Church's anti-gay sign vandalized
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WILMINGTON, NC (WWAY) -- A Wilmington church's sign is still making news. Seagate Community Chapel's sign has been making waves since last week when it was first posted. Now, the sign is in pieces, and police are looking for who's to blame.

The sign warning homosexuals to "turn or burn" was peacefully protested Sunday morning and broken Sunday night.

The sign at Seagate Community Chapel in Wilmington usually welcomes folks into the church. But it's been the focus of protests for an anti-gay message, which led to vandalism over the weekend.

Rachel Clary attended the peaceful protest Sunday morning. She says she never thought things would go this far.

"It was really, really disappointing," Clary said. "We felt that it kind of took away from the entire message that we were trying to put out there like respond to this message of hate with a message of love and peace, and for someone to decide to completely really undermine that and not join with us but instead try to get that message out in a violent way, we felt that was completely inappropriate."

Clary says she was offended by the sign, and she says she is not alone, but she cannot believe that it was destroyed. She says the protestors' interaction with the church was non-confrontational, and that's exactly what they had planned.

"We just wanted to send a peaceful message," Clary said. "Everyone was really on board with that from the very beginning."

Wilmington Pride president T.R. Nunley says ever since Nunley first found out about the sign, Nunley knew something had to be done, but Nunley never thought it would be criminal.

"We absolutely knew we needed to do something, but we didn't want it to be that kind of violence," Nunley said.

Nunley says, if anything, this sign just proves that there is still more work to be done to gain equality. Nunley says that Seagate Community Chapel may think homosexuals must turn or burn, but Nunley does not agree.

"They had their message, and we have ours," she said. "You know, being gay is OK."

We tried to contact Seagate Community Chapel this afternoon to get their take on the vandalism, but we not heard back.

The Wilmington Police Department says it is looking into the crime.

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It is loving to tell someone they are sinning. To you who say Jesus said to "Love your neighbor." He did but when He loved them, he cured them, he taught them, He fed them and he said "Go and sin no more." Jesus never tolerated sin, accepted sin: He loved the people--all of them. When the religious leaders asked him why he ate with sinners, He said, I came for the sick not the well. His purpose is to lead us in the right way. God has rules. He says, "If you love me, you will obey me."
The sign was a reminder that God loves us all. After all, he wanted us here on the earth. He knew you "before you were formed in your mother's womb." And that is a reason to be against abortion by the way. Standing on a corner and silently objecting to abortion is not hateful. Please.
A loving person does not want the one He or she loves to get hurt. So it is an obligation then in love to speak the truth in love. Decide if the sign was loving or not.
I had a friend who wondered why Christians kept telling her she was lost. I explained jsut think if you really beleived someone was going to die in hell, be without God forever, burn in hellfire; it really would be so unloving not to help the person on earth, wouldn't it? Walk a mile in another's shoes. We love gays. This says we love you, but you are in sin. No more no less.
Talk to someone who has turned from a life of homosexuality to the love of God. You might get a new view on whether homosexuality is a choice or not. Maybe. A real life story: From being on the streets prostitituing himself with men to becoming a Praise Leader in a church and with a beautiful family and young children. Ask him about the difference in his life!

Four observations:

1. Some Christians have twisted that a bit to read, "If you love God, you will obey ME". God is perfectly capable of dealing with those he disapproves of, He doesn't need you. And he very much resents you for claiming that your biases are his.

2 Your "real life story" is a fiction. Sure there are professional ex-gays and there are some who really believe it. But research conducted by two evangelical Christian professors at two ultra-conservative colleges (who really wanted to find these mythical people who discovered that homosexuality is a choice) concluded that there were no heterosexuals that resulted (or not as you and I would define "heterosexual"). All of them - every one - still experienced same-sex attraction.

3 Those who speak "the truth in love" are never interested in either. Never. What you call "the truth" is really just your church's teaching, and not based on any scientific evidence or even regular ol' observation. It's "truth" is simply dogma like the "truth" about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. And your "love" is just a word you throw in to make yourself feel good about holding other people liable to your beliefs contrary all real hard observable evidence.

4. Let's decide if the sign was loving:

Was it patient towards gay people? No, not really.
Was it kind? Most certainly not.
Was it lacking in envy? That one's hard to say.
Did it boast? Most defintely.
Was it proud? Without question.
Did it dishonor gay people? Not even you could deny this.
Did it keep a record of wrongs? Oh, you betcha.
Did it delight in evil? Turn or burn certainly seems to be awfully happy about the burn part.
Did it protect gay people, trust them to live their own lives, hope for their happiness, and persevere in granting them autonomy? Well, you might say it did exactly the opposite.

So, unless Scripture is wrong, there was no love coming from this church.

Four observations:
1. What background to you have to correct those who have placed their faith in the scriptures? You clearly refuse to see the historical facts of the Bible. You fail to see the responsibility the scriptures place on believers to go into the world to lead the lost to salvation. Your limited understanding causes you to fail at understanding the truth. If you don't believe in something you don't know if someone is twisting it to fit their world view.

2. Your second comment is pointless with no reference to resource. You're one of those who believes that homosexuality is more natural than heterosexuality. You rejoice at the idea that a person will walk out on their family to live the homosexual life. You clearly show your hate for something you don't understand and refuse to know.

3. Learn the difference between truth and fact. Just because you don't believe it doesn't make it false. No matter how much you refuse to believe in Jesus the facts show that he lives.
Your "love" is a twisted understanding of sex. They are not the same thing but you think they should be. Christians are not hold you liable to anything. Christians are not making you accountable for anything. Christians are warning you but you misconstrued it for condemnation. The truth is the homosexual agenda is forcing society to accept, nurture, and promote their behavior. Christians are not forcing anything on you. You're so thin skinned that you believe anything that speaks out against you is hate but your hypocrisy keeps you from seeing the truth about yourself.

4. The sign is about love. It address the person is loved by God. It address that the person is not the behavior. I was patient toward homosexuals and others who do not believe in God. God loves all but hates sin, no matter what the sin is. The sign was kind, it told you that God loves you. It did not condemn homosexuals. What is there to envy about the homosexual lifestyle, it is dangerous and unhealthy. Yes, it boasted. It boasted about the love of God. It was proud of the power of God's salvation through His son. For God so loved the World that He gave His only Son that who so ever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. It did not dishonor homosexuals, they dishonor themselves. There is nothing honorable about homosexuality. It did not keep a record of wrong. It pointed out that God hates sin, period. It is you who keeps a record of wrong because you don't know grace and forgiveness. Turn or burn is not delighting in evil, it is a warning to those who do not turn from their evil ways. Jesus spoke more about hell than he did about heaven. Homosexuals don't want to live their own lives. They want to force it on society. What protection is their in homosexuality. CDC records show that over 57% of all new AIDS/HIV cases are from men who have sex with men. Telling people of the dangers of the homosexual lifestyle is an offering of hope.

Homosexuals are seeking special rights. History and science, medicine and religion have all discredited homosexuality. The homosexual agenda is a political agenda. It offers no hope or benefit to society. God is being forced out of our public school system while GLSEN is pushing the homosexual agenda on children as young as 5 and 6 yro. And the worse part about it is parents are being prohibited from protecting their children from such lessons. When they stand up to protest they are threatened with law suites and incarceration. Who is forcing what on whom? It is the homosexualist who are pushing their unwanted lifestyle on society.

You don't believe love is coming from this church because you don't know what love is. Don't confuse love with lust.

Good! That Church is run by a bunch of Bible Thumping haters. Nobody hates better than them...

Perhaps no one hates better than Bible Thumping haters. But you're certainly giving them a tough competition.

Hate is hate whether coming from self-righteous people who think that God justifies their bigotry or whether coming from someone who thinks that 'other people's hate' justifies violence.

Both are based on - and justified by - the target. And thinking that others deserve what we would never accept for ourselves, based on who they are, is the basis behind all bigotry.

The christian's don't hate the gays..they are only going by their bible which says love the sinner but hate the sin.(they are only trying to help them to stop sinning. there ar several places in the old and new testament which talks about the evil of homosexual acts. It is not a sin to have homosexual tendencies, but it is to carry them out.

Oh, I don't know...you seem to be doing a pretty good job of that yourself.

With the way the "truth" gets new editions, it won't be long before the next one says, " Love Thy Neighbor...unless he's gay, or Mexican, or poor, or........

Religion is made of two components: God(s) and Humans.....which one might be the problem????????

In no version of the Bible does it say to persecute non-Believers, or taunt them (and their loved ones) with hateful words. They pretty much all say to tell them of the LOVE you have found with your God and share that with them, but if it is not for them, YOU LOVE THEM ANYWAY!!!!

Please stop whining about how Christians are persecuted while doing hateful and unGodly things to Others!!!! You get what you give! Your whole religion is about the one thing you can't seem to do...LOVE ONE ANOTHER!
Soapbox now available for next voice to be heard...Thank you for your time. - All Faith, No Belief. One Love.

Although the Bible doesn't tell believers to persecute or taunt unbelievers, it does say:

1 Corinthians 15:33
Do not be deceived: “Bad company ruins good morals.”

2 Corinthians 6:14
Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?

Just wanted to clarify.

If we are basing good morals on what Jesus based them on (treating others the way you want to be treated - on which ALL the law is subsidiary), then I'd be in better company almost anywhere but this church.

Something tells me that they won't miss your company.

Amen!

Just one question...God gave up and said this particular church gets to be his "judgement stand-in"? Look, if you're going to play Christian remember who said he is the ONE TRUE JUDGE. If you take that statement to be "true" and you claim to be a "Christian" ANYONE who passes judgement is playing God and I do believe that would be considered a "sin" no? Explain that one oh great and perfect "Christians".

Don't lump all Christians into the same category, because then you're doing the same thing the people at this church are doing....judging.

Judge not, lest ye be judged.
or
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Either one, I think would be good for this church's sermon next Sunday.

Freedom of speech. Freedom of religion. Freedom to be gay or not like gay people. You can say what you feel and be what you want. They have the right to put the sign up. They have the right to protest. I thought thats what our country was founded on? You don't have the right to destroy some elses things. Thats where the line got crossed. Really it boils down to the church was politically incorrect. We do still have that right dont we. I do believe that is the freedom of speech.

I agree entirely. Vandalism was wrong. These people should have the freedom to believe any nonsense they choose.

My own personal opinion is that the church should have omitted the "Turn or Burn" statement, and left the rest of the sign the way it was. Adding to the scripture isn't necesssary. The Bible says it better than "man" ever will.

You can tell those commenting on here are not Christians. God loves everyone, he hates sin. The price of sin is death. Death in sin lands you in one place, hell. Therefore the sign's message turn or burn means repent or spend eternity in hell. And yes non-believers will comment on this post and bash Christianity and bash God. For those people I pray every night tha God will find his way into your heart so that you may see the love God has for us all. But again, we can't take that love and spend our lives the way we want to. We are to abide by God's word and follow his laws in order to spend eternity on heaven.

I am not subject to the Law of Sin and Death. Perhaps you need a refresher on Christian theology. Next you'll be insisting that I sacrifice a lamb and wave a grain offering.

your explaining sin...doesn't make sense...YOU WILL DIE with sin..PERIOD..unless you get that golden opportunity before you draw your last breath to ask for forgiveness...your going to heaven with sin NOT forgiven. THAT isn't going to send you to Hell...accepting Jesus Christ into your heart is what keeps you out of Hell, nothing more, nothing less.

So ur explanation is accept Christ then live vicariously any way you choose?

I haven't attended church in years, but my parents took me when I was younger. We learned that you should love everyone and treat people with respect, no matter what race, religion, sexual preferance or culture they were! Things like this sign only add to the hatred in the world. I sure won't be going to THIS church, sounds like they need to read into the bible deeper and learn the ten commandments! and "freedom of speech", gee I thought that meant as long as it didn't condemn others?

I dont know what church you went to but the only thing the bible says about gays is that its an abomination in the eyes of GOD.Nowhere does it say anything about sexual preference,except for the disgust of homosexuality by GOD himself.Tolerance is not acceptance!!!!!

Wow...

Have you ever stopped to think about what kind of god you serve? I'm sure you think that if you were born in ancient Egypt that you'd still choose good over evil, but you seem more like the type who would fling their children to the crocodile god because their priest said they should.

You believe what you think your god says. Why? It seems that your god is a pretty nasty sort who hates people just out of whim.

A good and moral person would look at what your god has to offer and say, "Fine. Burn me in hell forever but I will not be cruel just because you want me to."

But that takes courage. And, of course, being a good and moral person.

(Fortunately, my God isn't so big on the hate stuff as yours)

Other things the Bible calls "abomination":

*eating shellfish
*eating eagles and vultures
*men wearing women's clothes/women wearing men's clothes
*lying

So it's not like homosexuality is something singled out as being especially bad. The "abomination" argument puts homosexuality on par with eating lobster and women wearing pants.

NONE of those are called out as "an abomination" save for a man lying with a man. They may be prohibited, but they are not singled out as abominations.

No sir or madam, YOU need to read the Bible deeper. Why is everyone in society today so afraid to admit what they believe and so intent upon offending no one? IT'S OKAY TO BELIEVE ONE THING OVER THE OTHER!! That's fine. But it seems to me that it's perfectly acceptable to tolerate whatever this society wants...good, bad or indifferent, yet tolerance of a true Christian is not given. Guess what? I wouldn't want to go to YOUR church. You, my friend, are a hypocrite.

You bring some valid points guest6858. I admit that and won't argue with you. I just think this world would be a better place w/o so much hatred upon people, that's all. And my parents quit going to church years ago, because it wasn't a "fellowship"...it appeared that the members just wanted to see who was wearing what and gossip about the town folks. That's not what it's about from what I learned. Just sayin.....

Judging one church and condemning all the others is like judging one person and condemning the whole human race. Every church is different, and sometimes you're going to find some that God Himself would not attend. But if you keep looking, God will lead you to the right church where He wants you to be. I hope you'll try.

I agree with you completely. I have been in some really good churches and have been in some that turned out to be complete duds. But, I never gave up finding the right one.