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Bill would let permit holders take guns into restaurants with alcohol


WILMINGTON, NC (WWAY) -- How well do guns and alcohol mix? A new bill in the General Assembly would allow people with concealed carry permits into restaurants where alcohol is served.

This is not the first time gun activists have pushed for this bill, but with recent debate on gun rights, not everyone thinks it's a good idea.

"I think that if a person is legally entitled to carry a concealed weapon, I don't think the location matters as much as a person with a weapon," said Ricci Wright, the store manager at Shooter's Choice in Wilmington.

The concern for many is if guns and alcohol should mix.

"As far as introducing alcohol in the situation, on the surface that sounds bad, but those same folks are driving back and forth to those restaurants, so assuming they have control of their intake of alcohol whether or not legally impaired for driving an automobile I'm assuming they have the same responsibility for their weapon," Ricci said.

Others disagree. They say just like having a designated driver, you should have a designated gun holder.

"As far as someone you know, someone being able to bring a loaded weapon into a restaurant where people are drinking, I don't think it's a very good idea," bartender Andrew Flynn said.

Many question if this will keep people safer. One supporter of the bill says it's OK only if the restaurant owner allows it.

"If you have the right to bear arms, I think it becomes upon the owner of the establishment whether he wants you in or out with a weapon," Thomas Russell said. "But you should have the right to carry a weapon all times, except where someone says you can't that owns the building."

Advocates argue that restaurants that serve alcohol are spots where law abiding gun owners are vulnerable to criminals.

The bill would also keep the names of concealed carry permit holders from being public information.

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I guess you don't ever have

I guess you don't ever have to walk from the restaurant to your car? And you never eat downtown where you are exquisitely safe walking between the restaurant and the parking deck? And the parking deck has such excellent video surveillance security and law enforcement presence that you are 100% safe?

I'm really surprised that you miss the point...

As a gun owner

I cringe at the thought of having guns and alcohol together in the same place.
If you can get stopped for DWI and lose your license for repeat offenses then you should lose your gun permit as well.

Get the FACTS

I don't know why it's so difficult for people to obtain and report on FACTS.

Article 54B (referenced section in proposed bill)

(c2) It shall be unlawful for a person, with or without a permit, to carry a concealed handgun while consuming alcohol or at any time while the person has remaining in the person's body any alcohol or in the person's blood a controlled substance previously consumed, but a person does not violate this condition if a controlled substance in the person's blood was lawfully obtained and taken in therapeutically appropriate amounts or if the person is on the person's own property.

Further, the bill addresses carry in RESTAURANTS that serve alcohol--NOT BARS.

"IF" my sister were a man, she would be my brother...

Law abiding and responsible CCP holders are prohibited from drinking ANY alcohol while carrying concealed.

A person will not be granted a CCP if they have outstanding, current or multiple DWI convictions.

"IF" a CCP holder even gets charged (not convicted) with a DWI, that CCP is automatically revoked on the spot. There's no "IF" in this equation, it's the law.

It is a specifically and heavily emphasized point of the CCP instruction that firearms and alcohol are to never be combined and is fully prohibited as a requirement of holding the CCP.

See Vog, there actually ARE responsible people in this world that do the right thing, obey the law and are outstanding citizens. We don't hear about them simply because of that fact. The media will not publish acts of good will by law abiding citizens because it just doesn't contain the shock factor that makes them money. It's only the criminals creating mayhem that they sensationalize in the news these days. So, don't cringe too much or chip your teeth from chattering. It'll be okay and you don't have to hide in the dark, obscure corner of the restaurant to enjoy your dinner, no matter what they tell you.

"IF my sister were a man,

"IF my sister were a man, she would be my brother"...(Unquote)

That's kinda like...If a gay guy and a Lesbian got married, and had kids...would they, to society, be......%$^*%&^%$*$_)(*&(?


I am well aware of the CCP rules. Thats why I said gun permit not CCP
So let me ask a question.
According to the proposed regulation a restaurant can post conspicuous "No guns allowed" in his or her business.
A person with a CCP gets caught - no alcohol in his system and is charged with a misdeamnor for bringing a concealed weapon in there.
A person charged with a misdemeanor also loses his CCP.

Vog...were you born that

Vog...were you born that stupid or did you take lessons?

the long and short answer to

the long and short answer to the question you posed to Vog-----"YES"

No Vog, first though...

CCP holders are taught the law as part of their training. They are taught when and where they are allowed to carry. Businesses posting "No concealed firearms allowed" mean that. A CCP holder that disregards that posting would be an idiot and would be subject to a misdemeanor if caught. A "misdemeanor" will not necessarily get your permit pulled. It depends on the classification of the misdemeanor, the severity and if violence were involved. In general though, it is advisable to obey the law to the best of your ability and avoid any infractions.

What is the purpose of your hypothetical scenarios? If you were aware of the CCP regulations as you state, you would know these answers. CCP holders do.

I'm not sure of your reference to a "gun permit". The only "permit" I'm aware of is the purchase permit that one applies for with the County Sheriff and is required for a weapons purchase from an FFL. A "permit" is not required to buy from an individual in a person to person sale.

Actually, a permit IS

Actually, a permit IS required for a personal sale:

Article 52A.
Sale of Weapons in Certain Counties.
§ 14-402. Sale of certain weapons without permit forbidden.
(a) It is unlawful for any person, firm, or corporation in this State to sell, give away, or transfer, or to purchase or receive, at any place within this State from any other place within or without the State any pistol unless: (i) a license or permit is first obtained under this Article by the purchaser or receiver from the sheriff of the county in which the purchaser or receiver resides; or (ii) a valid North Carolina concealed handgun permit is held under Article 54B of this Chapter by the purchaser or receiver who must be a resident of the State at the time of the purchase.




Without checking the current

Without checking the current laws for an exact quote, I believe that a first offense misdemeanor gives you the choice of a fine or relinquishing your permit...

Also, carrying in an establishment that is posted no carry I believe is trespassing--if you don't leave and they call law enforcement you might get charged.

But of course, if you are carrying concealed properly--key word being concealed--how is someone going to know you are carrying?


"But of course, if you are carrying concealed properly--key word being concealed--how is someone going to know you are carrying?"

My point exactly.
If you conceal effectively who's gonna know you're drinking while carrying?. IN a CCW case there's no legal limit - it's ANY alcohol - but if they can't see the weapon - who will REALLY care?
Alcohol and drugs are addictive which means people will find excuses to use them.
I WANT to believe Guesttenheimer that people who have CCW's are responsible law abiding citizens because MOST of them are - but we've seen repeatedly that this is in fact NOT the case.
Smart people do dumb things - and alcohol and drugs change perceptions as to what people "can get away with".