on daily basis from the Cape Fear River Basin know what Titan is and where they are trying to move.
Great suggestions Jamie. Unfortunately, Titan Cement is doing everything it can to STOP the good folks of the Cape Fear region from having their voices heard by attempting to intimidate and silence the citizens. Their lawsuit against two individuals for doing just what you suggested (attending council meetings and speaking out) has forced these two to defend that right in a long, ongoing court battle. Titan's bullying tactics and behind the scenes shenanigans must make us all ask, if this corporation will do these kinds of things while they still need the community's support, what kind of neighbor will they be when they are up and running and no longer care what we say or think.....
I believe our community needs clean companies that will not damage our fragile ecosystem. We must be good stewards of our environment for future generations. Yes we need to provide more jobs but let's be smart about how and why we seek corporations to partner with. This is not the right fit. We can do much better.
One issue that has not been brought up much is the possibility that titan could use this facility as a toxic waste incinerator. The plant in Florida is operating at approx. 35% because demand is low for concrete at this time. This is titan's report, not a guess by me. I do not know what the future demand will be, but if demand is not enough to cover costs and show a profit, what then? Then you look to other ways to become profitable. This is just smart business. I have asked this question on public forums. I have asked this question of Bob Odom. I have asked this question of the Governor. I have not received one single reply from anyone. This has been a big issue from the start. Titan refuses to answer any questions, ever. Back to the toxic waste. I am not concerned about the incineration of the toxic waste, I am concerned about the storage this close to the river and the transportation of it to the site. A major hurricane hits this area, stored toxic waste would be a big issue. Anyone believe we will never have another hurricane? If so, remove your head from your lower extremities and face reality. Nothing has been covered about how much of this waste could be stored at the site and what the requirements of the storage containers would be. The next big issue for me is the transportation of the toxic waste. Anyone truly believe there will never or has never been an accident on the roadways involving toxic waste? I do not want this traveling through my community. Titan could end this particular conversation by going on public record with an answer, yes or no.
The overall issue is this. People have concerns. People have questions. Titan refuses to address any of the concerns or questions. If they refuse to answer the concerns or questions now, can you really think they will if they are allowed to build and operate this plant? For everyone talking about jobs, please ask them how many jobs will be offered to people that live here right now that are not already hired by them. Ask them what the job requirements are. Ask them to break it down into the different crafts by qualification and what the pay scales will be. Then you will have information instead of speculation to base your opinion as to whether this proposed plant with all of its downside is a good fit for this community. You will also know if these are “good paying” jobs. You might want to consider that these jobs are at least 4 years away.
Titan will add pollution to an already polluted area and river. The amount can be argued about, but they will add more. We need to start the cleaning process, not continue to add to the pollution. The Governor sold out. Division of Air Quality sold out. They both have joined titan's code of silence. All the bitching, name calling, finger pointing, does not, and will not change this: The people that live in this community have the right to have their questions answered by a company that wants to set up shop in their neighborhood, and questions answered by their elected officials. Transparency, truth and communication might change peoples minds. Failure to do this proves to me that titan is afraid for the public to know the truth. I can not ever remember such arrogance shown by a company. This might be how they do it in Greece, but not here.
moves out of GE daily and is stored there as well..go shut it down. Sunny Point stores ammo..go shut it down. Waste leaves the Nucelar plant in Southport...go shut it down. Chemicals are stored on River Road and Front street down by the river..go shut them down. I lived at Castle Hayne for years and even hauled cement out of the plant and I'm OK...Go find a tree to hug and leave business alone that's what is wrong with America now TREE HUGGERS..That's why we can't even pump the vast oil reserves we have here..
Thank goodness for the TREE HUGGERS! Without them, large industrial corporations would only hasten the destruction of our plannet. everyone should stop being selfish and start thinking about what you want to leave behind for your grand children and great grandchildren.
Oh, that's a roaring endorsement as to why we should accept Titan...so that it can add to the already toxic waste we have from GE, Sunny Point, Southport, etc., etc. Gee, let me stop all my objections to Titan right now because your argument is so convincing....NOT.
AMEN, Rick Wilson! AMEN!!!
A simple truth: NOTHING else will matter when we no longer have the clean air and water we need to sustain us ---- it simply will not matter whether or not we have a job, or a house in foreclosure, or who's on Forbes' list, or if Iran has a nuclear missile or even who won on American Idol......Our area is already the worst (unhealthiest air) in the State, one of the worst in the USA --- We must work to reduce, not increase, our pollution.
There is no way that another highly toxic plant is going to improve the quality of this community. There are many ways to get more jobs here! And none of them involve poisoning my children. Seriously, this is a disgrace. I hope the poiliticians realize that this is a nationally watched issue and they will be in the spotlight for years to come for BLATANTLY ADDING POISON TO THE AIR THAT WE BREATHE. I am so upset about this, I cannot even get my thoughts together right now. Just know that people will be held accountable and will be hearing from "we the people" who will be hurt by this. You cannot deny the science that we are already the second most toxic county in the state - and NC is already the 10th most toxic state in the country!!! Please help stop this insanity.
enlighten us as to your plan to get other industry here, you say it can be done. If I was that upset I'd move to Utah or Wyoming...
This poll wrongly frames the issue of one of jobs vs. the environment.
As I understand it, this plant would probably chase away more permanent jobs than it created.
And if people have more health problems because of Titan, that will hurt the whole economy of the area.
If the question were framed in a more neutral, accurate manner, responses would likely be even more against this Greek-owned company.
of the yankees will leave, that's a positive.
ILM, just curious. Who do you disdain more, northerners or police officers?
As with so many other things the risk (major negative air and water quality impacts to name just two) greatly outweighs the reward. Other than the creation of a relatively small number of jobs, I see no other reward at all. The environmental impacts would potentially put at least that many out of a job! No thanks, Titan!!
200 temporary jobs and 63 permanent positions are not worth the tremendous negative health impacts, as well as negative industrial impacts (tourism, fishing, filmmaking, etc). I've lived here my whole life and I don't want Titan cement here.
Consider: health impacts to human beings from emissions from the coal-burning plant.
Consider: impacts to tourism industry. Who wants to come to a place with an ugly skyline and pollution-filled air?
Consider: living near a heavy industry that creates trucking traffic, loud noise, and bright lights at night
Consider: loss of income to fishing industry when fish are unhealthy and inedible from absorbing heavy metals from polluted water
Consider: how would you react if you turned on your faucet and no water came out - because your aquifer ran dry from an industry pumping the water out for its own benefit
Consider the many ways that the proposed cement plant might impact YOU and your neighbors.
Air Quality is just the tip of this Titan iceberg. They have already stated their intention of draining the Castle Hayne aquifer, and the amounts of water are in the multiple millions of Gallons each day! This will enhance their ability to stripmine.
I have news for you, stripmines take whatever they want, and they want the limestone under YOUR property. YOU do NOT own the minerals under your land. They are for sale to the highest bidder by the Federal Govt, dept of interior.
The owners of Mineral rights only have to give you minimum notice that they are mining YOUR property and that you have to go! Go look at eastern Ohio, eastern Kentucky, and West Virginia if you want to see t miles and miles of stripmine destruction.
And where does the water they pumped go? For processing and washing the limestone and debris of manufacturing cement. Then the dirty water goes in the Cape Fear river. JUST ABOVE the inlets for our new Federally mandated,multi-billion dollar water processing plants for Pender, and New Hanover County. How is that for planning ahead! Thanks a lot NC state government!
Enough already with the flawed polling. Yes, I want jobs vs. the environment??? Really? This type of flawed polling just perpetuates the misinformation that jobs vs. the environment is the basis for the Titan conflict. Report on UNCW's recently completed analysis of the Titan project on the regional economy; report on the recently completed independent health risk assessment of the Titan project. At the very least, conduct a non-biased, meaningful poll tht frames the real issues.
Amazing that the town is seriously considering a smoking ban in the parks of the area and not making a STINK about Titan's air quality degrade to our environment....AMAZING
Nothing is said that we used to have a cement plant here already. I am 62 and grew up with one here and I suffer from no ill effects and lived less than 5 miles away.
The world is growing and demand is high. I would question how this operation would compare to the one of the past. It appears that this will be a lot larger and our coastal environment is already struggling with the area's growth.