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NC bill would punish those who harm, kill fetuses

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BY EMERY P. DALESIO
Associated Press

RALEIGH, NC (AP) -- North Carolina Republicans and some crime victims are promoting legislation to make it a felony for an attacker to kill or injure a fetus at any stage of development.

Rep. Dale Folwell of Forsyth County said Thursday the proposed legislation would expand to the rest of the state a law already in effect on federal property like Camp Lejeune and the Blue Ridge Parkway. The federal law was approved in 2004 after the 2002 death of a pregnant California woman, Laci Peterson.

More than two-thirds of the states have laws allowing homicide prosecution for someone who causes the death of a fetus. About half the states define a fetus starting with conception.

The bill makes clear that the provisions don't apply to legal abortions.

(Copyright 2011 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

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What about the mothers that

What about the mothers that damage their own unborn with alcohol and tobacco consumption? Are they going to be held responsible if the fetus were to die from what they ingested?

Free Choice

So what you are saying is if a person gets pregnant accidently ( as birth control is not 100 percent ) . She should not have the choose or whether it is time for her to be a mother? I don’t agree with that so we allow her to be a mother :
1. Then she is not capable of carrying for the kid ( here goes the taxpayers )
2. Or better yet God forbid she kills the kid.
3. Or she neglects him / her
4. Or does not parent the kid correctly and the kids becomes part of this already crazy world and has problems in life cause his parent did not want him to being with
5. Or they allow the system to take care of the kid

My point is this should always be a free choice for the person that is actually going to be taking care of the kid

Or can they come by your house when they need help with supporting the kid ( doubt it )

What about drug addicted babies?????

You know , the ONLY action our state takes to babies born addicted to drugs is...you guessed it...they take the child away!! It should be a CRIME against the mother who causes this severe punishment to an innocent child!! How's that for "harm" to a fetus? This is a far more common issue! What about convicting the mothers of attempted murder? These lil ones have to endure sometimes severe withdrawals with all sorts of complications! And not to mention the obstacles with learning difficulties and quiet possibly future addicts themselves. Especially when the "system" works to reunite these children with their poor excuses of parents! We MUST do more to protect the unborn, I AGREE!

OOOOO-K

This is what gets me....I kill a woman who is 12 weeks pregnant....which in turn kills the fetus....MURDER

A woman walks into an abortion clinic and has a fetus sucked out in pieces at 12 weeks....NOT MURDER...

SOMETHING WRONG with this picture???? THIS is the exact type of crap that is wrong with out country....get on one side of the fence and STAY THERE...we are playing the fence here calling it one thing while we look one direction and another when we face the other direction....EITHER IT IS...OR IT ISN'T MURDER....FIGURE IT OUT!!!

Typically...

It is typically the intention of a person who is attacking a pregnant woman to cause harm to the fetus, a matter the woman has no control over. Bringing harm to another person simply because of willful negligence or malice is an inconsiderate, albeit irresponsible, action.
In having an abortion a woman is often taking into consideration 3 things:
1. her life
2. the quality of life for the child
3. her ability to mother, etc

Seems it is a considerate action to choose the abortion process in that taxpayers will not have to foot the bill for her and the child's upkeep and she herself can continue to pursue whatever goals she may/maynot have.
Judge not, it is a matter of choice. Just because a person is pro-choice doesn't mean they think abortion is the only option.
When someone attacks a preganat woman or decides to drive drunk and hits a woman with fetus in tow what leads up to the final outcome all boils down to a matter of choice. Those who choose to be willfully neglient of the safety of others or to inflict harm should be treated as the criminals they are, not the woman who is making a cognitive choice to better her life whatever she may choose.
Make sense now?

OK

The WHOLE premise behind allowing abortions is that a fetus...ISN'T a person...it's a THING...how then can you murder a THING AT ANY time, whether you want IT or not..if it's a person in there...your committing MURDER either way...your just trying to make yourself feel better about it is all...

"Bringing harm to another person simply because of willful negligence or malice is an inconsiderate, albeit irresponsible, action."

Isn't that what is happening to the defenseless child in the womb when they are aborted? By saying a fetus can be MURDERED in the womb is admitting it really isn't what you are calling it...its a child in there.

Thanks for this well written

Thanks for this well written post. I am a woman without children who has had to have an hysterectomy, thus precluding me from ever having children.

I am staunchly and unabashedly pro-choice, however. I would like to live in a world where women AND MEN take birth control measures and where these measures work 100% of the times; I would like to live in a world where any one who can have a child can also afford him/her and take care of him/her; I would like to live in a world where women are not raped or forced to have sex against their will; I would like to live in a world where every child is loved and not abused.

But I don't live in that world. Most women who make the choice to have an abortion do so because they realize that going through months of pregnancy and having and raising a child cannot happen due to many reasons, including economics, family, lack of health care, etc.

No woman I know who's ever had an abortion did so for fun. There are plenty of children out there who are already born and are abused or not cared for or in foster care or looking to be adopted.

Ultimately, I believe that each and every woman is intelligent enough to make the decision to have or not have a child. No one - not the state, not a man, not another woman - should come between the woman and her choice, for whatever reason, to have an abortion.

I also find it ironic that it is often those who want government out of private affairs who would want to make abortion illegal.

Hmmm.

You speak as if woman is the ultimate arbitrator between right and wrong. The same individuals who would have a child sucked out of their bodies CRY BLOODY MURDER when a flipping cat is killed!

THANK YOU

Thank you very much for saying that! I am pro choice and I do not feel that abortion is the only option! I myself would never choose that but that doesn't mean I will take away someone's right to choose! Just want to thank you!

Welcome

You are welcome ladies, and thank you for the support! It is nice to see like-minded and intelligent women able to think complexly and independently freely expressing their beliefs.
God bless this country!

To the poster above speaking of drug addicted infants, I concur. A mother who does drugs throughout her pregnancy that bring harm to the fetus should be treated as a criminal. There is no excuse for smoking crack, shooting heroine, or eating narcotics, etc. during pregnancy. It is selfish and negligent.

This should also include the

This should also include the use of alcohol and tobacco...both harmful to the fetus as well as the mother. What goes into her body goes into the babys.

You said, "Seems it is a

You said, "Seems it is a considerate action to choose the abortion process in that taxpayers will not have to foot the bill for her and the child's upkeep and she herself can continue to pursue whatever goals she may/maynot have."
I am a taxpayer. So, you are guaranteeing that I will not have to "foot the bill for her" for the rest of her life? Does she sign a legal document saying she will never go on welfare if she has the abortion? And as far as her fetus' "upkeep", there are millions of people in this state, in the USA and in this world that would love to have the opportunity to "foot the bill".
Convenience is not a reason to have an abortion. Why is that mother's life and goals more important than her unborn child's? What dreams and goals does the child have? What rights? Apparently, the only rights they have happens only if they are murdered by states standards.

Swoosh

You completely missed the point of the entire post. Ironically, I am a taxpayer too. :}
This is not a bill for anti- prochoicers to have a heyday with, it is a bill meant to provide proper punishment for the particular breed of scum that would bring harm to a woman and her unborn child.
Since she is ultimately responisble for the child in the end, a woman has the right to choose whatever path she may take, period.
When someone attacks her maliciously with the (alleged) intention not only to harm her but her child as well she has no choice in that matter, only instinct.
I could go on for hours about our flawed welfare system and how there are those that take full advantage of it for personal gain. That, however was not the intention of my original post. Those of us with a decent level of intelligence need no elaboration in the sad state of welfare and abandoned children.
"If you can't feed your baby, then don't have a baby!"