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Protesters gather for Iraq War anniversary

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WILMINGTON -- "End the war." That's the message protesters silently displayed to drivers. 2008 marks five years since the beginning of the war in Iraq. Lynn Heritage of Grandmothers For Peace is ready for the troops to come home. She remembers the negative effects war had on her as a little girl. "One of my early childhood memories was being awakened at night by my father screaming from the memories he had from the Korean war, and I've carried that with me, and personally I don't want that to happen to any children, for their dad or their mom to scream from the terrors that they encountered from the war," she said. Some believe the protesters are being un-patriotic and un-supportive of U.S. troops, but protesters argue that the numbers speak for themselves. Nearly 4,000 soldiers have died since 2003. Billions of dollars are being spent to keep the war going -- a sign to Lynn, that the mission has failed. "The best support we can give them is to bring them home and get them out of harms way and get them back with they're family's where they belong," Heritage said. That won't happen anytime soon. President Bush has vowed to veto any bill with a timeline for a troop withdrawal. So it'll be up to the next Commander in Chief to decide whether to pull out of Iraq, or stay put.

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just one comment; every

just one comment; every soldier over there volunteered, as did the ones who were killed over there. the ones who signed up after we went into Iraq knew where they were gonna go, and the ones that were in the military before the war should have been aware of the possibility of going to war. yes they are parents and children, but they are also all adults who made an adult decision. yall dont have to protect them, they can handle that themselves.

$ for War

All people talk about is the money we are spending on the war. I am from a military family and am currently serving and what people do not understand is those figures include the soliers/sailors/airmen/marine salaries which would be paid no matter if we were in war or not. We would still be training and flying and doing everything else, using the same amount if not more fuel and resources than we currently are. People need to look at the entire picture and not pick and choose what they want to report/comment on because that is what suits them. No one likes war but we should support the men and women that are fighting for people to have the right to protest!

Support the protesters!

Hooray for the protesters!!! You have my full support! We need brave people like you so that we are reminded of the atrocities that continue to go on in this world. Our family members are dying in Iraq with even more suffering from serious injuries. To those that say that not many have died, then I ask you to think about saying that to a child who just lost his/her parent or to a mother who just lost their child. How would you feel if you lost the person you most cared about and then someone cold heartedly said that it hasn't been that many. I'm sure you would feel otherwise. Every life is important. Every life has an impact. Everyone is loved by someone. To say that any number of deaths aren't that much, just shows that you are completely lacking compassion and are extremely self-centered and small-minded. Additionally, I have only see positive signs out there, so I don't know why anyone would make such a ridiculous claim in the contrary. Those people are patriotic Americans and should be proud of what they are doing. They are in favor of peace and saving the lives of our loved ones! To twist & turn their message any other way just shows me that you aren't paying attention to what they have to say. For the person who was complaining about being stuck in traffic, give me a break!!! These people stood at that intersection among the car fumes for hours just to acknowledge our troops service and this war, which most people just conveniently forget about. If this was inconvenient for you, then too bad! You have a home that you don't worry about being blown up. You have a family that you know is safe. So if you had to be stuck in traffic for a few extra minutes because conscientious Americans were showing respect to this country and our citizens, then too bad. There's a much bigger picture here then your little traffic problem. Once again, to the picketers, I commend you on your perseverance, bravery, and patriotism. Peace!!!

Thanks for that view, Barney!

"Every life is important. Every life has an impact. Everyone is loved by someone." Unfortunately, it has nothing to do with the sacrifices a nation must pay to preserve it's strategic interests and way of life. Stick to flower arranging and interior decorating. You obviously don't have the backbone for the hard, tough choices required by national leadership.

Protesting during rush hour

Did they really need to do this at College and Oleander during 5 o'clock traffic? Took me 45 minutes to get home. I understand they oppose the war and right to protest blah blah, but seriously, not at the busiest intersection in Wilmington. I highly doubt they'll bring the troops home because these 20 people picketed on the 5th anniversary of the war...not even near a government building...go to Raleigh.

busiest intersection makes sense!!!

I think they picked the perfect spot! The busiest intersection of Wilmington seems like to best place to get your message out!! You must be a genius!!

Sorry

Sorry it took you so long to get home. But there are almost 4,000 service people who will never have the chance to come home again. THIS is why it took you so long. You should be praising the people. Hope you have a pleasant evening. Remember the 4,000 when you are inconvenienced again.

Do you really think these

Do you really think these protesters will have any enfluence on what happens with this war? If so, you are truly delusional. They have the freedom to protest this war and the right to protest it anywhere they want, but what they want doesn't make a difference and won't change a thing

Near 4,000 in 5 years...

Taking into consideration the whole concept of war, less than 1,000 American deaths per year isn't too bad when you look at the number of American deaths in any other war. Do not get me wrong, a soldier dying is not OK with me but I know it is a cost of war. Yes post traumatic stress impacts a lot of lives, but those stresses can come from things other than combat. It is terrible that children have to see mom or dad go through those "flashbacks" or, even worse, they are abused during those episodes. But there are many more alcoholics and drug abusers that put their kids through the same things that have never seen war! I don't get these protestors. They think they're right or justified in what they do. Don't protest the war. It makes it seem like you are against the troops. Instead of holding a sign that reads something derogative, try holding one that shows them we love 'em!

Re: Near 4,000 in 5 years...

You said:" Taking into consideration the whole concept of war, less than 1,000 American deaths per year isn't too bad when you look at the number of American deaths in any other war. Do not get me wrong, a soldier dying is not OK with me but I know it is a cost of war." But wars like this one don't have to happen. One death is tragic in these circumstances. And what about the 500,000-1,000,000 Iraqi civilian deaths during that same period of time? You said: "I don't get these protestors. They think they're right or justified in what they do. Don't protest the war. It makes it seem like you are against the troops. Instead of holding a sign that reads something derogative, try holding one that shows them we love 'em!" What derogatory comments did you see on the signs? "End the War," "Peace Now," "Five Years too Many," etc. What's derogatory about that? This is how well the media has done their job: people automatically think "support the troops" means the same as "support the war". Wars aren't about winning or losing. Everyone loses in war, even the "winners". It is our duty in a democracy to protest when our government isn't acting in our best interests.

Everyone forgets....

Everyone forgets that all of our political figures agreed on and were convinced that Saddam had WMD's and would use them. They turned coat on our Commander in Chief when they weren't found....cowards. Everyone forgets that Saddam was a very dangerous person that committed genocide on his own people amd suppressed the rest. Everyone forgets that Clinton had the perfect opportunity to shut that bastard down years before and wimped out with his "surgical strikes". All he did was tick them off. Everone forgets that Clinton had the perfect opportunity to eradicate Osama Bin Laden, he was too busy seasoning his cigars and redefining what the word "sex" meant. Clinton allowed 911 to occur by his lack of appropriate action. Everyone forgets that those troops are over there in the best interest of United States of America and our freedom. The freedoms we have to write here and the right of our media to critcize and belittle what America is trying to defend and protect. This makes me totally sick! Based on the conversations I have with servicemen, what the media prints is completely slanted and inaccurate. I rode by one of the public protests on College Rd. and witnessed a protester with a sign that read, "TERRORISTS ARE HUMANS TOO!" This is some more mentality to deal with and proves that those people haven't enough sense to even protest intelligently or effectively. I'm sure as hell glad they didn't make it into our military system!!! I was 43 years old when 911 happened. I left work early that day to go to the recruiters station, ready to go and fight, I believed in that. I would rather be totally alone than to have these ignorant cowards people beside me!

Re: Everyone forgets...

You said: "Everyone forgets that all of our political figures agreed on and were convinced that Saddam had WMD's and would use them. They turned coat on our Commander in Chief when they weren't found....cowards." And they are all equally responsible for this. However, the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 passed in the House by a vote of 296-133 and in the Senate by a vote of 77-23, so it's hardly accurate to say that "all of our political figures...were convinced that Saddam had WMD's." I, for one, wasn't fooled. There were plenty of commentators and journalists who actually did the work of investigating and knew that this whole WMD story was baloney. You said: "Everyone forgets that Saddam was a very dangerous person that committed genocide on his own people and suppressed the rest." Who was supplying him with weapons when he was engaged in that long, brutal war with Iran? Hint: The United States and Europe. The US looked the other way when Saddam was an ally. Besides, is it the responsibility of the United States to overthrow every dictator? Do other democracies have that right/responsibility? You said: "Everyone forgets that Clinton had the perfect opportunity to shut that bastard down years before and wimped out with his "surgical strikes". All he did was tick them off." Conservatives are so quick to bring up Clinton. But back in the 90s, conservatives hated Clinton for his bellicose foreign policy. in the 90s, it was the conservatives who were antiwar: they didn't want to go all the way to Baghdad because of the quagmire it would cause; they were against the bombing of the former Yugoslavia. You said: "Everyone forgets that Clinton had the perfect opportunity to eradicate Osama Bin Laden, he was too busy seasoning his cigars and redefining what the word "sex" meant. Clinton allowed 911 to occur by his lack of appropriate action." Why stop your historical analysis at Clinton? Clinton is a criminal, just like George W. Bush, and just like Ronald Regan, who armed the Mujahideen because they were fighting the Soviets. The Mujahideen eventually became al-Qaeda. It doesn't matter what party they come from, all of our elected officials are guilty. You said: "Everyone forgets that those troops are over there in the best interest of United States of America and our freedom. The freedoms we have to write here and the right of our media to critcize and belittle what America is trying to defend and protect. This makes me totally sick! Based on the conversations I have with servicemen, what the media prints is completely slanted and inaccurate." First of all, everyone in the military is different. They are human beings, just like us. They have diverse opinions, just like us. It doesn't help to say, "Based on the conversations I have with servicemen, what the media prints is completely slanted and inaccurate," because I could say the same thing. It's just a confirmation bias: if you are pro-war, you're going to give special attention to pro-war voice; if you're antiwar...etc. Second, please define "United States of America." Is the USA our government? Or is it our people? Yes, this war is in the best interest of our government; they've helped their corporate masters become even richer and they've been able to get the media completely under their control. But how has it been in the best interest of the American people? Saddam Hussein was a fourth-rate dictator; his country's infrastructure had been destroyed by bombing and his people were poor and starving because of sanctions. He was completely helpless, and the Bush regime thought he'd be an easy target. You speak in terms of "defend" and "protect," but how are we protected by having our entire army bogged down in one country? It makes no sense. You said: "I rode by one of the public protests on College Rd. and witnessed a protester with a sign that read, "TERRORISTS ARE HUMANS TOO!" This is some more mentality to deal with and proves that those people haven't enough sense to even protest intelligently or effectively. I'm sure as hell glad they didn't make it into our military system!!!" That sign was being held by a particularly disingenuous pro-war counter-protester. He was actually for the war, and he wanted to make us look bad by holding that sigh and standing next to us. By mentioning that particular sign, I am led to believe that you are the one who was holding it. If that's the case, nice try. If it is you, why can't you just be honest? You said: "I was 43 years old when 911 happened. I left work early that day to go to the recruiters station, ready to go and fight, I believed in that. I would rather be totally alone than to have these ignorant cowards people beside me!" Did you know who you were going to fight? Or did you just want to respond to violence with violence? Do you lack the imagination to ponder positive solutions to tragedy, or is it your first instinct to get revenge? It's awfully tacky to mention how brave you were ready to be on 9-11. Just like the president, you're using one of the most terrible things to happen on American soil to make yourself look tough.

not cowardly at all

There is nothing cowardly about these people. As a matter of fact, I see you as the coward. It's clear that you believe all the fear tactics used by this administration. Think for yourself and pay attention to what is actually going on. Hmm...ever hear of people who join in peaceful protests to make them look bad? If not, educate yourself. These people do NOT support terrorists. They are in favor of PEACE! Did you miss that?????? The fact that you are writing on here, shows that they ARE protesting effectively & intelligently. If you don't understand what I mean after thinking about it for a while, then your even less intelligent than I thought. FYI - no one forgets who Saddam was, but did you forget that he had nothing to do with 911 as you were running to the recruiters office or back home from it? Osama Bin Laden, say it out loud. Where is he? So what happened to serving your country big talker?

4000 in five years?

We lost 7000 in ONE MONTH at Iwo Jima. The loss of life is secondary to the fact that for the second time in recent history, we have become mired in a never-ending, very expensive counter-insurgency because of an unwillingness to prosecute a true war by the National Command Authority. It took us less time to defeat the combined forces of Germany and Japan than it has taken us to "see some progress" in Iraq. I don't know or particularly care why George Bush invaded Iraq. I don't care if his intentions were noble or devious. What I DO care about is that he relied upon a man who was totally inept at his job, who ignored the Nine Principles of War, and who dismissed the advice of his flag officers. Rumsfeld allowed what should have been a very short, very violent campaign to become the expensive, drawn-out mess we've had to face. We LET this become an insurgent struggle because we did a lousy job of "destroying the enemy and his will to fight." I fear that we may have become the paper tiger that China once called us....we just can't bring ourselves to fight and win a war.

Time to face the facts

Sadam Hussein was a CIA asset that was our guy. The weapons he used on the Kurds and Iranians were provided by British and Americans including Donald Rumsfeld. Many of the citizen's who were killed by Sadam had their names given to him by our agencies because they were socialist or pro union. No one in the US gave a damn when he was gassing people. Today 4,000 Americans are dead. Over 1 million Iraqi's killed. Over 2.5 million displaced persosns. Most victims are civilians, women and children. Vets from Iraq are committing suicide at 17/per week. Female Vets report that at least 1/3 are raped, 1/4 gang raped by their own companies. PTSD is rampant and troops are given meds and sent back to fight. Stop loss is an illegal back draft. (American workers r also stop lossed by their employers.) The military industrial complex is raking in huge profits, look at Exxon, at the expense of mostly poor youth who have no hopes of finding a job that will provide benefits for them and their families. War costs are projected at 3 trillion dollars. Our children and grandkids will pay for this. The war was not sanctioned by the UN. THe Chilean embassador to the UN reports that he and others were being bullied to support this war. The US invaded a sovereign country without UN approval, in fact placed the UN as a relic of the second world war. Time to make it right with the Iraqi people, 98% that want us to go. These are the facts of Bush's War. And by the way, Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9-11. Work for peace.

Thanks for your comments

This will undoubtedly shock you, Barney, but I don't CARE how many Iraqis have been killed. In war, you destroy the enemy and his will to fight. Exactly how many enemy you have to destroy is entirely up to him....or it SHOULD be. That's where Bush made his mistake. You do NOT stop offensive operations and tell your enemy when he's had enough. War, for all it's technical sophistication, is remarkably a slugfest like any Saturday night bar fight. Your opponent tells YOU when he's had enough - you don't tell him, because he just might surprise you. George Bush got surprised. War is neither right nor wrong, good nor bad, moral nor immoral. War is simply an extension of politics by other means. (Clausewitz) War should be a nation's last resort, but when the war starts you do all you can to emerge victorious. That's ALL that matters. You seem intelligent, but until you go to war and LEARN the art and science of war, you lack credibility, and will have to rely upon rhetoric and fantastic (in the truest sense of that word) statistics.