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Groups praise court's decision on NC prayer case

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WINSTON-SALEM, NC (AP) -- Backers of a lawsuit over Christian prayers before Forsyth County commission meetings are praising a US Supreme Court decision not to hear an appeal of a judge's order prohibiting the practice.

The North Carolina chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union and the group Americans United for the Separation of Church and State say the court's decision Tuesday is a victory for the First Amendment.

The lawsuit argued that the prayers constituted an official endorsement of Christianity over other religions.

The Alliance Defense Fund, a conservative legal group, represented the county commissioners. The group says the Supreme Court missed an opportunity to clarify a point of law that lower courts have disagreed about.

A call to the Forsyth board of commissioners was not immediately returned Tuesday.

(Copyright 2012 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

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Religion and Govt

Yes we are all given the right to freely practice our religions by the first amendment. But that was not intented to mean that a governmental body (made up of people, but not a person) can practice a religous custom as a group. A government that routinely practicing a specific religion as group is simply a non-secular government. Sorry we don't do that here. It's not a war on religion to serperate religion from the government, it's just part of being secular. Have your religion what ever it is, but if you are an elected official or representative or governmental group you do not have the constitutional right to practice those beliefs in the form of a group prayer (to YOUR god) while you are serving the government. It's actually a no brainer. Just ask a elemetary school student who's had a couple social studies classes under their belt.

It's funny how so many people who call theselves conservative believe in bringing their god into the goverment, that's actually being pretty *%$#ing liberal with the intentions of the Founders.

Let's go back to history class

For the life of me, I can't figure out how we fail to understand that the separation of church and state is a GOOD thing. As we talk about the "founding fathers" a lot these days; as we look up at them with awe...let's remember that they created the separation of church and state for a reason and that reason is to PROTECT a person's right to worship as they see fit. It is the preservation of religion that they sought with this clever and then innovative notion. Otherwise, you run the risk of government imposed mandates when it comes to religion and churches. Again, it is BECAUSE we hold religion sacred, BECAUSE we want to protect it, BECAUSE we didn't want a repeat of what happened with the Church of England. Funny, the same folks who talk about less government all the time sure are quick to put government right in the middle of something that it has no business in...your religion.

What Are They Going To Do???

The Supreme Court and anyone else can rule, say and do whatever they want, but who is going to take action against you if you say a prayer? Absolutely no man can stop me or anyone else from saying a prayer to ourselves out-loud or quietly, as we have the freedom of speech act!!!! What are they going to do if the meeting is called to order and they take a brief pause and pray to themselves... Absolutely nothing!!! They can't!!! All they can do is what they do best... Cause a rucus and stir up as much trouble as possible and yes probably starting a lawsuit as they have nothing better to do than to look for issues to stir up!!! They are nothing but trouble themselves!!! I for one pray that God would touch ther lives and intercede in there mental judgement to better the up-bringing of His kingdom. I pray for their individual souls that God would touch and enter into their lives and have them live and walk in His footsteps!!! NOW, SUE ME FOR PRAYING FOR YOU, YOUR FAMILY, FRIENDS, AND LOVE ONES... I DARE YOU TOO CAUSE "WHEN GOD BE FOR US, WHO CAN BE AGAINST US???"

Agreed

I agree 100% with your, NakinaCitizens, post and couldnt say it any better!!! It is the best post so far!!! I too PRAY the same prayer as you and dare them to sue me as well!!! The ACLU is nothing but a group of no good scum that are bottom feeders which are always searching for something to make a huge deal out of!!! The example I have is that the ACLU applaudes February as National Black History month, however, I gurantee that if the shoe was on the other foot and there was a National White History month, the ACLU would do everything in their power, including pulling tooth and nail, to insure that the said history month was done away with just because it was in favor of the white population, God forbid that happen!!! They are a sad bunch of people that needs all the prayer they can get!!! God Bless and have a wonderful day, including you ACLU members!!!

Separation of church and state

The constitution guaranteed the freedom to worship however one chose. It had nothing to do with separation of church and state. Since the ACLU is involved in this issue. it is obvious it has nothing to do with protection of first amendment rights.

How is this is "a victory

How is this is "a victory for the First Amendment" when you are suppressing a person's right to free speech and their freedom of religion? When will these people ever realize that it is freedom of religion and not freedom from religion? If you don't want to hear a prayer then don't listen. If you don't want to hear it before a meeting then come to the meeting after the prayer is said. Don't tread on someone's right to speak, to exercise their religion or to express their beliefs. And keep in mind there is no freedom from being offended.

Also, there is no separation of church and state in the US Constitution.

Such a waste

It's amazing how much time, money and effort is wasted in the world on Religion. Such a pity that people can't put their time to better use. Religion is poison!

BUT, Salvation is the

BUT, Salvation is the antidote!!!!

Hmmm.

is it religion..or the people that are against it that are poison...sometimes it's hard to tell. I'd rather deal with Christians and at least a BELIEF in some sort of moral values...than the alternative...

I am afraid that you are

I am afraid that you are wrong. It is ANTI-Religion that is poison. This country was founded on freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. Religion is personal. ANTI-Religion is in your face aggressive and if that does not work, I will just sue you to make you submit to nothing. Religion and religious people don't have a problem breaking bread or working with anyone. ANTI-Religious people are isolationist and won't break bread with anyone. ANTI-Religious people did not form, found or make the country that you are allow you to type your words and your beliefs. Freedom did. Freedom to decide for yourself. Freedom to choose what you do or do not understand or believe. ANTI-Religion is the most aggressive, repressive and destructive group in the US. When you are hungry, you don't go to the Atheist of America and get a meal, you go to a religious formed group that feeds the hungry. All of them consider it their mission and their rite to help fellow man. ANTI-Religion wants them to stop because someone might pray. The only united mission of the Atheist of America is trying for them to get others to submit to their beliefs. Not one other goal. Not one good deed. Destruction and submission. It's amazing to me that it is always the ANTI-Religion that is suing the Religion. Not just one, but all of them. I bet the men on this board represent multiple church bodies with their attendance. I bet they represent some of the best programs for Forsyth County and some of the best hope for those that need help. I bet you just want them to stop without any alternative solution other than, "Pray and I will sue!" I hope they all pray for you. I hope that you feel it. I hope that your stomach churns. I hope you understand.

Personal is the key word

You are so very right, the very key, heart, and point of the matter is that it is personal, very personal. Why is it important to display personal beliefs in public gatherings? or submit others to your personal beliefs in a public forum? That is what churches, mosques, and temples are for, demonstrating and professing your personal beliefs in the appropriate forums. It is not usually atheists that stand up and for the Establishment Clause. It is generally those who hold profound spiritual beliefs that stand firm for the rights of all, any faith or belief, to attend and participate in government and public functions that are free from religious overtones, which are deeply personal spiritual convictions. These are not required to conduct or participate in public proceedings or events. It does not mean those that gather at secular functions are godless or atheistic, it is just not the appropriate place or time, and that is what the framers intended.

Maj...

While I disagree with you on your position with respect to religion, you are certainly free to express it.

Unfortunately, there are far too many who want to argue their beliefs, whatever they may be, in a feeble attempt to prove they are right and others are wrong.

Grow Up!

Same old bullsh*t from you. I'm sick of Christian bashing. Grow up!

like you are doing now??????

like you are doing now??????

Bullsh*t! you say? is that a biblical phrase?!

If there is guaranteed separation of church and state, then there should be ZERO prayers in a state building. If ya wanna pray, do it at home before ya get to the state meetings on state grounds, owned by the public that all don't adhere or believe the same idiocy as you might. Leave it at home, or at least do it silently and don't force it on other people, regardless of what "religion" you follow

K M A
Kiss My A--

KMA, Heaven Or Hell

I am praying for you, KMA, that Cod would allow His Holy Spirit to move in a powerful and mighty way in your life by pouring His convicting power down upon you so much that you would not know what else to do but to turn to Him. You are one of Gods children and He cares for you no matter how much you blasphem Him. He will always be there for you in the tough times and the good times. I feel that you are getting ready to go through the roughest time in your life and will face many trials and tribulations, however, it is YOUR choice how you respond and who you turn towards. It will be simple, Heaven or Hell, YOUR choice but I choice Heaven!!!

NakinaCitizen please read

thank you! your threat of heaven or hell has changed my way of thinking.

"chuckles"

I say if prayer is allowed

"all" religions should be allowed

see how it works then.

example
a Buddhist or one of different Christian faith wants to pray

would the Bible belt be happy with that?

Bigot

I knew I could count on you to spout your usual anti-religion venom.
Your posts have always been childish...now they're just getting boring. Get a life.