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Wilmington Baptist pastor says church won't drop Boy Scout troop

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WILMINGTON, NC (WWAY) -- The Southern Baptist Convention has approved a resolution opposing the Boy Scouts of America's new policy allowing gay scouts. The resolution also calls on the Boy Scouts to remove executive and board leaders who tried to allow gays as both members and leaders without consulting the religious groups that sponsor scout troops.

The decision has religious and scout leaders in Wilmington reacting.

Anchor Baptist Church is a growing Southern Baptist Church here in the Port City. Founding Pastor Jeff Nichols says his job is to unite people not divide them.

"Our position would be that we would not ask our scout troop to leave. I feel like the Boy Scouts themselves, the boys, are caught in the middle of this political football," Nichols said. "The resolution (by the Southern Baptist Convention) in Houston, they were trying to decide whether or not they were going to ask the Southern Baptist churches to remove the scout troops or remove their charters or ask them to leave, which each church is autonomous in the convention, so they can make their own decisions."

We tried to reach out to the Cape Fear Council of the Boy Scouts of America, but our calls were not returned. However Scout Executive Doug Clevinger did comment on this issue over the weekend.

"I honestly do not know what the impact on our local scouting program will be," Clevinger said in an interview with our partners at the StarNews. "It will likely take a couple of years to be able to evaluate how this has affected us."

But Pastor Nichols says he doesn't think this is going to be an issue.

"I think if we were in a major metropolitan area, and there was an agenda, that might be an issue," he said. "We are a Baptist Church here in Wilmington, NC, and I don't think it will be an issue here with Scout Troop 734, and we're not going to let the boys get caught in the middle of that, so we will continue with our support of this troop and what they stand for."

And even though the resolution does not recommend that Southern Baptists drop ties with the scouts, it does express support for churches and families that do choose to do so.

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Gay Scouts

The church exists to support and teach the word of God. There is no need for a church if it becomes a part of politics, by approving things like gays in scouts as a part of the church supported activities. Christians should not approve things which they feel are morally wrong, for the sake of "uniting people". There are plenty of secular organizations who will gladly fill that role.

I agree and churches

I agree and churches shouldn't avoid preaching on Biblical topics for fear of offending someone. I know a pastor who wouldn't touch the topic of abortion because it might offend a member of his congregation. My take on it was quite different. What if his preaching on abortion made one of his members realize it is wrong? If that kind of sermon could have saved one unborn baby, it wouldn't have mattered who was offended.

Guest

Agree
But if Christians were to follow the teachings of Christ and not have sex before marriage there'd be no need for as many abortions either.
And don't insult anyone by saying Christians don't have as many abortions as non Christians do.
Numerically speaking we are a Christian country. This belies the fact that many of us just don't follow "the teachings" or we dismiss the teachings we don't agree with.
Just playing the percentages means that Christians commit crimes, they practice unsafe sex and have abortions. They rail against loose morals then join swingers clubs it seems.

As a Christian I am against abortion and fortunately for me we didn't have to talk about this in my relationship with my wife.
Yes we had premarital sex, and used birth control.
Yes we smoked pot as youngsters.
Yes we drink (very little).

Yep I "pick and choose" which teachings I follow as well, we all do.
If we followed the "teachings" closely?
My guess is that with all the churches here in town we'd have no crime, very few abortions and no drinking establishments here.........

Vog

For Thought & Debate

I am a Christian but I also believe the Bible may not be 100% correct. In addition to homosexuality (Leviticus 18:22), here are some other prohibited activities:
* Eating Pork (Leviticus 11:7)
* Eating Shellfish (Leviticus 11:9-12)
* Wearing Clothes of Mixed Fabrics (Leviticus 19:19)
* Shaving (Leviticus 19:27)

For balance, these activities still get God's A-OK:
* Slavery (Exodus 21:7)
* Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)
* Child Abuse (Proverbs 22:15)
* Prejudice (2 John 1:10)
* Misogyny (1 Timothy 2:12)

Here's something I do still believe is good advice and it came from God's Son himself:

"Do to others as you would have them do to you" (Luke 6:31)

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but please stop using God and Christianity as your stalking horse.

Boy Scouts

It is funny they allow leaders that committ adultery with each other to remain as leaders, but they have a problem with Gay members.

Go figure.

gay scout leaders

perhaps people don't want gay scout leaders out camping in the woods with their children because of their odd sexual choices. i wouldn't let my son sleep in a tent with a man who gets excited by other males. wouldn't want a woman leader alone with my daughter either. Just a choice some of us make to keep our kids safe.
My child would be pulled from his scout troop if I founf out a gay was leading it. My preferance.

Gay Scout Leaders Reply

First of all, just because someone is a homosexual does not automatically make him or her a child molester....that would be like saying I'm not letting my son sleep in a tent with his aunt or any other grown female because she gets excited my men. It's all of these idiotic "gay" stereotypes that people have from the 1970's. "Gay" people are just like "straight" people, they just find love with whoever they fall in love with. And if you look at the numbers and statistics, there are more so called "straight" registered child molesters that "gay". Just remember that this is 2013 and that our minds need to realize it's not 1950!

Boy Scouts

Most boy scout troops are sponsored by Christian organizations and the boys scouts themselve is a group that promotes God, Country, and family. Then why is it that every good thing has to be destroyed by some form of evil or perversion that is against our faith, conscious, values and moral standards of a civil society. If a gay boy wants to be a scout, then they can start a gay scout organization and receive only gay members and gay faculty or staff. Evil always wants to destroy the good that exists in the world, and promote their life style of perversion. They are going to destroy scouting for all normal kids and religious kids just to push the gay agenda on everyone boy scout in America. We do not want to teach our children that God created two Adams, and not Adam and Eve in Genesis chapter 1:27-28. God destroyed the earth in Noah's time (genesis 6), because the world was wicked and their thoughts were evil. God destroyed Sodom because their sin was very great (genesis 18:20, genesis 19:4). The men of Sodom wanted to have sex with the two angels who went to destroy Sodom and were staying in Lot's house. In Leviticus 18:22 God said, "No man is to have sexual relations with another man." Just because the government promotes same sex marriage, and gays in the military; we as a Christian organization should not yield to the perversions of the world. If we do yield to every unsound doctrine, then we will destroy our souls and the church of Jesus Christ.

Evil

Your line of thinking is way more evil than a gay boy scout. It is nice of you to pick and choose which bible verses you adhere to. What about these ones?

"If a man commits adultery with another man's wife – with the wife of his neighbor – both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death." Leviticus 20:10

"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves." Leviticus 25:44

So if you are a true believer, you should own slaves and put adulterers to death.

That was the type of Baptist church I grew up with

Kudos to Pastor Nichols. The church I grew up in (Sinking Creek Baptist)preached against all kinds of sins and lifestyle choices but the doors were always open to all who wanted to enter. Seems too many churches have lost sight of that mission.

Amen

. . . Dr. Bishop, Amen!

Again...Why

I cannot, for the life of me, understand why these apparent "homophobes" want sexuality to be a part of, or topic for, scouting. If you disagree, or think you could "fix" them, wouldn't inclusion let them see the "benefits" of goodness? These are developing boys who are learning life skills, NOT sex...whether it be heterosexual, or homosexual. Neither orientation belongs as a topic in scouting.

Now THIS

is a Pastor of a Christian Church.
He see's how the non Church world operates but also sees through his own Church's assembly to realize that he can either end his Church's support of the Scouts or keep supporting them.
He chose to NOT let this political debate affect the Scouts his Church supports.
Nicely done Pastor Nichols - teaching tolerance without approving of the lifestyle but doing so in the best interest of the children.

Vog

No, THIS....

No...this is a Pastor who has sold out to the world. He has gone against God's Word to keep his standing in the community, perhaps out of fear of retribution or fear of losing his church. This is a Pastor who, like society, thinks that God changes from the Old Testament to the New. He doesn't. He still sees homosexuality as an abomination and is not surprised at those who so easily turn away.

Boy Scouts

No...This is PASTOR that has a heart for God, Salvation thru Jesus Christ, Love for people and my best friend... Get to know someone before you prove your ignorance to the world..

I also remember God calls us

I also remember God calls us to love one another and not to judge one another. Please take a moment to ponder on that before you start doing God's job of condemning people and sending them to hell. You may want to ask them to save you a seat down there.

So guest 6858

Where were YOU when the movie Tammy was advertising for lesbian extras for an upcoming scene?
Yeah I know sitting quietly on the sideline

Where were YOU when porn Star Ron Jeremy showed up in town the other day to shoot a scene?
Yeah I know sitting on the sidelines.
Not a peep from Christians about THAT perversion that state is SUPPORTING and encouraging with incentives.

How many gay boy scouts are there? Not many. These are boys who will more than likely leave scouting before they'll even know or think they are gay.
This preacher knows this and see's the insanity of your argument and is saying the boys shouldn't be caught in the middle. He is teaching tolerance, a good Christian value.

Vog

Mr. Vog46, et al.....

You know nothing about where I was, but apparently YOU were getting all of the info you could on this perversion. A Christian doesn't sit on a fence and approve of one thing and not another. He is either a Christian or he is not. I don't feel that you deserve an explanation of my Christianity. You would just slam it anyway. You will be in my prayers.

You have completely missed

You have completely missed the point! The Pastor has stated that the doors of the church are open to ALL kinds of sinners. He in no way stated that he supports homosexuality. Maybe allowing sinners into a church that teaches them about what sins are and how to be forgiven for those sin is quite possibly the direction we should all take.

breath of fresh air

Finally, a church leader willing to think for himself and open-minded enough to put aside his personal feelings for the greater good. Glad to see not all churches are stuck in the middle ages.

Churches...

Churches today would be better off if they were still teaching and living as though "stuck in the middle ages". This issue has everything to do with right and wrong and what the Bible says. Churches should not be giving in to political agendas and going along with what the world wants. A real God-fearing, Bible-teaching church should stand up for what is right and moral, and not be worried about offending those who are not true believers. That's the problem with the majority of churches today... they want to cater to the world, keep their membership numbers big, get those nice paychecks, and act as though the church is a social club. A lot of so-called Christians are going to be in for a rude awaking... very sad how the churches have allowed themselves to slip downhill over the years.

PeterPan

What article did you read? What does not punishing local kids for the decisions that don't have to affect them have to do with issues of right and wrong? What exactly does the Bible say about shunning innocent people for the sake of making a point? If you knew Jeff Nichols or Anchor Baptist Church, you would understand how misled your comments are. This has nothing to do with catering to the world or membership and everything about continuing to reach out to the community.

Pick and choose

You stated "This issue has everything to do with right and wrong and what the Bible says". Ok, please explain to me then why churches are not rising up all over the place and condemning people who have had a divorce? Why do they not shun members who happen to have to work on the sabbath? It's because we live in the 21st century, and what a shocker, they have to cater to the world! Speaking to your statement that churches should not be giving in to political agenda, I couldn't agree with you more. The fact remains, however, that most churches will gladly jump into the political fray if it furthers their agenda. I challenge you to find a church that doesn't subtly drop hints, or outwardly preach a certain viewpoint, around election time when a controversial issue is up for a vote.I guess it's perfectly fine for churches to have active involvement in political agendas then though, right?