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Wilmington questions 165 signatures on ballpark petition; organizers surprised

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WILMINGTON, NC (WWAY) -- A petition against a taxpayer-funded ballpark in Wilmington has hit another bump in the road. City officials have asked the New Hanover County Board of Elections to further analyze more than 160 names on the petition.

Elections Director Marvin McFadyden says the city has called 165 names from the petition into question. McFadyen says 104 of the names on the petition have questionable signatures and 61 of them have incorrect dates of birth.

Petition organizer Joshua Fulton was surprised to learn about the newest hurdle.

"Frustrated for sure," Fulton said. "We had been told that it was the Board of Elections' soul duty to verify the signatures, and now it seems like the city is kind of trying to take a backdoor route to verifying them themselves."

Fulton says he would be shocked if the city prohibited him from submitting more signatures or a revised petition. He does believe it is reasonable for some signatures to get rejected, but he says it is not his job to verify them.

"It's really (the Board of Elections') job to affirm the identity of these people, that they're really citizens," he said. "It'd be impossible for us to do that."

Fulton still has hopes of getting his citizen-initiated ordinance on the November ballot, but he says he feels like the Board of Elections is trying to get them to jump through hoops to do it.

The city attorney says petitioners can still submit more names until the Board of Elections closes the process. No word on when that could happen.

The Board of Elections hopes to have a decision on the questioned signatures by Monday. That's one day before City Council meets again. Council is slated to talk about a bond referendum in November for up to $42 million to pay for the ballpark.

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Subsidized Housing:

Building a baseball stadium for Mandalay and the Atlanta Braves is nothing more than subsidized housing for the rich. The tax payers will spend millions of dollars to build this stadium, spend millions of more dollars on the driveway (road projects necessary to support the stadium), and the tenants get to live there during the prime time of the year. The rent they will pay will only cover a small portion of the interest on the stadium loan. The tax payers get stuck with the rest. If the tax payers are crazy enough to vote for the bond(s) to do this project, they will pay the bill. There is no guarantee the city will even apply the rent payments toward paying down the loan(s). The windfall sales tax revenue this project is supposed to produce will not all go to the city, even if the amount is true. Once again the city has not guaranteed these funds will go toward paying the loan(s). The other revenue producing events will have to take place in the off season (late fall, winter, early spring). Even though we have had some mild winters around here, we have also had some bad ones. Weather will dictate what events can be held in an open air stadium. The concerts the proponents of this stadium claim will produce revenue need to be considered closely. After you pay for the band(s), printing of the tickets, selling of the tickets, advertising, people necessary to work the event, and the clean up after the event, there is not much money left as profit. Restaurants, hotels, and retailers may or may not make extra money because of this event, but once again there appears to be no guarantees any profits will be applied to the original debt of building this stadium. There are only TWO guarantees with this project. First is that Mandalay and the Atlanta Braves will get a sweetheart of a deal. Second is the tax payers in Wilmington are going to be responsible for millions of dollars in loans. Everything else is nothing more than speculation and conjecture. Do you really think if the other events that can be held at the stadium generated massive amounts of profit that Mandalay and the Braves just wouldn't build the stadium themselves and keep these profits also? This project is the many paying millions of dollars so a few can profit.

Who cares about this flawed

Who cares about this flawed petition? If they don't make sure signatures are really valid, what's to stop the crazies from bringing more bogus petitions in the future on whatever they want and claiming they have citizen signatures? City Council already said they are putting a bond referendum on the ballot, so people will get their say one way or another. But that would be too rational for the conspiracy theorists.

stop baseball !!!

my guess is that the city has decided that we WILL build a stadium ...no matter what the petition/people say !!! i will be signing this petition monday . you clowns that support this fiasco should be ashamed of yourselves . WE CAN`T AFFORD IT !!! i hope you don`t run your personal finances like this. there is`nt one sport in this town that gets the attendance they are predicting this will. they are telling us these lies to sell it to us.just like a car salesman ! all of you supporters are falling for it hook line and sinker!!!

Saffo Stadium will be built no matter what.

I always knew the petition would be challenged and in some back door move thrown out. This just goes to show you how Bill Saffo will stop at nothing to make the the taxes go up on property owners for what he think will be his legacy in Wilmington. I guess the Convention Center BUST wasn't enough for a legacy. Shame on you Bill Saffo and all the rest of the city counsel that thinks this is a good idea when Braves/Mandalay are sitting on $900,000,000.00 dollars!!! Your a disgrace to your party and the city tax payers. Bill Saffo is a rapist. Raping the tax payers for his pet projects.

On and On and On

Why can't the city just kill this stupid stadium idea? Most citizens of Wilmington don't want it, it's a bad idea, and it doesn't add anything we don't already have. Concerts? We already have those. Fireworks? Seems like we have those all the time. Baseball? We've already got that and if you want to see something a little "higher level", just take a little drive down to Myrtle Beach, where you'll have YOUR CHOICE of seats, since NOBODY GOES TO THE GAMES!

Give it up, stupid politicians, we don't want our money spent on this and if you drag it out until November, it's going to get stomped on.

Fair is Fair

Stop your complaining. The group behind the petition found an old and outdated way to try and stop the ballpark and the city council has the right to question the signatures. It's the process that McCoy & Fulton have been crying about ever since they didn't get elected into office and now it's the City's turn to follow the process. Like it or not, the process is there for a reason and every step should be followed.

Major League Baseball Petition

I missed the petition but would be glad to sign if needed.

Another Signature?

I haven't signed any petition yet but would love to sign one now. So where can I add to the list of sane people who are struggling to provide for their families while others are trying to steal from them? As it has been said so many times before, why the need for so MUCH taxpayers dollars if it is such an awesome "boon" for the city? I've got to go. Just watered the lawn and I need to take out a second mortgage to pay for it!

ballbark

the city should check there voters the same way in nov to see how voters

Other news outlets

are saying the stadium vote will center around two or three options
A small stadium costing around $25M
A slightly larger one at $32M
And a stadium not costing more than $42M

All funds provided by the city all from property tax increases
There's no mention of private investment all funds from the city.

This has been a tragic misrepresentation of how un/popular baseball is here. We lost the Port City Roosters - thank goodness that didn't cost us much but is indicative that we don't support baseball.
THIS fiasco will cost us money and the risk is too high for us at this time.

City Council? Vote this down. Vote it down NOW

Best Regards
Vog

Petition

It is obvious that the Mayor and Council still want to be able to force this ballpark on the public. There is an easy solution to this issue. The Mayor and Council agree to put the question of using tax payer money to fund this stadium on the ballot voluntarily. If they would agree to do this, the petitioners might be willing to drop the petition. Whether you are for or against this project, reasonable people should be able to agree that a vote by the people that will be required to pay for the project is fair. As they argue about a few signatures being valid or not, the majority of the signitures that have been verified show that a substantional amount of people feel this issue should be voted on. Put it on the ballot and let the people decide in November.

crooks

Saffo and crooks won't rest till this petition is abolished. No matter who or what, in the good ole boy system, has to be done. What a bunch of jerks.

The educated,not "good ole boys"

Taking a great new professional approach here.

still a dumb idea

Eitherway...no ballpark needs to be built by public funds period....wilmington is not a baseball town period...not enough fans here anyway...
not a popular sport anymore.....I lnow...that really makes some of you mad I'm sure
..get over it...lol

So which sport

So,if not baseball,what spectator sport in Wilmington is the "hottest" ticket?
Please do not say UNCW basketball,they are like our topography,below sea-level.

Smelly

Something smells here in Wilmington and it ain't Reiglewood.

probably the "gunk"

On this ill-worded.lacking signatures,and no advativits to book,and you still think all fine?

Its time for these idiots to admit defeat + a nice rant WBPD

You lost. you never stood a chance. You got snookered and for all we know you may have deliberatedly committed fraud. Bring baseball to Wilmington (The Sharks arent a real team) and it will be a boon the economy. Just for the record Im a registered Republican but Im about sick and tired of everytime I turn around people bitching and griping about spending any bleeping money to help improve the economy into this area.
The bloody self-righteous out in Wrightsville Beach wish the tourists would stay away thinking they own the bleeping beach themselves. (BTW WBPD nice raid at the Blockade Runner the other night for the fireworks.. Amazing all these years you wait until there arent famous people staying and around to create a scene because you want the rich and famous to stay but since this year there werent any big name celebrities you decide to instigate a bloody scene surprised you didnt call out the damn NHC SWAT team you jackbooted thugs!!. You already harass the employees there (Being pulled over for no reason if you see a BR Employee sticker on their cars and looking for an excuse to ticket them and if you cant you make some BS excuse up and let them go and half the time the guests. I dunno what the owners did to piss you off but apparently your Police Dept and town has a grudge against the BR that runs deep). Keep it up Wrightsville youll get your wish and then youll rue running off the normal avg citizen and tourist when the economy tanks and nobody wants to spend their money over the bridge

Rant at you

And the purpose of your message is?

Ballpark

One of the really great things about America is that anyone can say anything no matter how ignorant with only the ridicule of others as punishment.

3 Strikes-You are OUT

The City of Wilmington has treated our boys way more than fair and it's time for this to stop. Every time we turn on the TV or pick up a news paper we get more information about their flawed petition and their failure to follow the rules. The wording is wrong, the names are wrong, sheets of signatures from other petitions turned in, affidavits not filed, addresses wrong, falsified signatures, this goes on and on. It's time the city leaders started protecting the city charter rather than continuing to accommodate these two freshmen. These guys given the chance wouldn't extend one concession too the city on any manner yet they expect the city to look the other way when it comes to their incompetence.
Lets hope the city stands for the majority, protects the integrity of the city charter and sends the boys back to the drawing board.
Three strikes boys and your out!!!

Is anyone surprised

The signature,checking,double-checking of mis-worded petitions leaves alot of head scratching?
Every week,some seems to be done wrong.

If just once you would post something ...

... that was a full sentence, or perhaps anything that was backed up by at least one fact, I could accord you some credibility.

But you don't , so I can't.

How about the advadavits

Are these not missing as well?