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As the healthcare reform debate continues across the country, nearly one-hundred people gathered in Wilmington Saturday to raise public awareness. Kay Zwan said every American should be able to get access to healthcare. She claims the American dream will be denied if the country does not reform the healthcare system. The group is targeting Blue Dog Democrats in Congress, including Congressman Mike McIntyre. The group is afraid the private insurance industry will destroy the house health care bill will loopholes. “We will not settle for anything else. So Congressman McIntyre, I hope you hear us now and Senator Kay Hagan we need you to vote on the side of the people and not the insurance industry,” said Zwan. The group walked from DC Virgo Middle School to the Martin Luther King Jr. Center on Eighth Street, all in the name of affordable healthcare for everyone.

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not fortunate

Maybe your friend should improve her job skills and education so she does not have to do clerical work for 10$/hr. Also she needs to exercise and lose some weight and strive to become a more healthier person. self responsibility people, keep relying on the government to "fix" everything and you will have less then you already do.

Oh, yes, personal

Oh, yes, personal responsibility. Sorry, but unless you are in the individual market yourself or you own a small business, you really don't have the right to tell anyone to take personal responsibility. Those that work for big business or the government receive heavy subsidies from the taxpayers of the community. They also receive protections, such as having to take people with pre-existing conditions. The small business owners and tax payers are subsidizing all of that. So, please, spare the preaching. This just goes to show how crazy our mentality has gotten. "Just don't get sick or have any pre-existing conditions!!!" or "Make better decisions, go work for the government or some big corpo." What? People that want to have health insurance and that are paying their taxes should have an option to purchase it. Do you seriously think you gain when people DON'T have insurance? They just continue to get sicker and ultimately end up in the ER where we pick up that expensive tab! That is crazy. Let's take this overweight person. If they had access to affordable insurance individually, like the big pools do, she would be taking charge of her health, and serious issues that could arise later can be thwarted. She could end a track to diabetes, or high blood pressure, or heart complications. Sorry, but as a small business owner that is one of the ones picking up the slack, I do not want to pay for care in the ER, I'd rather her have an option to pay for it herself and thwart issues coming down the pike. It's about spending wisely and creating an environment that KEEPS these things from happening, not simply ignoring them. Those problems will come back to haunt, make no mistake about that.

But you choose to pay for

But you choose to pay for your employees' healthcare to hold on to the best employees. If you suddenly tell an employee "you are going to have to fund your own healthcare since its affordable now", any smart person would start looking another job. I did. You will lose your good employees in the long run, which ultimately affects your profit. Why would I stay with you when another company is paying me the same amount but is providing me with health insurance. I wouldn't. Only a person uncapable of looking for another job would. It almost sounds to me like you are trying to find a way to keep from paying for your employees' healthcare and if that's the case, you are part of this countries' central underlying problem: greed. Competitiveness in everything is what will carry this country into the next century, not handouts, laziness, and a willingness to settle.

Sorry, you don't seem to

Sorry, you don't seem to understand. We need an affordable option, just as big business has. I am wanting to provide my employees with health care. What you have failed to explain is why I should be subsidizing my competition's employee benefits, while I cannot tap into the same pool to PAY for my own employees. Do you work for government? Big business? Seems you are the one asking for me to help pay your benefits, yet are upset that I have my employees' insurance interests at heart. The fact is, you ARE getting subsidized care ON THE BACKS of small business and taxpayers. All I am asking is to have the same rates and protections I am subsidizing you to have. Is that clear? No one is talking about having someone else pay employee health insurance, OH, except big business and government workers. And that sounds ok to you?

"Oh, yes, personal

"Oh, yes, personal responsibility. Sorry, but unless you are in the individual market yourself or you own a small business, you really don't have the right to tell anyone to take personal responsibility." Sure I can, why do you think this country is in the toilet now? Everyone wants something for nothing. And if she was not overweight her premiums would be lower. Hmm spend less on food and lose weight = lower premiums and extra money to buy health insurance. "People that want to have health insurance and that are paying their taxes should have an option to purchase it." Everyone has an option and opportunity to purchase health care, whether you can afford it or not....thats YOUR problem. It is not a right to have health care. I have enough stolen from my paycheck weekly to pay for all the other wasteful spending the government does. If they had access to affordable insurance individually, like the big pools do, she would be taking charge of her health, and serious issues that could arise later can be thwarted. She could end a track to diabetes, or high blood pressure, or heart complications. So for them to lose weight they need health insurance. gimmie a break.

"Sure I can, why do you

"Sure I can, why do you think this country is in the toilet now? Everyone wants something for nothing. And if she was not overweight her premiums would be lower. Hmm spend less on food and lose weight = lower premiums and extra money to buy health insurance." Let me guess, you are a government worker. Sorry, but you are asking me to prop up your care. If you work for a big business, you are also asking me to prop up your care. Either subsidies for everyone or none at all. You don't deserve it anymore than any other tax payer. "Everyone has an option and opportunity to purchase health care, whether you can afford it or not....thats YOUR problem. It is not a right to have health care. I have enough stolen from my paycheck weekly to pay for all the other wasteful spending the government does." This is what makes me think you are a government worker. That is simply not the case. If you have pre-existing conditions, you can't get it, even if you could afford it in some cases, and in others, they won't cover the condition. the only buffer is if you work for big business or are a government worker. Those are both heavily subsidized by MY tax dollars. Since I am one of the ones that TRULY pays my way, I want a solution that is more economically sound. As far as I am concerned, those that are receiving heavy subsidies like yourself have really no ground to stand on, go out and really live in the free, individual market and then let me know what you think. As it is right now, you are simply draining tax money from small business owners and people that can't get health care now. "So for them to lose weight they need health insurance. gimmie a break." Caring for one's health INCLUDES health care. I feel like I am in the twilight zone sometimes. What do you think medical care is for, emergencies only? It is about prevention and maintenance. It costs people like me, not you so much as your care is subsidized by tax money, a lot more to deal with problems later on than catching things early and correcting it. Saying health insurance should only be for the healthy makes about as much sense as others telling people to take "responsibility" and work for the government for the bennies.

It SHOULD be for emergencies only

Let insurers sell plans that only cover major injuries and illnesses, and the cost of health insurance will plummet. Make people pay for their own "routine maintenance and minor repairs." We can also drive costs down by throwing people OUT of ERs when they show up with minor ailments. A third option is to initiate tort reform to eliminate windfall, lottery-like lawsuits because a doctor made a mistake. The entire issue of healthcare and its associated costs is being driven by an underlying flawed logic, that everyone DESERVES unlimited medical care on demand. We DESERVE nothing. We are entitled only to what we can pay for with what we EARN.

These aren't solutions: "Let

These aren't solutions: "Let insurers sell plans that only cover major injuries and illnesses, and the cost of health insurance will plummet. Make people pay for their own 'routine maintenance and minor repairs.'" How are you defining major injuries and illnesses? And why would you want to take away an option for people to purchase full coverage health care? I don't even understand how you think this would work. Is a broken leg "major" or "minor?" Is a cat scan to see if one has a benign tumor "major or minor? I think your solution would make things worse, IMO, can you imagine the crazy exclusions and insane cost? "We can also drive costs down by throwing people OUT of ERs when they show up with minor ailments." Sorry, can't do that in public hospitals, they are paid for by the taxpayers of the community, state and federal. It is also against the law to turn people away until they are stabilized, which means running tests. "A third option is to initiate tort reform to eliminate windfall, lottery-like lawsuits because a doctor made a mistake." Well, now you're suggesting having a non profit system. In a capitalist system, you have to have safeguards against mistakes. If doctors make mistakes, they have to pay for them and if they are negligent, then they have to pay more. The reason for that is simple. If a doc rushes and is negligent, yet has to pay a simple fine, the doctor will not be more mindful. There would be no incentive to do so. The fact is, tort reform would not really do very much to thwart costs. Most people do not sue, even when mistakes are made: "In a speech in Little Rock, Arkansas on Jan. 26 the President said, “One of the major cost drivers in the delivery of health care are these junk and frivolous lawsuits.” He said rising malpractice insurance premiums and needless medical procedures ordered up out of fear of lawsuits cost federal taxpayers “at least” $28 billion a year in added costs to government medical programs. Bush’s Department of Health and Human Services claims total savings – public and private – of as much as $108 billion a year. Those claims rest mainly on a single 1996 study by two Stanford economists who said caps on damage awards could hold down overall medical costs by 5% to 9%. They studied heart patients who were hospitalized, compared costs in states with and without limits on malpractice lawsuits, and then projected their findings to the entire health-care system. But both the GAO and the CBO now question their sweeping conclusion. When the CBO attempted to duplicate the Stanford economists’ methods for other types of ailments they found found “no evidence that restrictions on tort liability reduce medical spending.” “In short, the evidence available to date does not make a strong case that restricting malpractice liability would have a significant effect, either positive or negative, on economic efficiency, ” the CBO said." http://www.factcheck.org/president_uses_dubious_statistics_on_costs_of.h... "The entire issue of healthcare and its associated costs is being driven by an underlying flawed logic, that everyone DESERVES unlimited medical care on demand. We DESERVE nothing. We are entitled only to what we can pay for with what we EARN." I have yet to hear any argument like that. I do wonder why I should be subsidizing your health insurance, while I am locked out of the same pools, rates and protections I pay for you to have. Perhaps you can explain that to me.

I'm with You

and you will find, as Commonsense and I have found that there are those who exist and live off the sweat and labor of the working class and small businessowners. It's one thing if someone is disabled or mentally incapacitated and requires assistance. But we have a whole society who are content with Section 8 Housing, Food Stamps, Free Cell Phones, Medicaid, Free Presecriptions and whatever other "entitlements" Raleigh and Washington are willing to dole out. No wonder they vote Democratic. I wonder how the dictonary would define someone who sucks resources from society and contributes nothing back? Again, I exempt those who are truly phsically or mentally unable to work. I just looked it up -- Leach

Very true

While we keep paying the lazy to stay at home, what is their incentive to go get a job? Where is the incentive to get an education so you can maybe form a sentence? There isn't any as long as the "free" tab is available. It is almost as good as getting a bank loan you don't have to pay back. Oh wait, the obuma crowd already got that when they cried they couldn't make their A.R.M. house payments.

Here's your explanation

Life's not fair. Live with it. I have great health insurance, you don't. Too bad. The government is not here to level the playing field and try to make our financial lives identical. I find your view that we can't change any current law regarding emergency room access or tort liability laughable. The only solution is to creat some massive new mega-bureaucracy and endanger the system that now works for 5 out of 6 Americans, right? Smallbusinessowner? You sound more like Smallsocialist....but thankfully, people are on to you. We're not going to see the best healthcare system in the world be destroyed simply to give more power and control to an already bloated government that can't pay for its existing give-aways.

"Life's not fair. Live with

"Life's not fair. Live with it. I have great health insurance, you don't. Too bad. The government is not here to level the playing field and try to make our financial lives identical." As long as I am subsidizing you and people like you, I absolutely do have a right to fight for you to have to pick up your own tab, or to fight for a way to make this economically sound. It isn't right now. You may not be aware of that because you are highly subsidized, but the people picking up the tab know that this is unsustainable. Look, I understand you wanting to keep having others subsidize your care, it's a good deal for you, but let me be the first to tell you, it simply can't last for too much longer, the costs are rising too quickly. Unless, of course, you work for the government. If that's the case, your hypocrisy is noted. "I find your view that we can't change any current law regarding emergency room access or tort liability laughable. The only solution is to creat some massive new mega-bureaucracy and endanger the system that now works for 5 out of 6 Americans, right?" Laughable that we can't kick taxpayers that are paying for the ER OUT of the ER? You really need to get over your entitlement issues. You are soaking up heavy subsidies right now, I think a better solution would be for you to drop your tax subsidized care, if you are so opposed, and go out in the individual market. But, you aren't interested in that, are you? No, you are fine soaking up tax subsidies for yourself. "Smallbusinessowner? You sound more like Smallsocialist....but thankfully, people are on to you. We're not going to see the best healthcare system in the world be destroyed simply to give more power and control to an already bloated government that can't pay for its existing give-aways." Now that is FUNNY. The irony cannot be lost on the fact that a person with tax subsidized care is lecturing a person that is fully in the free market. And calling them socialist, at that! You're the one that wants the taxpayer to pick up most of your insurance tab and stand in the way of more viable, economically secure solutions. No, you want us to keep paying and paying and paying, no matter how damaging it is to small businesses in your community. I think you wear that badge more proudly that I ever could.

Then why am I being forced

Then why am I being forced to pay for government employees' health insurance? Hagan and McIntyre are more than happy to have me subsidize their families, yet they are unwilling to give others the opportunity to CHOOSE TO PAY for a government plan if they want to do so. Why should I have to subsidize big business so they can provide care, yet small businesses are exempt from the same kind of pools and protections they receive?

pay vs. benefits

MOST state and other gov't employees don't get paid high salaries and therefore depend on the benefits such as health insurance. It's a trade-off for the higher salaries we would earn if we were in the private sector.

Most people in the private

Most people in the private sector don't get paid high salaries either, but they haven't been entitled to insurance. The security of a government job and the guaranteed pay increases and pension plans after 25 years is excellent compensation. Insurance costs are rising 3 times faster than wage increases, which means those government jobs offer a lot more than they used to. I have no problem with people working for the government, but I certainly do not believe that they have any right to tell those of us generating the revenue for those benefits that we must remain locked out of an opportunity to tab into a government pool and pay for the benefits and protections we subsidize others to receive. I certainly hope you can appreciate that.

You seem to focus on

You seem to focus on government health care being paid for off your back, yet you have yet to complain about the entire generations of people that we are paying for daily. In most cases we are not just paying for health care, but are paying for everything from phones and housing to childcare and transportation. There are so many other areas of wastefull spending to attack first before we take away a benefit for people who are actually working hard and in turn putting money back into the community. Another concern you might address is the fact that the way Obumma is going we will all be working for the government soon.

As usual the working man

As usual the working man will be screwed.