Shootings raise questions about gun laws

WILMINGTON, NC (WWAY) -- As more details about the shootings Friday in Connecticut and a murder right here in Wilmington the night before become available, the nation's mindset seems to shift from horror to anger and demands for change, specifically about gun laws.

"I just don't think you can legislate bad people and whatever instrument they use to express that evil with, whether it's a gun, a car, a rock or a big knife. It doesn't really matter, the results are the same," said Richard Wright, manager of Shooter's Choice in Wilmington.

Wright says he is appalled by the shooter at Connecticut's Sandy Hook Elementary. He does not think, though, his actions should speak for the people who follow the laws in place for owning and operating guns.

"To take everyone's right away because some crazy person did something that evil, no, it just doesn't work that way," Wright said. "I really believe that we have a natural right, a god-given right, to protect yourself."

There are some people, though, that feel the gun laws should be rewritten to provide a safer environment overall. Wilmington attorney Deb Butler is one of those people.

"As a fairly young nation, we have a 'maverick' mindset when it comes to owning guns, but society has evolved. It has changed," Butler said. "This isn't the wild, wild west anymore, and reasonable gun control is paramount."

Butler says guns do not need to go away altogether, but semi-automatic weapons are not necessary.

"There are reasonable time/place restrictions on a number of things, so extended waiting periods and the prohibition of assault rifles, semi-automatic rifles is reasonable in an evolved society," Butler said. "We must do it, and we must do it immediately."

An ABC News/Washington Post poll finds half of Americans say the Connecticut school shooting reflects broader problems of our society, not just the isolated acts of a troubled person.

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Read the 2nd Admendment, ONCE AGAIN.... PLEASE...**VOG**
If for ONE second that Kid, that was robbed & killed & robbed for a sandwich & 10 buck(s) & phone...

Had the chance of instead pulling out a 9mm Glock,Instead of a phone, One shot they would'a "scattered"...

I'm NO Conspircey "person" , though I think you really NEED to "review" some of these tapes I'm Linking here,
WWAY please let Me link..

You as a PARENT, I know HOW I would act, NOT like these people..
(THIS "Father"....)...
Then , Go read the HSEEP Doc's on the Homeland security site,, really---> link--> https://hseep.dhs.gov/hseep_vols/alldocs.aspx

A Situation Manual (SitMan) is a participant handbook for discussion-based exercises, particularly TTXs. It provides background information on exercise scope, schedule, and objectives. It also presents the scenario narrative that will drive participant discussions during the exercise.
The Exercise Plan (ExPlan), typically used for operations-based exercises, provides a synopsis of the exercise and is published and distributed to players and observers prior to the start of the exercise. The ExPlan includes the exercise objectives and scope, safety procedures, and logistical considerations such as an exercise schedule. The ExPlan does not contain detailed scenario information.
The Controller and Evaluator (C/E) Handbook supplements the ExPlan for operations-based exercises, containing more detailed information about the exercise scenario and describing exercise controllers' and evaluators' roles and responsibilities. Because the C/E Handbook contains information on the scenario and exercise administration, it is distributed only to those individuals specifically designated as controllers or evaluators.
The Master Scenario Events List (MSEL) is a chronological timeline of expected actions and scripted events (i.e., injects) to be inserted into operations-based exercise play by controllers in order to generate or prompt player activity. It ensures necessary events happen so that all exercise objectives are met.
A Player Handout is a 1-2 page document usually handed out the morning of an exercise which provides a quick reference for exercise players on safety procedures, logistical considerations, exercise schedule, and other key factors and information.

(There is plenty more...)

WHAT happened to this guy? ---> LINK--> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovspEgeMXb4

Yes, I'm STILL wondering about this, WHERE is He NOW?
In CAMO pants & DARK Shirt?, NO Jacket? 22 degree LOW that morning, Forcast of 45...

Say's *I didn't "Do It"*,,,
HOW would HE know? WHAT HAPPENED?

Just for fun Listen & Watch--> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_ODW4JG9y8&feature=player_embedded#!

AND this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL4pREERbcA

WATCH, is that a *Grieving* Parent?...
I talked to My father,,, Whom as a LIFER/Recon/PSY-OP, SPEACIAL FORCES VET, laughed @ ME this morning, said , SON, you get the IDEA, what WE were up against in Viet NAM?
Heart's & Minds (all that jazz), WE; are Here to help?
FOLKS, THINK, beyond the Idiot Box or InterWebs...
WHY? Would *AFFULENT" people living in a "exclusive" town in CT, want a Face-book page asking for "donation(s)?"
ANSWER Me that....
Remember, *War of the Worlds* broadcast over Radio?
Same thing here....
Folks ya'll should be rejoicing, THERE WERE NO KIDS KILLED...
A PSY-OP operation in order to take out the second admendment & the FIRST, (remember, WE ARE NOT "supposed to be spreading "Rumors"?""
BRING the Trumpets & SUNLIGHT ON, says; the Word of the Lord...

A ban on assault weapons is not "banning all guns"
Good grief
Our government is not tyrannical
Our government is not allowing just criminals to get guns

Where do you guys come up with this stuff?
Oh wait, I used to belong to the NRA..........

You have more to fear from the NRA than you do the government (the NRA at least knows how to use a gun)
Take away assault rifles and 30 round clips for them and most gun owners lose absolutely nothing.
Make a crime committed with an assault rifle punishable by death - automatic - no appeal.

Vog

I AGREE. THEY NEED TO BE BANNED. PERIOD.

to your first few points...I'm sure the Germans and Jews felt the same way. I'll keep my ability to defend myself against the government...

A person wanting to do evil will do evil in one way or another. They will fly a plane into a building, drive a car into a crowd, build a bomb, send poisen food to a gathering or shot people. Someone with that much evil in them will hurt others if they have their mind set to it. Even if they have to drown or stangle them. Murders have been happening since Cain and Able and will continue.
Semi-auto's are used for hunting, but assult rifles such as ak-47 and SKS, are guns that should never be in the hands of people other then the military. But like drugs, they will find their ways into the hands of the wrong person until we do something about it and it is time to do something about the assult rifles on the streets.
Parents should be responsible with the firearms they have... if it is yours then it should be locked up until you need it. I am amazed to read.. almost everyday on how children get hold of parents guns and shot thier friends or themselves due to parents stupidity.
The mental ill need proper treatment. Which means doctors need not be scared to treat them. when a person goes in for a visit and ask for help they should not be sent out the door without some Zolof or something in hand; then refer them to a better doctor for followup.
We need better trained teachers in schools to handle children with issues so they can start learning at a young age how to coup with their emotions and have the help they need so as adults they dont flip out and shot up the world.
This is not the answers but some of the battles that we need to fight need to start today, we need a game plan for the future.
Laws only stop the honest people. We need a plan of action for the people who do evil and how to prevent events from being this bad. Things will get worse if we dont act now!

need to study up on EXACTLY why we were given the right to bare arms. IF the military has AR15's...then the people should have those weapons as well. Our right to bare arms was to keep the ability to control the government, by FORCE if necessary!

Using your logic then we should all be issued our own nukes because the military has them.
This is the fallacy with the 2nd amendment
Back then the ONLY weapon they had capable of destroying/killing more than one person was artillery.
No machine guns
No automatics
No nukes
No smart bombs

We have outgrown the 2nd amendment as written.
I'm sure the founding Fathers would have written something FAR different had they had the weapons we have developed.

Vog

Don't think so.
What about the 1st amendment. Should we scrap that one because we now have the internet?

No machine guns....Only Federal Firearms dealers have access to those.
Or individuals with proper licensing and one of the most severe background checks that would incense even the most honest and squeaky clean citizen. It's funny how politicians want their guns, while designing laws to deprive them to us.
No automatics......We don't have those either. Semi-Automatics we do.
No nukes...........Outlandish
No smart bombs.....Rationale please.

The founding fathers wouldn't change a thing except the Justice system, an open door policy that puts monsters back on the street after a slap on the wrist.

When arguments are made about gun control, common sense is the first casualty.
There are more things we can do to keep thieves and criminals, and demented people, and organized gangs from access to weapons.

Let's start there before we trample the rights of law abiding citizens and start scrapping the Constitution.

When we can protect our borders, eliminate drug gangs, and keep our own Government from supplying drug cartels with weapons, let the discussion start. But until then, my 2nd amendment rights are just as important as your 1st amendment rights are.

I agree but you fail to realize a few things:
"When we can protect our borders" - shooter in Connecticut and Tuscon were U.S.citizens - you are erecting a strawman to make your point.

" eliminate drug gangs"- this might possibly reduce violence in general but has nothing to do with Tuscon,Fort hood, Ct

" and keep our own Government from supplying drug cartels with weapons,"
News articles were all over the place with this one. Fox in particular overestimated the amount of weapons involved. The number of weapons in the U.S. far outweighs the amount in that failed government program.
Of course our founding fathers wrote ALL the amendments based upon what they knew then -otherwise they would have abolished slavery then and given women the right to vote then. You see, the constitution is a living document, meant to be changed, and has been and will continue to be.
Again - I'm not calling for abolishing gun rights but here there is no need for anyone to own an assault rifle or 30 round clip. The argument that we need to have as much armament as the military is without merit as our government is not tyrannical and never has been.

Vog

The point is, it is my RIGHT, as a law abiding citizen.
You can't trample my RIGHT, just cause somebody "thinks so".

The argument of Fort Hood, which was a terrorist act, gangs which are domestic terrorism are miles apart from MY Right to bare arms.

The decision who should own what is not anyone's to make. As far as tyranny goes, we will see if the DOD bill, which has been stripped of Americans right to trial by jury, and a trial by peers suspected, suspected of "terrorism", whatever the govt wants that to mean becomes the law or not.
And since " The number of weapons in the U.S. far outweighs the amount in that failed government program." tell that to the Family of The Border Patrol killed by a weapon this Govt allowed to flow to the cartels.

The founding fathers never saw human savages killing an innocent boy to get $10, a phone, and a sandwich.

Shall not be infringed period. Not one inch, ever.

Put police in the schools. There are hundreds of thousands of retired officers willing to volunteer, along with former servicemen and women. Someone was wrong to tell them it was safe in the first place. We all know criminals don't read signs, but the public feels secure, when that is a farce in this day and age.

As far as it being "a living document" America has seen the steady decline when the political winds shift, nothing is wrong, everybody has something they want, and willing to reduce others rights to get it.

I fear by the time Obama, Reid, And Pelosi are done and he gets to replace a Supreme Court Justice or two, the Constitution won't be readable at all, and it won't be fit to wipe an a@@ with.

I want my rights and freedom, all of them, now and forever.
But with those rights comes responsibility.

And finally, David Gregory of "meet the depressed". He may be charged for "possessing an extra high capacity magazine" in the District of Colombia when the capital police denied a request from NBC to do it. Possessing an empty magazine. There is where gun control will wind up.

An empty magazine, and someone pointing a finger.

THE MILITARY IN A WAR SITUATION AND DOMESTIC LIFE, ARE TWO DIFFERENT SITUATIONS. I MAYBE WRONG, BUT I DON;T KNOW OF ANY PLACE IN THE UNITED STATES THAT NEEDS ASSULT AND RAPID FIRE WEAPONS AND MULTI CLIPS OF AMMO. THEY NEED TO BE BANNED. PERIOD. THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS IS OUTDATED. WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN, THERE WERN'T ANY ASSULT RIFLES AND ALL OF THE ADVANCED WEAPONS OF TODAY. AS TO YOUR LAST STATEMENT, I DIDN'T KNOW WE HAD THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS TO CONTROL THE GOVERNMENT BY FORCE. I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS TO PROTECT YOUR FAMILY AND TO HUNT FOE FOOD. BUT THEN, THERES A LOT I DON'T KNOW.ESPECIALLY IN TODAYS WORLD.

Most guns are used recreationally by good law abiding citizens. Thy are for target practice or hunting. Very few people hunt with assault rifles - meaning the vast majority are target shooting.
As a hand gun owner with a concealed carry permit I will say this.
We no longer hunt for food on a mass scale.
The Constitution was written in a different gun technology era, which, the Founding Fathers could not envision.
And we are NOT fighting to free ourselves from a tyrannical government in England.
And our government, being conceived by those SAME Founding Fathers is in fact a more perfect union - is not trying to take away impinge on our rights.
Columbine, Aurora, Virginia Tech, and Connecticut are tragic reminders that guns in the wrong hands leads to death and destruction.
Restricting assault rifle sales does not end the death but as someone who knows - I'd rather face taking a handgun bullet as opposed to an assault rifle.
Assault rifles also don't provide good protection in the home protection scenario - a handgun is much better.
As a gun owner, former serviceman and former NRA member all I can say is ban assault rifles and ammo from being sold to the public - it won't end this type of thing - but if even one person survives the hand gun wound that wouldn't survive the rifle wound so be it - its worth it.
There will never be enough prevention. But two gun enthusiasts, in a home with a person with a diagnosed personality disorder - who was actually allowed to learn how to shoot - shows that the best intentions can lead to tragedy.
Ban assault weapons, and marginalize the NRA as a lobbying firm whichever way we can.

Vog

are correct, at this time we are not fighting to keep ourselves from a tyrannical government. However, the Second was put in place NOT FOR HUNTING, but to protect our freedoms from those who would want to strip them away. The right of the people to rise up and use force to keep a government in check. Assault weapons are in the hands of our military, our government, therefore must be in the hands of those who might someday need to stand up to tyranny. Remember, Hitler was ELECTED...our forefathers put measures in place in our country to ENSURE something like that doesn't happen here. Just look at Syria, Iraq, Iran...do those individuals need assault weapons to fight their governments...don't say it could NEVER happen here. I'll keep my guns to ENSURE it doesn't have a chance!

@Guest7969:

With all due respect I understand what you are saying, but, even if you have a high tech assault weapon do you realistically think you would stand a chance against police power with the same or superior weapons along with body armor, armored vehicles and years of training?

As repugnant as it sounds the Fathers did something for us that no other country has achieved and that is a more perfect union. We have been at peace with our own government for over 200 years with no violent changes needed to keep our government "in check" - we "revolt" in the voting booths.
Using your logic the ordinary public should be armed with 50 Cals, artillery, and nukes because the government and the military have them and we have to ensure they won't use them to keep US in check.
You of course mis-understand that the 2nd was written at a time when tyranny came from outside our borders and from the 1700s until now the military and the government has out gunned the private sector with nary a blip form gun owners saying that they need to have the same weapons as the government to keep the government in check.
Keep trying though

Vog

Only an attorney would think rewriting gun laws should would provide a safer environment overall. It's job safety for the attorney! lol Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth, all teachers should be required to take weapons and self defense training and each should be required to carry a concealed weapon. Here, a little logic: the killer is stealing guns and about to shoot his Mother then random children and he thinks,.... wait, wait. Deb Butler got those gun laws re-written and now maybe I should just be good and.. oh who we are kidding. These are the last days and it's a very violent culture you secular humanist and God-less atheist have pushed for.

in the Book that would work. It reads; thou shalt not kill. It should be re-placed in schools.

No it should not be. I don't want make-believe fairy tales being taught to our children. Teach them to be nice, not because if they aren't they will burn for eternity in hell, but because being kind to each other is the right thing to do. You don't need a 2000 yr old book to teach kids that.

kids aren't learning morals today...

No gun control! Why can't the antis get it thru their heads that no laws are going to stop criminals from obtaining guns. What is needed is more mental health assessment.

Deb Butler, Are you insane? people who will not obey any law will murder you for 10 dollars and a Subway sandwich and you want the law abiding to surrender their right to defend theirselves. Semi automatics are necessary to shoot more than six times and that gives you a better chance.

Yeah, we should ban guns because guns kill people. Only the police officers and people breaking the law should have guns. Other objects like knives and swords and pipes and bricks and cars and alcohol and other drugs never hurt or kill anyone. We should ban guns like we've banned cocaine. You can't buy cocaine anymore. No one knows where to get it. We should ban everything that could hurt people. Sharp corners on desks need to go. Maybe get rid of pencils too, they're sharp and can poke someones eye out. Lets get rid of steel toed boots, because they can cause serious injury, like in that movie American History X. Let's also amputate peoples hands and feet when they are born, it will cut down on crime by a lot. Good day.

Tim McVey killed a lot more than in Connecticut with fertilizer and diesel fuel and neither have been regulated to much of a degree.

Stop a popular myth. I heard this from an elected official today, someone who is SUPPOSED to know about our freedoms. He said "you don't need a thirty round clip to hunt." That comment is a distraction of your freedom and an attempt to minimalize the Second amendment . The second is in place to ENSURE the citizenry the ability to put a tyrannical government in its place. So, the question SHOULD be, would you need a thirty round clip to stand with your fellow patriots against the government....I don't trust government with my freedoms...nor should you!

Where is the proof that controlling guns will lead to a safer society overall? From all of the studies I have read, countries with more gun owners have lower crime rates overall. Look at Mexico, the Mexican government has disarmed its citizens and in many areas they have very high crime rates. Look at cities which implemented stringent gun restrictions like New York and Chicago, do the restrictions make those cities safer overall? Legislating firearms not only infringes upon our rights but is counterproductive.

Instead of looking at the guns being used, which like any dangerous item can be abused, why aren't we looking at the real problem? Was the shooter on any psychotropic drugs? There have been many instances where psychotropics like antidepressants have been known to increase the likelihood of violent acts. Gun control is just the quick and easy band-aid "solution" which convieniently quiets and calms the fears of the masses although offering no real solution. It is an easy way for our government to say that they did something without really doing anything but stripping us of our rights.

People hunt,target practice,and whole competion with semi-autos. This is not the problem. The problem is the moral decay of this country. You take God out of every thing, and then wonder what is going on. Duh.

It doesn't take long for liberals to use a catastrophe for their own gain. Attorney Butler should know there was no "wild west" when the country was founded. When the Constitution was written the 2nd amendment was included. Also with a little checking she would find out these catastrophes occur in areas where decent people cannot legally carry. Gunmen fear areas where they might have to face retaliation.

Remember Timothy McVeigh? How about John Wayne Gacy, Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, The BTK, Eric Rudolph, etc....they didn't needs guns. Rope, knives, fertilizer/gasoline and a box truck, the list goes on people. I am a gun advocate, yes I admit, and I do think there needs to be stricter laws, especially when it is relating to mental illness. Banning guns will do nothing? Did making marijuana, cocaine, or meth illegal change anything? No....just glorified it by making TV Shows like "Intervention". Remember Google people...you can Google on how to make a bomb out of anything....and you can Google on how to turn a semi-automatic weapon into a fully automatic weapon. Remember the definition of semi-automatic....only as fast as you pull the trigger. This isn't a problem with any inanimate object...it is a problem with society, it is a problem with communication, and it is a problem with parenting. Until we fix those things...nothing will change.