Submitted by Guest12 (not verified) on Wed, 04/01/2009 - 2:54pm.
Aren't there more pressing things the government could focus on? We don't deny common law relationships, so why is this such a big issue? Let's focus on the more important issues like getting people back to work, providing health insurance everyone is able to afford and education that is open minded.
Too many people/outsiders are involved in something that should only concern two people and their decision to spend the rest of their lives together.
Submitted by childofGod (not verified) on Wed, 04/01/2009 - 1:37pm.
God created Adam & Eve not Adam & Steve.
God's Word is NOT fiction. All who think that it's fiction better hope you are right, I'd hate to be you on that day you close your eyes for the last time on this side and open them on the other side for the 1st time and find out you were wrong! You might not believe but it's true anyhow!
Submitted by Dwight (not verified) on Tue, 03/31/2009 - 11:26pm.
I believe like the guy you had on that mariage is between a man and woman, I believe what the bible says about the subject . I also believe that God created Adam and eve,not Adam and steve .
Submitted by Guest101 (not verified) on Tue, 03/31/2009 - 10:36pm.
IF GOD INTENDED ON SAME SEX MARRAIAGES AND RELATIONSHIPS. HE WOULD HAVE ONLY CREATED ADAM AND STEVE. NOT ADAM AND EVE. THEREFORE IF U IDIOTS READ THE BIBLE U WOULD KNOW GOD CREATED ADAM AND EVE. NOT ADAM AND STEVE!!!!!!!
Submitted by Andrew Rhodes on Tue, 03/31/2009 - 7:46pm.
The US Constitution, specifically the First Amendment, prohibits laws from being passed that give respect to one religious belief over another.
Were the laws written based on a NEUTRAL legal system which was set up by the US Constitution, the defining of legal marriage would not be defined by the genders, races, religions, sexuality, or other such factors of those being married.
While religious sects are free to choose to have or not have their religious traditional marriage ceremonies for certain types of individuals, so long as the legal system has a marriage contract, it must follow a NEUTRAL legal design, as stated in the First Amendment.
The US Constitution also provides citizens to state their grievences freely. However, there is, in fact, no grievence. Those who choose not to marry homosexual individuals may do so. Those who choose not to associate with, be friends with, talk with, or even like homosexual individuals, are free to follow that path as well. However, two, or even more individuals, legally defined by the US Constitution as capable of consenting to certain acts (adult Humans are primarily the only ones; Human children's ability to consent on ANYTHING is a seperate issue entirely and should be argued seperately), who are married do NOT positively or negatively affect any other individual. Their Right to any consentual act does not deny any other individual any of their Rights to believe what they want or practice their own beliefs. It has never been proven beyond reasonable doubt that any negative, let alone positive, effect occurs on any individual who is not directly involved in such acts. The only reported "negative" effect to anyone directly involved with said act is actually caused by those not directly involved with the act who believe it is their Right to verbally, mentally, physically, and/or sexually abuse those who are directly involved.
Therefore, there is, in fact, no logical, intelligent, reason for setting any definition to segregate, limit, or deny any consenting individual whose Rights are protected by the US Constitution the opportunity to granted a legally binding marriage contract under a NEUTRAL legal system.
Those who say otherwise are merely attempting to subvert the US Constitution for the purpose of illegally creating a Theological Dictatorship in the United States. And to reiterate, there is a difference between stating one's opinion and beliefs and attempting to DICTATE those beliefs to others, thereby denying those other individuals their own Constitutional Rights as citizens to follow their own beliefs.
Andrw
Submitted by Guest345 (not verified) on Tue, 03/31/2009 - 10:51pm.
I don't know what Constitution you are reading, but the US Constitution established the government and the constitution itself, and set forth how to amend it. There is no guarantee as to any type of marriage rights under the US Constitution. There are no Amendments that directly address marriage. The government position is that marriage laws be left up to the individual states, with the exception of a Supreme Court ruling about the legality of interracial marriage and a Federal Law that was ratified through the House and Senate outlawing bigamy, which the government uses to control polygamy.
I have read your posts on the other page and know you are a strong supporter not only of gay marriage it seems but also of polygamy, and you use the freedom of religion exception in the Constitution to hammer home your point.
What it boils down to is this. When a bill is proposed in the houses of government, the elected officials that the public voted for make the decision to vote on it yay or nay. Their personal religion may make a difference or not, but they use the same process to decide on gay marriage laws as they would jaywalking laws. Just because mainstream religion is primarily against gay marriage, it does not mean that the only people against gay marriage hold that opinion due to religious beliefs. It is an unnatural use of biology as well. Some people are against it because it is a deviation from the normal.
For whatever reason a lawmaker votes for or against it, just like with any other proposed law or amendment, that is what we as the public hired them to do. There are two proposed bills right now concerning the film industry. One opinion is that we should make concessions to get them to produce more work here. The other opinion is that we should tax heavier on what is already going on here. Like every other bill, if the lawmaker wants re-elected, he or she will probably vote along the opinions of their constituents. If the film industry does not play a large part in the economy of their jurisdiction, they may not feel it is important enough to grant concessions. The same with this bill. Our government is set up as a majority rule. If the majority of society is not ready for gay marriage, it is far from trying to subvert the Constitution, as marriage is not even mentioned. The founders of this country were trying to build a nation. They were not concerned with sexual orientation.
Submitted by Andrew Rhodes on Wed, 04/01/2009 - 3:36pm.
Unfortunately for you, you've already admitted an attempt to mislead and lie about what you do or don't comprehend.
"I don't know what Constitution you are reading, but the US Constitution established the government and the constitution itself, and set forth how to amend it. "
"...and you use the freedom of religion exception in the Constitution to hammer home your point."
Yes, the First Amendment, the very Constitution you falsely claim that I'm not reading. Yet, here you ADMIT that it DOES exist.
It is not an exception. It is a parameter set forth in the US Constitution to create a NEUTRAL legal system. One not dictated by one religion or another.
All your other diatribes are irrelevant. The individual states do have a Right to govern themseleves. HOWEVER, as members of the UNITED States, they must abide by the overall parameters set forth in the Federal Constitution. There's not much point in having a Federal Constitution unifying the states if they don't have to abide by certain Rights of the citizens.
Marriage, under the law, is what is being discussed. Not religious ceremony and the recognizing of religious ceremony. The law doesn't care about religious ceremony of ANY kind. The US Constitution clearly states in the First Amendment that religious ceremony is not legislative. Now, one might argue on that broad argument about certain religious ceremonies, such as sacrifice. Looking at the issue of legal consent and who and/or what is protected under the US Constitution, the government has certain Rights as well. Can an adult or child be taken off the street against their will? Can a Parent offer their own child for sacrifice? Can an adult consent to be sacrificed? Based on the NEUTRAL legal system, really only the third cannot be interferred with. The second can be argued as to the consent capability of a minor in general as well as the Rights of a Parent as proxy to the child's Right to consent. Those are broad issues that need to be argued seperately. However, the first example clearly is a violation of the victim's Rights and therefore, a legal argument can be made that the government can make it illegal, no matter what the First Amendment stance on religious Rights may be of the attacker.
The same is true here. Individuals and organizations have the Right to their own religious beliefs and ceremonies. BUT, when it comes to law and other individual's beliefs as well as the NEUTRAL legal design of marriage, there is no logical, intelligent reason to limit, segregate, or deny any consenting participant.
You have not sufficiently argued your case. What religion has to say in the matter of the NEUTRAL legal system is not relevant. It has already been decided as such by the First Amendment. Either eliminate marriage contracts from the legal system and all benefits and negative effects of marriage from the legal system, or allow it for ALL citizens whose have the Right to such legal contracts under a NEUTRAL legal system. Religious arguments are irrelevant.
Andrew
Submitted by GuestJeff (not verified) on Tue, 03/31/2009 - 6:56pm.
It's amazing how so many stupid, uninformed, bigoted people still exist in our society. Get over yourselves...believe it or not, you ARE NOT God's chosen ones. Quote the Bible (a great work of Fiction) as much as you want, but hatred and ignorance will get all of you no where!
Submitted by Guestss (not verified) on Tue, 03/31/2009 - 6:47pm.
I cannot beleive it has came to this... Just the Bible forfilling though... That must happen before the return of our Lord Jesus Christ. God did not intend for same sex marriages... What are we teaching our children?
Submitted by Suzie (not verified) on Tue, 03/31/2009 - 6:44pm.
Love and marriage should not be bound by a couple's sexuality. The government should have no say in the matter. It's a personal relationship between two people, no matter what sex they are!
Submitted by Roseann (not verified) on Tue, 03/31/2009 - 6:23pm.
God created man and then created woman to be his help meet...his mate. He did not create another man to fullfill this task. The Bible clearly speaks against any other union. Our country, regardless of what folks are saying now-a-days, was founded on the Bible and the Christian faith. Our country is already in a mess because we have allowed our lawmakers to deviate from that belief. It's time for Christians to STAND UP and VOICE our opinions. NO...marriage should not be redefined!
Submitted by J. Stanton (not verified) on Tue, 03/31/2009 - 6:20pm.
When I moved down here 12 year ago, I used to laugh at the bumper sticker that read:
"I don't care HOW you did it in New York".
Butcha know what~~~??? Maybe that IS why I moved down here.
The government became so intrusive, the taxes became so abusive~ I came here to be left alone.
No smoking ANYWHERE up there~
I figured ... 'HEY, that's what they DO in North Carolina; grow TOBBACCO.'
Now they are banning cigarettes in N.C.
APRIL FOOLS DAY BEGINS THE RIDICULOUS CIGARETTE TAX.
I DON'T WANNA WEAR A SEAT BELT, I DON'T WANNA WEAR A HELMUT, I WANNA SMOKE CIGARETTES AND I HAD A MOMMY, I DO NOT NEED THE GOVERNMENT STEPPING IN MY MOTHER'S SHOES~ THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
The taxes are going crazy here in Wilmington for the same reason they went crazy up north~ politicos jamming things like convention centers and cement plants down everyone's throats.
HOW MANY TIMES/WAYS DO WE HAFTA SAY NO? We don't want this/that?
Someone PLEASE tell me how my wearing a seat belt will impact someone else in another car?
Someone PLEASE tell me how a helmut is gonna keep me alive if I crash a motorcycle at 55 mph into a brick wall?
Smoking sections in bars/restaurants are enough. Smoking does not need to be banned throughout the ENTIRE building.
A NEW law should be passed for everyone to keep their collective noses out of the next person's business.
And as far as same-sex marriage, I don't know what two men have or what two women have but I can tell you this much; a GAY couple does not not know what my husband and I have. My husband and I have a MARRIAGE.
Homosexuals have ruined enough 'words'~
~ just ask my Great Aunt Gay. The LAST little girl born with that name.
Submitted by Hahaha, really? (not verified) on Wed, 04/01/2009 - 2:58pm.
Oh by the way, you want the government to stay out of your life, right? You're tired of their restrictions and laws, right?
SO ARE GAY PEOPLE, that's why they want equal rights to marry!
Contradicting yourself, you're not too bright!
Submitted by Guest496 (not verified) on Wed, 04/01/2009 - 2:54pm.
You are a pathetic excuse for a human being.
It doesn't matter though, you morons can complain as long as you want but eventually gay marriage will be legal!
Smoking will hopefuly be banned because it is nasty. The fact that people like myself, who have never smoked in their life, are put at risk of getting cancer in no way means that I should just be okay with that...
SECONDLY - IT IS SPELLED HELMET, maybe you should wear one....to think your great aunt is the last one with the name "Gay"....get over yourself!
"Homosexuals" do not ruin words, and you seem to be doing just fine and ruining the English language as it is!
Submitted by Skip Shrauder (not verified) on Tue, 03/31/2009 - 6:00pm.
I don't need the bible or some holier than thou individual telling me who I can love.
As it stands now, if you are heterosexual, you are allowed to marry whomever you wish while homosexual marriage is forbidden.
If persons are committed, why not make divorce illegal?
There would definitely be a drastic drop in marriages if Bill and Betty knew they could not divorce their spouse if they tired of the arrangement.
A persons personal life should be just that.
I am not religious but I certainly would not follow the eye for an eye or stoning for adultery so why keep quoting the bible only for that which you agree with?
Submitted by Guestchristianfirst (not verified) on Tue, 03/31/2009 - 5:49pm.
Really! It is quite simple if you believe in the Bible. Those who don't, will vote no, and those who vote yes are people who do believe. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion; I would not tell anyone how they should be so to each their own...
Submitted by brunswick gal (not verified) on Wed, 04/01/2009 - 1:39pm.
Homosexuality is a sickness,the feelings are not real. God made Man and he made Woman.Why do you think that is?..It takes a man and woman to have children...not two men or two women..You cant change what is right, and gay marriages are not right!!! i can't even believe this even came up for discussin her in North Carolina. we are in the Bible Belt people...get real!!!! all you gays need to get help...and dont throw back at me that i need it!! Im a woman married to a man..thats the right way to live.....i have children that was concieved between a woman and a man!!! try and top that if your GAY!! You can't and wont!!! Get Help!!! My God ...I dont want my children and my grandchildren to look at a man and woman making out in public...It's DISCUSTING!!!!!..And I dont care what you think of me!!!!...JUST GET A LIFE!!!! I HAVE ONE!!!!
Submitted by Walter Taylor (not verified) on Tue, 03/31/2009 - 6:44pm.
This goes to shows us how some that we elect to our government thinks. Do they really believe, we as humans can second guess GOD and his law? Some think they know all and are so powerful only their word is all that counts and only their wants and will, should be enforced. And to prove it, would be to change the laws of nature and not show God any notice or respect....
This is winding up quickly and can't last long, God's word, power and judgement will bring the truth.
Submitted by Das Weibstück on Tue, 03/31/2009 - 3:52pm.
That Adam & Steve thing is so old. Get some new material.
Lets go back to 44,000,000 BC to 1,500,000 BC - Australopithecus: The earliest known proto-human hominid. Walked erect, used simple tools and was a hunter-gatherer.
So just who were these ancestors, your Adam and Eve, who almost overnight made the Quantum leap from animal to Homo Sapiens? Who where "created" full of knowledge, so wise and discerning.
What happened? Did humans devolve into Australopithecus?
Submitted by Logical (not verified) on Tue, 03/31/2009 - 6:31pm.
You seem like a logical person. And while you make an educated arguement, the accuracy of your educated arguement is questionable. For every reason to believe that Australopithecus was who you think is, there are reasons to debunk his age. You can argue carbon dating all you want. Putting all that aside oh logical one, let's take a physical look at this without having Jimbo default to the "Adam and Steve" cliche'.
We are animals, our bodies are made to reproduce and naturally, attract and be attracted by the opposite sex in order for this to happen. There is a reason for that. Being a homosexual means that there is something wrong in your brain. Seriously, what if we all became homosexual? The human race would die out. If you want to be homosexual, go ahead, but don't expect the rest of us to give you the same legal rights as we that will carry on the human race. Your homosexuality is wrong, sinful, and the wages of sin is death. Example: AIDS.
Submitted by JohnRPublic on Wed, 04/01/2009 - 4:17pm.
"You can argue carbon dating all you want." - logical
I would rather argue Uranium or Uranium-Lead dating. They are much more accurate for the time scale.
What business of the government is it?
Marriage
POOR STEVE
marriage between man and women
ADAM AND EVE
US Constitution
I don't know what
Smoke screens and mirrors
Good Lord
Man and Woman only please
Gay Marriage
Marriage between MAN and WOMAN
adam/eve~adam/steve
Oh by the way, you want the
You are a pathetic excuse
Same sex marriage
samesexmarriage
God created Adam and Eve,
Homosexuality is a
yikes
No
This goes to shows us how
God created everything. So
He created Adam. He created
same sex marriage
AMEN!!
old
you get the point.... Man
You seem like a logical
Screw that