Secession petitions gather support in NC, across country
 

WILMINGTON, NC (WWAY) -- The United States are not so united tonight as rumors that history may repeat itself circulate. Petitions on the White House's website suggest that citizens across the country are not happy with the way things in washington are going and want a major change.

Petitions to secede from the United States started popping up shortly after the election last week. Citizens from more than 20 states, including North Carolina, have filed petitions to secede from the union.

With more than 20,000 signatures in less than a week, the Tar Heel State's petition is quickly approaching the 25,000 signatures required to get a response from the Obama Administration.

UNCW sociology professor Dr. Mike Adams says the movement may be a glimpse of what is to come.

"I don't think that this particular petition drive is going to result in anything," Adams said. "When people ask if I take this petition seriously, no I don't. It's a foretelling, though, of things that might be taking place later on."

Adams says when the south seceded from the union more than 150 years ago, it took a while for traction to build.

Other people say the petitions are a joke and merely the response of sore losers.

"It's funny because of the current situation and states wanting to secede from the union? Really? Why? Nobody has a good enough reason why," Nicholas Oates of Wilmington said.

Others say the requests signify a larger problem in Washington.

"I think really the only thing that needs to be taken seriously is just the fact that there is some disenchantment with the process, and that everyone in Washington needs to learn how to work together," Mark Kennedy of Wilmington said.

The Texas secession petition has nearly 80,000 signatures. The White House has not yet responded to the petition.

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It is with out doubt, that our government has drifted FAR from it's routes over the past 100 or so years, and now represents the very thing that we seceded from originally in 1776. We, the American people, need to revisit our routes and purge our authoritarian federal government, in pursuit of freedom, liberty, and justice. I have links to all 50 states petitions, and most of their duplicates here:

stevemeadedesigns(dot)com/board/topic/155641-individuals-from-all-50-states-start-petitions-to-the-white-house-asking-for-a-peaceful-secession-from-the-us/

This is a historical movement that now has over a MILLION supporters. Do what's right, America. Let's get our freedom back!

Just asking? Wonder what many of the people who voted for Obama would be saying now if he had lost? There were threats of violence and riots if he did - so what does that say about you?

With that being said, no I am not happy with him winning but the seceding thing is ridiculous. If you don't like it, pack your bags and go. We'll help you load your suitcases on the plane, the bus, the train or your car or you can stay and act like Americans and fight for the better.

Those who favor secession are acting like Americans. Our American ancestors seceded from England. They had to fight their way through it and they won. The Confederate States acted like America's forefathers by fighting for independence for a second time. Unfortunately, Lincoln didn't want to let go of the power or the taxes that the South brought to the table. We lost that war because Jefferson Davis wasn't willing to sink to the depths that the Union army did. Hopefully, our next fight for independence will be successful, but I seriously doubt it. Our government schools have been indoctrinating the masses for far too long.

Just asking? Wonder what many of the people who voted for Obama would be saying now if he had lost? There were threats of violence and riots if he did - so what does that say about you?

With that being said, no I am not happy with him winning but the seceding thing is ridiculous. If you don't like it, pack your bags and go. We'll help you load your suitcases on the plane, the bus, the train or your car or you can stay and act like Americans and fight for the better.

This bs has really gotten too far! For all of you supporting this, you're wasting everybody's time and nothing's going to come of it. Your man lost, tough! Deal with it, you can vote again in another 4 years. You all should be ashamed of yourselves supporting this psychotic idea and to think you call yourselves Americans? Seriously? I NEVER heard anybody mention secession when GWB was in, and he literally destroyed our country. I should make a petition that anybody who signs that stupid secession petition should be forced to go live with the Taliban since that's what these right wing losers want, then call your country UTL (United Teabaggers of Losers!).

I signed the pettion, not because I am a sore loser, but because I think the Feds of to much control. It's time for our State to rule and the Feds to butt out .

Why don't you just pack your bags and leave then if you're not satisfied?

Have some people just gone mad??? Separate from the USA??? and do what??? and support yourselves how??? Here is one of the best parts about the USA...if you don't like it...LEAVE!!! You may not like the election results, but aren't we blessed to be able to have an election?!

If you don't like it, do something about it! That's what these petitions are all about. We all know they will never happen, but you can bet your @$$ that this is the voice of the people saying they've had enough!

Some serious changes are coming my friend! The societal leeches sucking on the taxpayer teat need to find a new source of food!

Rather than chicken out and try to run away like cowards, I'd much rather see this state remain in the union and fight for the things that make this country great. Washington has plenty of issues but they can be corrected...we can be a part of the solution.

Where's the petition to ignore the petition to secede? :-)

For all of you who are putting down the people signing this position and even for the one who said that whoever signs it can't be a Christian I have three words for you: "Declaration of Independence".

Our rights come from our "Creator". The government exists by the "consent of the governed" therefore the "governed" have a right to the dissolution of the government.

The Confederacy of Takers
by Dana Milbank (Washington Post)

President Obama’s opponents have unwittingly come up with a brilliant plan to avoid the “fiscal cliff.” They want to secede from the union.

If Obama were serious about being a good steward of the nation’s finances, he’d let them.

The White House, in one of those astro-turf efforts that make people feel warm about small-d democracy, launched a “We the People” program on its Web site last year, allowing Americans to petition their government for a redress of grievances. Any petition that receives 25,000 or more signatures within 30 days is promised a response (though not necessarily a favorable one) from the Obama administration.

And so a large number of patriotic Americans, mostly from states won by Mitt Romney last week, have petitioned the White House to let them secede. They should be careful about what they wish for. It would be excellent financial news for those of us left behind if Obama were to grant a number of the rebel states their wish “to withdraw from the United States and create [their] own NEW government” (the petitions emphasize “new” by capitalizing it).

Red states receive, on average, far more from the federal government in expenditures than they pay in taxes. The balance is the opposite in blue states. The secession petitions, therefore, give the opportunity to create what would be, in a fiscal sense, a far more perfect union.

Among those states with large numbers of petitioners asking out: Louisiana (more than 28,000 signatures at midday Tuesday), which gets about $1.45 in federal largess for every $1 it pays in taxes; Alabama (more than 20,000 signatures), which takes $1.71 for every $1 it puts in; South Carolina (26,000), which takes $1.38 for its dollar; and Missouri (22,000), which takes $1.29 for its dollar.

Since the effort gained attention this week, copycats in all but a few states have joined the petition drive. To be fair, White House officials could refuse the secession petitions of states Obama won, such as New York (which gets only 79 cents on its tax dollar), Michigan (85 cents) and Colorado (79 cents).

What would be left is a Confederacy of Takers, including relatively poor states such as Alaska, West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas and Mississippi. One of the few would-be Confederacy members that pays more than it receives is Texas, which because of oil money is roughly break-even at 94 cents of benefits for its tax dollar. (The statistics, from an analysis of tax and revenue data by the nonpartisan Tax Foundation, were published in 2006, but the broad pattern doesn’t vary much over time.)

Depending on how aggressive a fiscal hawk he wishes to be, Obama could also try to offload onto the Confederacy of the Takers North and South Dakota and Montana ($1.73, $1.49 and $1.58 in benefits, respectively), but this would probably only work if Canada agreed to allow overflight rights for American aircraft to reach the West Coast states of Washington, Oregon and California (88 cents, 97 cents and 79 cents on their tax dollars, respectively).

Possibly, the new United States would need to negotiate certain protectorates in the Confederacy — Austin, New Orleans, South Florida and the like — the way the British did in Hong Kong. Then there is the awkward matter of what the breakaway nation would do to its poor.

But once the handout states left the union (and took with them a proportionate share of the federal debt), the rest of the country could enjoy lower taxes and the high level of government service typical of the Northeast, the Great Lakes and the West Coast.

There would also be non-financial benefits. Tampa’s Central Command, now caught up in the David Petraeus sex scandal, would be the new nation’s problem. And the exit of several Southern representatives from Congress would give Democrats a solid governing majority.

Of course, secession isn’t as easy or as painless as an electronic petition, and Obama couldn’t offer a redress of these petitioners’ grievances even if he wanted to. Nor should he want to: The Union of the Makers would be fiscally healthy but spiritually poor without the Confederacy of the Takers.

Yet would-be rebels from the red states should keep in mind during the coming budget battle that those who are most ardent about cutting government spending tend to come from parts of the country that most rely on it.

Wow, people sure do have short memories. Lets look at what would happen if you were somehow able to secede:

Taxes: Be prepared to pay 2x to 3x more in taxes, because once you secede all the federal money that helps support schools and highways disappears.

Fuel Prices: Enjoy your $7 or $8 per gallon gas, because you will be importing close to 100% of your fuel from somewhere else. Do you honestly think North Carolina has billions to invest in building its own refineries?

Investments, 401K, Mutual Funds: Kiss all that goodbye.

Car Prices: Last time I checked, North Carolina has little in the way of automobile manufacturing capabilities so get ready to pay tariffs and additional taxes on all the cars you import from Detroit.

Federal Disaster Aid: Next time we get hit by a Fran or Floyd, don't expect to receive all that Federal money you get from a Disaster Area Declaration, have American Red Cross assistance or have FEMA deliver food and temporary housing. Expect to be living in a tent for a few years...just look at the people in Haiti still trying to recover from an earthquake.

Honestly, the level of stupidity of some people amazes me. They are so blinded by their anger at the results of the election they react childishly and completely fail to consider the long term consequences. Grow up people!

Just a few responses for you...

Taxes - Where do you think the Federal money comes from - TAXES - so instead of paying into a system that wastes money on ridiculous things & supports the freeloaders of the world we can take what we pay in Federal Taxes and put them into our new nation's treasury and be just fine.

Fuel Prices - Nothing to stop the states truely wanting to seceede from banding together and making one nation instead of many different small ones or acting cooperatively - Louisiana & Texas will on our side so no worries there.

Investments - My money in my 401K & Mutual funds is mine. I am sure we can find our own way to recreate these bigger & better.

Car Prices- Cars are built all over the world and there are car manufacturing locations in the areas that want to secede. We don't have to buy crap out of Detroit.

Federal Disaster Aid- I've seen FEMA & the Red Cross in action - we'll take our chances with local disaster relief groups - we can take care of ourselves.

really people Obama is a good president and he needs people that work with him. Get over it the democratic process works and Obama is who the people choose so get over it or move.

Why is it that when WWAY reports on something such as an "online petition" there is not a link to the petition? This is not the first time that the "Four W's" we're not covered in a WWAY report.

Wilmington Observer

Reading the comments above, its amazing to see the short sighted and simple comments the left wing liberals post. Do you really believe this is about black and white? Really? That has NEVER been an issue, and it has only been raised by liberals accusing others of being racist because they don't or won't follow the current president. Idiots.

This is about the destructive path that the current government is taking our country, the increasing debt, the weakening of our dollar, sinking investments, and "apologizing for being Americans". Nothing about black and white.

Well said. I'm in agreement with you.

I always thought there were more crazy people up north. Hello -- hello -- reality calling...

No, they ARE crazier up north but they've moving down here and then infiltrating our system with their complaints about the way we are down here and wanting to make it like it was up there! They should have stayed up there......

Hellooooooo .... Time to get over that little conflict back in the 1860's and start living in the present.

By the way, if someone is capable of infiltrating your system, your system sucks!

you really think it's all the yankees infiltrating the south starting these petitions? Hmm. If that's the case, let me go to a state where I can vote they way I want. My candidate didn't win this time, but at least no one told me how I had to vote. I'll stick to my democracy any day, even when my candidate doesn't win.

Well, here we go again, showing the rest of the country just how ignorant we are in the south. Way to go, NC...

Speak for yourself.

40 states have now started petitions. So I guess there are "ignorant" people everywhere.

It is humor to hear americans speak about christ and country in the same sentence.
When christ returns (according to ur bible) the countries of the earth will be united in
Battle against him. So exactly why are you loyal to a government controlled land mass called
A state? Is ur citizenship here or in the kingdom of God? Hell will be full and now you
Know why. But as the prophet says (as for me and my house we shall serve Ehyeh-God of
Abraham,isaac, and jacob.) @theJudahite

Kind of funny how people like you make the gregarious comments like this. When the people that provide your free stuff start talking about removing themselves from the money pot, it scares tha hell out of you doesn't it?
Enjoy that gravy train! It's coming to a positive stop soon! The working and productive portion of America is speaking and has had enough of the lazy, unproductive leeches of society!

AMEN TO THAT

Gregarious:(1) tending to associate with others of one's kind, (2)Social: marked by or indicating a liking for companionship

More people would take you seriously if you actually knew what you were talking about.

They had their chance to make a chance!! But didn't vote the right way!