Titan permit officially 'final'

WILMINGTON, NC (WWAY) -- The air quality permit for a cement plant in Castle Hayne is now officially "final."

Division of Air Quality spokesman Tom Mather said the state permit for Titan America's Carolinas Cement Plant became final today at the end of a 30-day period from when it was approved.

Opponents have another 30 days to file appeals, but Mather says so far no appeals have been filed.

The project still needs other state and permits from other state and federal agencies.

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The current population of New Hanover County is approximately 203,000 people. The current unemployment rate is approximately 10% or 20,334 people.

Allowing Titan to build this plant equals:
12,399,932 lbs. of new pollution per year or 77,499 lbs. of new pollution per year per job (160 jobs).
If Titan fills all 160 jobs with unemployed people from New Hanover County, this still leaves approximately 20,174 people unemployed. This is LESS THAN 1%.
If the unemployed from Pender and Brunswick Counties are considered, this number becomes even more absurd, if possible.
Huge strain on the Castle Hayne Aquifer, real possibility of many wells going dry.
There have been water shortages the last two summers without Titan.
Real possibility of aquifer becoming contaminated/polluted.
Foreign Corporation equals profits leaving this country.
Destroyed Wetlands.
New pollution added to the Northeast Cape Fear River and Island Creek.
Their plant in Florida is operating at approximately 35% of capacity.
Cement workers are being layed off world wide.
Dividends not being paid.
Titan tries to sue people into silence, instead of joining in during public debates.
Titan has proven beyond any doubt it does not care about the environment and the people living around their plants by the manner in which their plant in Alexandria, Egypt operates. This proves every single day that what Titan says and what Titan does are two entirely different things. Actions trump words.

Maybe reducing less than 1% of the unemployment rate. Massive amounts of new pollution in the air and water. Massive amount of new strain on an already overburdened aquifer. And this for an industry whose profits are down worldwide. It appears this will be built, people hired, and then layed off. Why?

The links below show what the people in Alexandria, Egypt have to put up with. Please cut and paste if they will not open.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEqFlez5Whg&feature=player_detailpage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9W8PT3RhD2o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3o4HuIyaw-g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AIOSWUr2hIM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-QkIZou135I

I'm sure the 160 people with jobs might disagree with you....the people hired to work...will surely appreciate Titan....NHC will also reap the benefits of increase tax revenues.

The Stop Titan group has employed the very tactics you accuse Titan of. Titan followed the law...that's all they are required to do.

Before the recession hit, this area experienced a building boom that was unprecedented. I know many people in the building industry, and I never remember any of them complaining about not being able to get cement/concrete in a timely manner. Now, in this recession, with demand down, people being layed off, a brand new cement plant is needed? I have always thought that during a recession that businesses streamlined their operations to survive until better times. With layoffs happening world wide in Titan's plants, the new business strategy is to spend millions building a new plant that wasn't even necessary in the boom years? I am sure that Titan's currently layed off workers are thrilled that the company can no longer afford to keep them on the payroll, but can spend millions of dollars to build a new plant. This sounds like an employer that you can count on to provide stable employment for you and your family's future. Also, take into consideration that most corporations fill jobs with qualified displaced/layed off workers, before hiring new workers that will require training. When Titan returned the 4.5 million dollars in incentives, they not only avoided an environmental study, they also removed the stipulation that they would be required to hire local people. All this new pollution, all this dissent in the community, all the games Titan has played, all the questions Titan refuses to answer in a public forum, But...........jobs are jobs........even imaginary ones.

This is good news for our area. Your comments are totally exaggerated.

Please go point by point and explain with truthful facts which comments that I have exaggerated.

Because they meet the requirements of the laws in place right now.

Why stop with Egypt? Why not go shopping for totally unrelated videos in Bangladesh?

How a corporation wanting to open a plant in your community conducts itself at another location or country is unrelated? Or excuse me, totally unrelated. Is it “totally unrelated” because you are unwilling to accept the fact that Titan will subject people to these conditions? How they operate when nobody is forcing them to care about the environment or the people that live around their plants is the kind of corporation they are. But........you just want to welcome them with open arms. Are you a stockholder? Are you already employed by Titan? Has Titan promised you a job? Regardless of your motivation, you are entitled to your opinion. But instead of a blanket statement, please offer facts as to how Titan chooses to operate its plant in Alexandria, Egypt is “totally unrelated” to how it operates in other places.

The citizens will NEVER stop fighting for what we think is best for OUR community. We will never accept that it is OK for a foreign corporation to come here, drain millions of gallons of water every day from our aquifer, add close to 12 million lbs. of additional pollution and toxins to our air when our county is already the highest toxin emitter in the state, risk endangering the health of the 8500 schoolchildren living nearby who will have to breath in all those toxins, sue citizens who speak out truthfully about their concerns and refuse to answer publicly any questions the community has.
THIS IS AN ELECTION YEAR and our county commissioners could be the only thing standing between us and all that pollution. Ask the hard questions of the candidates, demand they represent US and not the billion dollar foreign company and be sure to VOTE and vote smart!

They've been awfully quiet, whereas before, they couldn't wait to get in front of a camera.

They're still fighting loud and proud as Citizens Against Titan. Here's hoping that this multi-million dollar foreign corporation is not successful in suing any more of our citizens for exercising their rights to Free Speech and exposing the truths of their dirty industry and dirty business practices.

If Titan meets the requirements of the current applicable laws, Titan gets to build. We follow the law, not mob rule.

It really IS that simple.

Where is the “mob” Mr. Commonsense? From what I've been told the mob is what owns Titan. Peaceful, legal demonstration, speaking up for what you believe, makes someone or a group of people a mob? Why does Titan and it's supporters such as yourself never state a truthful, verifiable fact? You just make generalizations geared toward casting someone else in a bad light. The current laws you claim to know so much about do not guarantee you a victory. This process is not over. Investigations will answer questions about public leaders whom have refused to answer questions about how this whole process has come about. And don't forget you still have to clear the County Commissioners and get the Special Use Permit. After returning the 4.5 million dollars in incentives to avoid an environmental study, I hope your not counting on the Commissioners not realizing you are no longer required to hire local people. And your threat of lawsuits if you don't get your way? Bring them on. This whole process started over the promise of jobs, and you now have wormed your way out of that obligation. With an industry as nasty as yours, this project would have never gotten a seconds worth of consideration without the promise of jobs. It shouldn't have gotten any consideration anyway. 160 jobs, or less than 1% of the unemployment rate for New Hanover County, the down side of your industry is just not worth it. Keep on with your disparaging comments, the people that have common sense can and will see right thru you.

DO realize you are the MINORITY on this issue...typical liberal knee jerk response...ITS FOR THE CHILDREN!!...BAH!

Really, who cares about kids? I just want all I can get, screw up the environment, and not give a darn about anyone but me. Who cares what liberals think? I am a red-blooded, redneck, all-american kind of guy that believes science is a bunch of hoo-haw. Me and Commonsense know the law and if it has bad repercussions who cares? We won't be around to drink polluted water or breathe the air. So for all you knee jerk liberals trying to breathe clean air, we say go to h-e-double hockey sticks. I am a born again redneck so I can't cuss.

you done with your knee jerk response?...Your scientific background is...? Let me guess...you don't have one...

Also....enjoying that computer that uses heavy metals in components?..you don't really believe what you say...hypocrite.

You ask for someone's scientific background because of their post, what is yours? You wouldn't be dismissing someone else's opinion and not require the same background of yourself? Or would you? This whole argument that more pollution should be welcomed into our community because there is already pollution is tiresome and stupid. Yes, I'll say it again, IT'S STUPID. How about stating facts, truthful facts for a change. And why don't you sign your name? If you believe it, sign it! If not, you just sound and come across as one of Titan's robots. Robo poster, do you have one of Titan's high paying jobs? What is the going rate for spin artists these days?
You can not and will not ever start cleaning up pollution or anything else by continuing to add to the problem. This is the one point in this argument that cannot be changed or denied. If Titan is allowed to be built, others just like them or worse will flock to this area like flies to.....sh.....The word will be out, Wilmington/Castle Hayne will allow pollution for the illusion of jobs. Come one, come all, and view the total decimation of an entire area.

Polls taken in NHS county consistently show that a majority of the citizens do not want Titan here. So you are completely wrong but it seems like you are the type to be wrong about lots of things.

post your poll data sourced...

WWAY'S own poll

Are you happy that the state approved an air quality permit for Titan Cement to build a new plant in Castle Hayne?
NewsYes, we need the new jobs.
25% (339 votes)
No, I feel the plant will hurt the environment.
74% (1020 votes)
Don't know / Don't care
1% (17 votes)
Total votes: 1376

This poll shows just under a 3 to 1 margin against Titan.

I know we need jobs in our area. I know there are people desperately trying to find work. I have asked Titan publicly to list these jobs. I have sent e-mails to their website asking for this information. I asked for job titles, qualifications necessary to be hired for these jobs, how much these jobs will pay, and what the benefit packages will be? Titan refuses to answer.
These are the facts: The cement industry is down worldwide. People are being layed off world wide. By Titan's information reported in the newspaper, their plant in Florida is operating @ approximately 35% of capacity. Why build a new plant in this economic environment? Before this recession, our area experienced a building boom that had never been seen before. I know many people in the building industry, and not a single one ever complained about not being able to get cement! This plant was not needed then, why now?
Cement plants cause pollution. Everyone can argue till they are blue in the face about amounts, problems caused/not caused, but they do add pollution. This plant will use massive amounts of water, which will add additional strain to the aquifer. The area where this plant will be built is already the 2nd most polluted in the state. Titan returned 4.5 million dollars in incentives. The return of this money eliminated Titan being required to hire local people. With qualified people layed off at other plants, Titan's refusal to list the jobs/requirements, do you really think there will be many jobs offered to the people of our area? I think qualified workers will be transferred here.
The cement industry is having problems worldwide finding places that will allow them to build plants. They are desperate to find somewhere that will allow them to expand. This issue is not about a company that wants to become a good neighbor, it is about a company desperately trying to find a place that will allow their pollution, excessive water usage, for the illusion of a few jobs. Otherwise, it does not make sense to expand an industry that is laying off workers.

WHAT MAJORITY? I,V NEVER BEEN POLLED OR EVEN SEEN ONE.