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NC Senate rolls out voter ID proposal; student IDs not included

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GARY D. ROBERTSON
Associated Press

RALEIGH, NC (AP) -- The North Carolina Senate has unveiled its proposal for requiring citizens to show photo identification before they can vote in person.

The bill released Thursday sets out seven qualifying forms of photo ID to vote. But the forms do not include university-issued IDs, like the House allowed for University of North Carolina system and community college students when it passed a bill three months ago.

Rules Committee Chairman Tom Apodaca says the Senate's version also seeks to accommodate people with disabilities and nursing home residents who want to vote. Apodaca doesn't know when the bill will be debated or voted on but he says voter ID legislation will be passed this year.

Democrats and allied groups say the bill is unnecessary and would needlessly harm the right to vote.

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What's so difficult?

From: http://www.dmv.org/nc-north-carolina/id-cards.php

"Any resident who does not have a valid driver license can get a photo ID, regardless of age. It looks just like a driver license, except you do not get driving privileges. People use them to write checks, travel on trains or airplanes, get library cards, and to prove their age in order to purchase alcohol or cigarettes."

From: http://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/driver/id/

"To get a state ID you will need 4 of the following items:

Driver License

Valid, unexpired Driver License or State-Issued Identification Card from another state, Puerto Rico, a U.S. territory, or a Canadian province.
A valid, unexpired DL/ID or learner’s permit with a photo.
A driver license, learner’s permit or ID card that reflects a photo which has been expired less than one year.
A valid driver license, learner’s permit or ID card without a photo.
Birth Certificate

Certified birth certificate issued by a government agency in the US, Puerto Rico, a U.S. territory or Canada, or U.S. Report of Consular Birth Abroad.

No photocopies allowed, unless certified by issuing agency.
Original Social Security Card

When making application for an original identification card, learner permit or driver license it is required that you provide DMV with a valid Social Security card. If you are not eligible for a Social Security card, you must provide documentation issued by the United States government indicating legal presence.
Tax forms

Tax forms that reflects your full name and full SSN.

W-2 or 1099
Motor Vehicle Driver’s Record

Certified NC Motor Vehicle Record.

Non-Certified NC Motor Vehicle Record .

Certified Out-of-State Motor Vehicle Record.

School Documents

NC school transcript/registration signed by a school official, or diploma or GED from an NC school, community college or NC university.

Driver Education Certificates, Driving Eligibility Certificates and report cards are not accepted as proof of identification.
US Military ID Valid unexpired U.S. military ID, including DD-2, DD-214, or U.S. Military Dependents Card, U.S. Veteran Universal Access Card.
Passport

Valid, unexpired passport from any nation.
Certified Marriage Certificate

Certified marriage certificate from a Register of Deeds or government agency in the U.S, Puerto Rico, U.S. territories or Canada.
NC Limited Driving Privilege

Limited Driving Privilege issued by North Carolina court. Cannot be expired more than one year.
US Government Documents

Valid, unexpired documents issued by the DHS/USCIS.
An expired immigration document may be valid if accompanied by a letter from USCIS extending the expiration date (e.g. I-797).
Court Documents

Court documents from US jurisdiction, Puerto Rico, US territories or Canada.
Divorce decree.
Court order for change of name or gender.
Adoption papers.
Certified Court order for child support.

The cost is $10.00 for five years.
Prohibitive? Hardly.

Do the math: That's $2.00 a year, or approximately .17¢ a month... .0055¢ a day.

I can guarantee you that EVERYONE spends more on unnecessary, luxury items such as sodas, candy, alcohol, cigarettes, etc. (And I would include cell phones, Internet, and some sort of television provider.) For the record, some things I've listed require a valid ID! For goodness' sake, skip buying two $1.00 lottery tickets each year and do something worthwhile with your money!

Stop whining. And stop using 'intimidation' as an excuse.

Liberal Logic

So following the Liberal logic, ALL old and young REPUBLICANS have ID's and it is only the Democrats who are too poor or ignorant to have an ID!!!

To register to vote in North

To register to vote in North Carolina, you do not have to appear in front of anyone in order to get a voter registration card. You just have to send in a form that is properly filled out and signed. As long as you have access to the mail receptacle that the card is sent to, you can vote. This easily opens the state up for voter fraud.

Voter ID

Why all the rhetoric? In a few years all of us will be wearing computer ID chips under our skin anyway! Problem solved!

Quick question...and answer

How many cases of election day "voter fraud" in North Carolina have occurred in the past, let's say, fifty years? According to the state board of elections, and Speaker of the House Thom Tillis (R), 86 confirmed cases....out of 300 million cast ballots.

Got no problem with voter ID

I do have a problem with not accepting a college ID issued by an division of state government though.

the legislature is profiling voters who they think vote democrat by not allowing student ID's....
Vog

I would have had a problem

I would have had a problem with not accepting a college ID until I took my son to get one at BCC. We just walked in with his schedule and they gave him an ID. Nothing else required to prove that he was who he said he was.

I guess what you are saying

I guess what you are saying is that anyone could have walked in with your sons schedule and received your son's student ID?

I think another issue with allowing student id is that it could allow for a person to register in two separate states and vote in two states.

That is exactly what I am

That is exactly what I am saying. The schedule was just a piece of paper that had come in the mail.

I did not think of the fact that he could have a student ID in NC & a driver's license in SC & probably register to vote & vote in both places.

1971

When he registered he probably gave a boat load of identifying info that included Soc Sec number etc.......if he's got his schedule already the ID is a secondary concern at that point.

Vog

Had voter ID been in place

Had voter ID been in place for the last 6 years this country would not be in the mess it is in now, no one has a problem finding a valid id when it's money on the line, only when it's time to vote, strange don't you think?

What are you talking about?

What are you talking about? Requiring a photo ID would improve the economy faster and decrease unemployment? Or, do you believe that if we intentionally created obstacles to voting that only people you agree with would get elected?

Vote

Some group of people is getting ready to get disenfranchised. Why else would we need new voting laws?

Let me spell this out for you.

Voter Identification is required to validate that the person voting is a US citizen for one thing. Simply providing a name and an address is fully insufficient as proof of identification.

Can you cash a check without an ID? NO.
Can you get a passport without an ID? NO
Can you purchase a firearm without an ID? NO (I'm not including buying from Leroy on the corner of 4th and Castle).
Can you rent a car without an ID? NO.
Can you rent a hotel room or vacation condo without an ID? NO.
Can you buy alcohol without an ID? NO.
Can you open a checking or savings account without an ID? NO.
Can you withdraw money from your own checking or savings account without an ID? NO.
Can you pick up a prescription without an ID? NO.

These are only a few of the everyday life experiences most people perform. With these simple points identified, it only goes to reason that formal identification is to be required in order to legally vote. There simply is NO excuse NOT to!

Vote

You had to put a racist comment in there, didn't you? That is how you lose any credibility that you had.
We're not talking about buying guns, renting cars, etc. Try to keep your feeble mind on point.
We are talking about voting like my father did, his father did, and his father did. It was fine then and it is fine now.
It's not broken and it doesn't need fixing.

G-o-m

Think of how many of these activities were around when the first 14 or 15 amendments to the constitution were passed.
Think about how many elections came and went before checking accounts were established, cars ere invented, visas were required for over seas travel, and before alcohol purchasing laws were established......
It DOES seem a bit ludicrous to be requiring all this extra Identification now doesn't it? Especially if the info in another post is true - 86 cases of voter fraud out of over 399 MILLION votes cast?
I don't personally have a problem with IDs being required as I have one or two or 10.
Are we going too far?

Vog

"It was fine then and it is fine now."

No it wasn't, and it's not fine now either.

I can't think of one valid reason to be against ID, unless of course it's to perpetuate voter fraud.

Would Bubba make you feel better.

Don't like Leroy on the corner then substitute Bubba on the corner. Feel better now? It doesn't matter what the name or where they are located. To LEGALLY buy a gun you must show your photo ID and the same principle should apply to voting. You want to LEGALLY vote, you need to show your photo ID. Stop making making mountains out of mole hills.

So Guest-o, what you're

So Guest-o, what you're really saying is only those people who have income to support the needs/activities you list should be allowed to vote.

Yes you can pick up a prescription without an id, un-less it's a controlled substance . . . . that must be what you have to do frequently.

I imagine 99% of those over the age of 75, and under the age of 22 don't need to do several of the things you list, however they should not be denied the right to vote!

Exactly how many voter fraud problems/cases/issues have we had in the great state of North Carolna in the past 4-5 years?

Stop trying to fix a non-existent issue, own up to what you're really trying to do - rig the vote in favor of people who look& think like you.

There are some with the

There are some with the valid medical need for narcotic medication. There is nothing wrong with that, as long as it is obtained legally. You don't have to be a user of medication in order to know that you need to show your ID for that. You also have to show ID to buy certain sleeping medications.

Man, do I hope you never have the need for narcotic medication. I would hate for someone to think that you are an addict.

Both of my children are under the age of 22 and can very easily provide proof that they are citizens of the United States. It's not that hard. It's not that hard to get an ID so you can vote. If you have to provide proof of who you are to do those things GOM described, then shouldn't you have to provide proof that you are legally eligible to participate in the most important thing that you can do as an American citizen?

Plenty

From What you're really saying: "I imagine 99% of those over the age of 75, and under the age of 22 don't need to do several of the things you list...."

So according to you people under 22 or over 75 don't need to cash checks, get a passport for school trips or vacations, don't rent hotel rooms or cars, don't buy alcohol or pick up prescriptions?

You must not get out much.

Voter ID

The whole movement for voter ID sounds good on the surface. However the devil is in the details. Voter ID laws are a solution for a problem that does not exist. This law does almost zero to stop voter fraud. Voter fraud is very rare and the vast majority of voter fraud is done through absentee ballots which this law does not address at all.

The main reasoning behind the law is to make it more difficult for elderly, poor, handicapped and college students to vote. These groups of people generally vote for democrats more than republicans so the republicans have decided to put up more obstacles to voting.

Why in the world would a university ID not be valid? Because college students vote for the democrats more than the republicans.

We should be doing more to make it easier to vote, not more difficult. What is on the horizon now? What else can the NC House and Senate do to make it more difficult to vote? Watch out for the elimination of early voting and/or the reduction in the days and times one can early vote.

Untrue

we have a senator in office right now that won as a result of voter fraud. Because of that SINGLE senator Obamacare was passed. So..it DOES matter. As far as I'm concerned if ONE SINGLE person votes who shouldn't that's enough to institute protections.

"The main reasoning behind the law is to make it more difficult for elderly, poor, handicapped and college students to vote." I call BULL CRAP! The poor, elderly and handicapped most likely have valid ID for government assistance. If your a college student you most likely have a drivers license. If not, your MORE than capable of obtaining and ID. If your too LAZY to get an ID to ensure the validity of our elections, then you shouldn't vote!

Fraud???

"we have a senator in office right now that won as a result of voter fraud. Because of that SINGLE senator Obamacare was passed."

Please show verifiable proof that your statement is true. I am for voter ID, if for no other reason than to end the absurd claims like yours. If people cannot/will not go through the process to obtain an ID, I doubt seriously they will go through the process to vote. The people claiming that Obama won re-election because of voter fraud are idiots and need to quit eating sour grapes. The truth is that a Republican is going to have a hard time ever winning the White House again until the radical fringe loses control of the party. The possibility of Hillary Clinton winning in 2016 should be enough to bring them to their senses. Moderation and a willingness to represent all of the people (or even most of the people)is what it is going to take. Both parties play the voters for fools......and win. Issues such as gun control, abortion, same sex marriage, etc. divide the public as both parties steal us blind. How about a mandate form all the citizens of this country that a complete and total audit of all levels of government be performed to show how all tax money is spent? In my opinion, anyone against this would be one of the thieves..........

Voter fraud

If NC is going to require am ID to vote, it has to set up a system to get free IDs to the people that do not have one. If you require an ID to vote and then require the voter to pay for the ID, then that is just an update to the poll tax used for years to suppress voters. The poll tax is illegal.

As a poll worker, I will abide by the law and check IDs if that is what I must do. As a legal issue, NC must set up a system to get people without IDs a chance weeks or months to obtain an ID free of charge. Regardless of your BULL CRAP statement, this law is just a way to keep democratic leaning voters away from the polls.

I'm required to have a

I'm required to have a license to drive, yet I pay for my license. I am required to have my car inspected every year. I pay for the inspection, if I don't I get fined. I am required to renew the registration on my car every year. I pay that fee as well. I am also required to carry insurance on my car. Guess what? I pay that, too. If I don't, I get fined.

I have the right to bear arms. If I want a gun, the money comes out of my pocket. I am required to pay sales tax at the cash register. And anyone who has ever owned a house knows that they tax you coming and going. Who is responsible for paying that? The homeowner.

The democratic voters have the same access to state-issued identification as the republican voters, the libertarian voters, the green party voters, the independent voters, the Constitution party voters and the unaffiliated voters. I could go on, but you should get the point by now.

If you want to talk about keeping specific parties away from the polls, you should address the ballot-access laws in North Carolina. It should be easier to get parties added to the ballots.

And as a poll worker, you should know that I could walk into the poll where you work and claim to be any woman in the County and vote there as long as I can tell you the address.

If I already pay for food, housing, cell phones, medical care..

...and babies on the welfare system, I'll throw in a few more bucks to get them a freekin' ID too, if it's all about a $15.00 ID. But it isn't and that's where the problem lies!

For the life of me, in todays world with all of the technology and conveniences that are afforded even to those that won't get off their lazy butts to do anything for themselves, I cannot muster up a hint of a reason why anyone would NOT have a valid ID in their pocket! It simply doesn't make sense.

If you're disabled, that may be one reason and that can be assisted. Being poor? Being a student? Being elderly? Those are simply NOT valid reasons to avoid having an ID, they are nothing other than feeble excuses. You seem to place the "democratic leaning voters" in the dark ages that have no resources, no help and that nobody has compassion for. DOH! Well...maybe you're on to something!

This is America

In the USA, which is supposed to be a free country, if you don't want to carry an ID you don't have to. It is as simple as that. I can think of one good reason not to carry one and I just gave it.
Nazi, communist, and socialist countries require IDs; not America.

Very true

You don't have to carry ID, but if you want to vote you will need to show ID. But you still don't have to carry it, it will just mean you are not allowed to vote. That boils it down to you choose not to carry it and deal with the repercussions of that decision.

You think of it as "NAZI" methodolgy simply to have an ID?

You really need to brush up on your history before making such statements of references to nazi-ism! All of that "superior intelligence" you proclaim just isn't coming through.

The ID to vote requirement is only to validate a voters identification so that a valid vote is cast by that citizen. It has nothing to do with race, socio-economic status, gender or any sort of divisive manipulation as you seem to believe. One vote per LEGAL citizen that is of age and not a convicted felon, that's it. With the over-run of illegal people flooding into our country, they do not have the right to vote for American politicians and that has to be enforced. 12-14 million non-citizens showing up at the polls will make a huge difference in the outcome.

Now, here's a little history 101 for you: The nazi requirement of "Papers please!" had to do with the identification of certain ethnic/racial segments that were the target of annihillation and eradication by the nazi regime. Here's your homework Grasshoppah: Please make your best effort at an attempt to show us exactly where nazi-ism is even remotely, in any form or fashion, related to the voting validity identification requirements as proposed here in America and encouraged by the vast majority of citizens.