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Davis measuring support for beach smoking ban

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By Kelly Poe
Breakingnews@StarNewsOnline.com

NEW HANOVER COUNTY, NC (StarNewsOnline.com) -- A bill to give New Hanover beach towns the power to enforce smoking bans on the beaches could go through the state legislature within months.

Rep. Ted Davis, (R) New Hanover, is assessing support within the legislature for the bill, and if there is enough backing, he will begin the drafting process, he said. The process could begin in as soon as two weeks, but it could take much longer if reactions aren't primarily positive, he said.

"I've already started the ball rolling, and I want to get it done as quickly as possible," Davis said. "Things move a lot slower in Raleigh than they do locally."

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I hope they do pass the ban,

I hope they do pass the ban, not because I care if someone smokes outside but because I am tired of seeing smokers throw their Butts down wherever they choose, even dumping their ashtrays on the side of the road, I wish the govenor would put a 25 cents deposit on each butt in a pack, refundable on return of "butt", at least someone would get to claim the deposit that was cleaning up after these pigs.

So, let's see

$0.25 per butt surcharge for litter.
For a piece of paper that is typically rolled up into a round ball the size of a marble then dropped onto the beach sand where it biodegrades.
As opposed to a deposit on cans and bottles that don't?

I agree that those who empty their ashtrays should be punished as that is carrying it way too far.

The main problem with smoking is NOT the litter - admit it. It's the secondhand smoke that many find offensive. When smoke gets blown around it gets carried into "your air space". At the beach it interferes with your enjoyment of the salt air.
Smoking bans are more easily enforced than littering bans for cigarettes.

Vog

Cigarette filters and biodegradability ....

Cigarette filters are essentially made of plastic. Because they're plastic, they're not really degradable.

The biggest issue with smoking on the beach is the litter, not the second hand smoke. I spend a lot of my free time at the beach and cigarette butts in the sand are a constant occurrence. With a generic sea breeze of between 5 to 10 miles per hour, the issue of second hand smoke is not really an issue.

While it's easier to enforce a smoking ban, the right thing to do is to enforce a littering ban.

(FYI: I don't smoke)

Chef

If you believe butts are the main litter problem - you stop the smoking you stop the litter.
As for the biodegradable aspect you are right they are cellulose acetate - a form of plastic. I should have known that as a former cigarette smoker. My 1 or 2 cigars per week are not filtered - and I do not smoke them in public...

As for drinking on the beach. I don't but do you really know whats inside that insidious kushy, coozy thing that's around that beverage in his or her hand? I'd like to believe those college kids are drinking Lipton Iced Tea but thinking back to MY college days I tend to doubt that.
But it's still a can or a plastic bottle.....
We are incredibly wasteful in this country.
Litter goes far beyond cigarettes though Chef - cans and bottles are easy - butts are not. You can drink on a beach and not affect anyone - but smoking? The smell alone can bother some people.
I'm with the smoking ban side on this one....

Vog

Enforce the laws you have now.

Enforce the laws you have now!!!

You can't enforce the laws you have now. This could be covered under littering if you were smart enough to enforce it.

YOU

sir think too much! Please report to the closest Federal Rehabilitation Unit to be reprogrammed on how to think!

Absolutely true! If the

Absolutely true! If the intent is to deter cigarette butts being disposed of on the beach, littering laws work.

It does not work to enforce group think conditioning of individuals.

Remember, this is now Amerika!

Butts are litter, but the laws don't work.

Smoking on the beach would never be a problem if the smokers simply put their stinkin' trash where it belongs...in the trash can.

While sitting on the beach one nice summer day last year, a group of six people decided to leave. They packed up their chairs, their coolers and their beach bags. 4 of them each left a pile of butts next to where their chair rested, their personal "ash tray". As they walked away, I asked them, "Could you please put your cigarette butts in the trash too?" One would've thought I had called their mamma a bad name! They came back with their chests poked out, threatened to beat me up and asked why I was selected to be beach trash patrol. I told them I was selected by "that lifeguard over yonner, as you accessed the beach. He saw you coming." Didn't help at all, they just got more angry due to trash THEY left, and THEY wouldn't remove. The fight was averted, but their trashy attitude is well in memory. Low class bums with an attitude, a trashy one.
Twice in my life while motorcycle riding, I've had lit, hot, cigarette butts flicked out of a car window to conveniently lodge themselves inside my leather riding jacket and burn the flyin' bejeezus out of me. Do you have any idea how long it takes to stop the bike, get the jacket off, rip your shirt off and locate the red-hot ember that, by now, is burning a life-long mark on your ribcage? Nice, huh?

I don't have a problem with people that want to intentionally inhale particulates into their lungs and reduce their time on earth. I have a problem with those smokers who don't have their mamma with them to pick up their trash behind them. So call it "Amerika" if you like. Some peeps just have to herded like group of dumb buffalo. How does that buffalo in front of you look?

I think that you perfectly

I think that you perfectly illustrate my point with your statement "some peeps (sic, I assume that means people) just have to herded like a group of dumb buffalo". When you are in the herd it is difficult to see that it is a herd, is it not?

Actually jj

The littering law is MUCH harder to enforce for smoking. Do you put the butt in your empty beer can? Not littering if you put the can in the trash receptacle. Take that butt and bury it in the sand and it IS littering but that action takes less than a second.
Smoking provides a clear "visual" and an odor which is why they went to anti-smoking versus littering laws. IT makes it easier for an LEO to enforce.
Remember it's all about making a cop's job easier so as to increase the town's revenues - just like parking meters.

Vog

No, who would dare put their

No, who would dare put their butt in their empty beer can at wrightsville beach? Alcohol is NOT ALLOWED on the beach.

I really hope that the state does not give the beach towns jurisdiction on the beach. It is, after all, tax payers of North Carolina who fund a good portion of beach renourishment, and who contribute to room occupancy tax. This means this should be state property more than anything else. Beaches being a tourist destination, where people from ALL OVER North Carolina come to visit, I don't think it should be up to a few college students and wrightsville beach residents to decide on this ban. If the state wants to ban smoking on the beach, go for it, but don't give beach towns jurisdiction of state property.

Vog

You're right but an anti-littering law is still the right way to go.